Copyright Alert System

[curlycool89]

The music industry is a shadow of its former self because it is so hard to maintain product to sell, and the same with movies, with books now becoming the third leg. It is all immoral and unfair to the artists and companies who produce the stuff.

Why is it that I, the person who lives in what’s affectionately called Soviet Canuckistan, always have to point these things out?

It’s called capitalism. Sometimes industries die. It’s called voting with your dollars. If your music sucks, then I won’t buy it; a name is no longer enough to sell stuff, it actually has to be good. Artists don’t deserve money just because they’re an artist, they have to do work too.

Nobody gets angry that we don’t have horse-drawn taxi’s anymore (although I’m sure the industry cried foul when automobiles became ubiquitous) because cars are better.

It used to be people would buy an entire album or cd, and after they listen to all the tracks, they might two or three hidden gems that they would not know about if they just bought the one song from Itunes. It is destroying creativity and it is picking the pockets of the artists.

Again, it’s called capitalism. Seriously, I’m not the only capitalist on this forum, right?

It just means they have to work harder and that money is not guaranteed anymore. I fail to see why that’s a bad thing.

Seriously? If I want to play my DVD on different DVD players, do I need to buy a new DVD for each player?

Been there, done that. New DVDs stopped playing on an older DVD player so we had to get a new one. That is actually unjust and unfair, and I could make a good RICO case if I really tried.

 

[irishpatrick]

Why is it that I, the person who lives in what’s affectionately called Soviet Canuckistan, always have to point these things out?

It’s called capitalism. Sometimes industries die. It’s called voting with your dollars. If your music sucks, then I won’t buy it; a name is no longer enough to sell stuff, it actually has to be good. Artists don’t deserve money just because they’re an artist, they have to do work too.

Nobody gets angry that we don’t have horse-drawn taxi’s anymore (although I’m sure the industry cried foul when automobiles became ubiquitous) because cars are better.

Again, it’s called capitalism. Seriously, I’m not the only capitalist on this forum, right?

It just means they have to work harder and that money is not guaranteed anymore. I fail to see why that’s a bad thing.

Been there, done that. New DVDs stopped playing on an older DVD player so we had to get a new one. That is actually unjust and unfair, and I could make a good RICO case if I really tried.

Please, cease with the snarkiness…no reason for any of that.

I am all for capitalism. I believe you are not understanding my point. I have no problem with technology, and it is NOT technology like the internet that has done so much damage–it is the inability to make profits in the face of so much creative property theft that has caused all the damage.

Example: BlockBuster did not respond in time to meet the challenge made by NetFlix, so BlockBuster is slowly passing into history–that is capitalism at work and I have no issue with that, at all.

However,

Music, movie, and books sales are all down, and a significant reason for that is the near immediate free sharing of copyrighted product that people should be paying for, and yet they are not paying anything. There is no weak argument for saying that the creative process itself has been damaged because all anyone cares about now is getting their product out their for a very quick dollar (because people will take it for free so quickly), which in turns damages the quality of the product (vicious circle).

Like all things, the internet and technology offers a lot of good benefits, yet there is always the other side, and in the case of creative work, the downside is lost revenues due to people taking things for free.

 

[sedonaman]

… New DVDs stopped playing on an older DVD player so we had to get a new one. …

Sounds like the inverse of having to buy a different DVD for each player.

 

[sedonaman]

Seriously? If I want to play my DVD on different DVD players, do I need to buy a new DVD for each player?

I think that’s the way it was back in the days of vinyl. Never saw anyone do it, though. I’m fairly sure you have to buy a different software disc if you want to run a program on more than one computer.

 

[kelvinf]

Please, cease with the snarkiness…no reason for any of that.

I am all for capitalism. I believe you are not understanding my point. I have no problem with technology, and it is NOT technology like the internet that has done so much damage–it is the inability to make profits in the face of so much creative property theft that has caused all the damage.

Example: BlockBuster did not respond in time to meet the challenge made by NetFlix, so BlockBuster is slowly passing into history–that is capitalism at work and I have no issue with that, at all.

However,

Music, movie, and books sales are all down, and a significant reason for that is the near immediate free sharing of copyrighted product that people should be paying for, and yet they are not paying anything. There is no weak argument for saying that the creative process itself has been damaged because all anyone cares about now is getting their product out their for a very quick dollar (because people will take it for free so quickly), which in turns damages the quality of the product (vicious circle).

Like all things, the internet and technology offers a lot of good benefits, yet there is always the other side, and in the case of creative work, the downside is lost revenues due to people taking things for free.

There a lots of sites (and ways) people can listen to music, watch TV shows online,… without doing anything illegal. It’s all thanks to internet technology.

 

[irishpatrick]

There a lots of sites (and ways) people can listen to music, watch TV shows online,… without doing anything illegal. It’s all thanks to internet technology.

Of course, I have used some myself, and I take no issue with any of that. My issue is with the taking pay-for-products without actually paying.

 

[kelvinf]

I’m fairly sure you have to buy a different software disc if you want to run a program on more than one computer.

Nopes. Again, I wonder whether people still buy software in form of discs. I think you would usually get a link where you can download the stuff (legally).

At least software folks are smarter enough and try to use technology to ensure the kind of restrictions they want. E.g limiting the number of computers the SW could be installed on. However, technology is for everyone and there are always work arounds without doing anything illegal. A company could pay for a single copy, install it on a central computer where all the workers remotely have access to…Or maybe there are laws that disallow this. But that would still be fighting against tech.

Oh, with the birth of cloud computing, the dynamics completely change. Again, you guys can only blame technology.

 

[irishpatrick]

Nopes. Again, I wonder whether people still buy software in form of discs. I think you would usually get a link where you can download the stuff (legally).

At least software folks are smarter enough and try to use technology to ensure the kind of restrictions they want. E.g limiting the number of computers the SW could be installed on. However, technology is for everyone and there are always work arounds without doing anything illegal. A company could pay for a single copy, install it on a central computer where all the workers remotely have access to…Or maybe there are laws that disallow this. But that would still be fighting against tech.

Oh, with the birth of cloud computing, the dynamics completely change. Again, you guys can only blame technology.

It is not about technology–it is about theft.

 

[kelvinf]

Of course, I have used some myself, and I take no issue with any of that. My issue is with the taking pay-for-products without actually paying.

But they are still pay-for-products. What difference does it make if I watch a TV show on TV or if I watch it online or if I download it? Same thing: consumption without pay; which seems to be some people’s problem.

 

[kelvinf]

It is not about technology–it is about theft.

Really? So remote access is now theft? Same as making a folder on your computer accessible over a network?

For instance, if someone does not have MS Office at home, so it would be stealing to remotely access his computer at work with the product on it? Is there a law against this practice?

So what the heck with the word “stealing”?

 

[irishpatrick]

But they are still pay-for-products. What difference does it make if I watch a TV show on TV or if I watch it online or if I download it? Same thing: consumption without pay; which seems to be some people’s problem.

It is simple. If a copyright owner decides to give their product away, that is their choice. However, a great many copyrighted products are distributed free of charge despite the owner actively charging a purchase, rental, or download fee.

 

[irishpatrick]

Really? So remote access is now theft? Same as making a folder on your computer accessible over a network?

Please, stop trying to make this about technology. I will say this again, this has nothing to do with technology–it has to do with people downloading “stuff” and copying “stuff” that actually should be paid for.

No one would walk into a store and just take a cd or dvd without paying. Yet, people in large numbers have no problem taking copyrighted products on the internet without paying a penny.

How is it moral or fair to take creative products without giving any payment?

 

[Cristiano]

Nopes. Again, I wonder whether people still buy software in form of discs. I think you would usually get a link where you can download the stuff (legally)…

When you spend $1,000s on a piece of software you want to get the original CD’s too.

 

[kelvinf]

Please, stop trying to make this about technology. I will say this again, this has nothing to do with technology–it has to do with people downloading “stuff” and copying “stuff” that actually should be paid for.

Because you think that people only copy and download stuff. Today, it’s not so necessary. Why do I need to waste my time copying or downloading things I could access via other means?

The problem still remains. Too much access to unpaid for products.

 

[kelvinf]

When you spend $1,000s on a piece of software you want to get the original CD’s too.

Well, I wouldn’t deny that some people still like hardcopies. For some of us, CDs are histoire

 

[irishpatrick]

Because you think that people only copy and download stuff. Today, it’s not so necessary. Why do I need to waste my time copying or downloading things I could access via other means?

The problem still remains. Too much access to unpaid for products.

I understand this all too well, and think we are going down different paths.

My point is simple: creative work should be protected from theft. Period.

 

[Cristiano]

Well, I wouldn’t deny that some people still like hardcopies. For some of us, CDs are histoire

I assume that you do not work for a company that holds you accountable when you purchase and maintain software that is $1000’s a piece, legal liabilities and vendor accountability are a big thing when it comes to “for profit” organizations. Getting a set of CD’s can be as important as getting a payment invoice.

 

[kelvinf]

Please, stop trying to make this about technology. I will say this again, this has nothing to do with technology–it has to do with people downloading “stuff” and copying “stuff” that actually should be paid for.

No one would walk into a store and just take a cd or dvd without paying. Yet, people in large numbers have no problem taking copyrighted products on the internet without paying a penny.

How is it moral or fair to take creative products without giving any payment?

How is it moral or fair to watch TV shows on Hulu (even outside N. America) while folks pay for the stuff on Netflix?

Man, I am tired of this discussion. We simply differ in opinion and nothing would change.

We have been seeing how strong the pirate parties have been emerging in Europe especially in Germany–they have been gaining seats in all local elections and are now also in the parliament. This is simply to show that people are fed up with how far some people can go as concerns copyrights and patent rights. The rights and freedom of citizens are worth more than intellectual property rights. No new IP right that violates or restricts the rights of man would ever be passed in this information era. Period. We have all been witnessing this new trend.

 

[irishpatrick]

How is it moral or fair to watch TV shows on Hulu (even outside N. America) while folks pay for the stuff on Netflix?

Man, I am tired of this discussion. We simply differ in opinion and nothing would change.

We have been seeing how strong the pirate parties have been emerging in Europe especially in Germany–they have been gaining seats in all local elections and are now also in the parliament. This is simply to show that people are fed up with how far some people can go as concerns copyrights and patent rights. The rights and freedom of citizens are worth more than intellectual property rights. No new IP right that violates or restricts the rights of man would ever be passed in this information era. Period. We have all been witnessing this new trend.

It is NOT moral or fair to not pay for something that properly comes with a fee. People who use the internet sites to gain free access to things they should pay for, are acting immorally–THAT is my point.

The rights and freedoms of citizens ALSO include the ability to charge for the work they do, to get paid for labor done with the intention of charging for the products made.

 

[kelvinf]

I assume that you do not work for a company that holds you accountable when you purchase and maintain software that is $1000’s a piece, legal liabilities and vendor accountability are a big thing when it comes to “for profit” organizations. Getting a set of CD’s can be as important as getting a payment invoice.

I have worked in a company where they paid for Adobe products each worth about € 7.000. Never have these products come in disc formats. What’s a disc got to do with accountability…