Corona virus numbers 5/5/2020

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I don’t want to trivialize the fact that wealth is being lost. But lots of rich people are incredibly anxious about the poor when their assets dry up.
 
Jeanne_S said:
There is real suffering and distress by those who are struggling to make ends meet,feed their families keep a roof over their heads.
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That’s why we have an inbuilt ‘pull together’ affect in times of crisis. That’s what it’s actually called by sociology. It’s been proven that during and after disasters for humanity, the suicide rate drops and community becomes very supportive of each other. Perhaps God and nature meant disasters to reorient humanity that’s become selfish? Who knows. It’s pretty universal that prosperity doesn’t just pertain to financial wealth, but also to social health.
 
You raise a valid concern no doubt. But so does a mother who is raped via incest, and doesn’t want the baby.
 
Too bad we don’t keep count of presumptive cases too (given that we don’t have broad testing available).
 
You continue to insult the plight of most Americans why pivoting to the rich, as though anyone on this board qualifies for that moniker. Good job.
 
Insult nothing. I get hardship. It is just I get death more. With every indication that after we loose people , we won’t stay open and they will have died out of another person’s financial desperation.
That scenario is better than even money.
 
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Too bad we don’t keep count of presumptive cases too (given that we don’t have broad testing available).
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More’s the pity. Is is shameful to this nation that we have are not having random testing to estimate this rate. It is critical data that we are not wanting to gather. I do not envy our leaders, but gee whiz, you would think they would want the data needed to make more informed decisions.

For example, I would allow some non-essential businesses to open, with proper precautions, and on the condition of universal testing of all, sick or not, at random, to get this critical data.
 
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Why?
I see this as a larger version of the Mayor of Amity pushing the bathers to swim.
Those businesses had to open you see.
The kid is eaten, the sneaker leg floats to the bottom, and the stores are closed 24 hours later. The Mayor killed those people needlessly putting money ahead of people.
It’s pretty simple. Like the mayor, you think it worth trying.
You think? They just added 70k deaths.
 
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Maximus1 said:
I don’t want to trivialize the fact that wealth is being lost. But lots of rich people are incredibly anxious about the poor when their assets dry up.
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Yes and there’s the pragmatic as well in that those blessed with financial means can’t ignore the fact that they thrive due to the common wealth of society. Without an authentic appreciation of the ‘common good’, wealth can seem like a sign of superiority or special entitlement.
 
All true, but I think you are speaking a statistically select few. Your tone speaks to that select few, but is out of touch with the majority of cases which face severe hardship and desperation. It is the same trite line about people’s main concern about the economy being the stock market tanking. That is so far from the reality for most people as to not even be worth discussing. I can assure you none of the federal contractors I employ or the tens of thousands nationwide who have in many cases been out of work for 6 weeks with no income during that time care little for the stock market. They just hope by some miracle they can make their mortgage payment.
 
You keep telling me your tale of hardship. And I have not made light of it, simply because I place life higher. These are difficult issues. My biggest issue is failure and unnecessary death.
If it fails, mortgages being due 30 days later can’t justify dead people
 
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And yet you have no guarantee of anything. Tell me, what is the mathematical formula that ties number of jobs lost to lives saved? That would help. If you cannot, you are just willing to go above and beyond on the off-chance it may save lives, and let others pay the price for that possibility. The Church doesn’t ask that. If they did we’d agree to shutdown all business for ever and mandate permanent home lock downs, because theoretically, that would save even more people from ever catching anything. If what you say is true (it isn’t), why are we ever coming out of lock down? We could keep saving a life here and there, right?
 
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All true, but I think you are speaking a statistically select few. Your tone speaks to that select few, but is out of touch with the majority of cases which face severe hardship and desperation. It is the same trite line about people’s main concern about the economy being the stock market tanking. That is so far from the reality for most people as to not even be worth discussing. I can assure you none of the federal contractors I employ or the tens of thousands nationwide who have in many cases been out of work for 6 weeks with no income during that time care little for the stock market. They just hope by some miracle they can make their mortgage payment.
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There’s an aspect here that perhaps also needs to be articulated associated with the unconditionally prolife position and that’s faith that God is here in the midst of this situation also. Through the Holy Spirit He will answer all those who ask His help in faith. It’s at the heart of our faith to view situations through faith, hope and love and trust in Gods providence.

I’m not saying that from having lived an undisturbed, privileged existence, but having endured a terrible loss in the past. Sometimes there’s only two approaches to choose from. Sell our soul to save ourself or keep the faith and trust in the Holy Spirit.

That’s the fundamental motivation behind my position here.
 
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Don’t write nutty things.
I listened to Fauci and Trump has decided to no longer follow him.
He believes we are premature. And we are looking at a potential large set back.
If he is right, it is square 1.
You are willing to risk that. I get it.
It isn’t ," why are we coming out of lockdown," it is , is it time to.
 
Having a lockdown is not proving useful if the time is not used to prepare to come out. I think the better question is whether we have prioritized what was needed during this time so we can safely come out now, lest we become the McClellan of medicine.

I have to say that the whole flattening of the curve struck me as missing an important point. Remember that this lockdown was not going to lessen the spread of COVID, but slow it down and spread it out over time so it did not overwhelm our medical capabilities. I always thought that was shortsighted. The better question would have been how to double, or triple, or medical capability in the two months we were locked down.

We flattened out that curve, but the numbers were still extremely high. Now we will open with a bump up in the disease. I can’t help but think that the focus on the lockdown was excessive, in that it overshadowed the need to focus on the time after the lockdown, which all knew had to eventually happen.
 
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Jeanne_S said:
Your analogy falls flat simply because this virus is deadly to the heart and souls of those whose livilihood has been pulled out from beneath them. There is real suffering and distress by those who are struggling to make ends meet,feed their families keep a roof over their heads. Eventually all those bills will need to be paid,it’s a real catch 22.
We aren’t preventing death by isolating ,just postponing it.None of us wants to lose a loved one ,none of us.Its scary as all get out.Yet what’s happening to our economy and the resultant despair is just as scary.
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Well said @Jeanne_S
 
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Jeanne_S:
We aren’t preventing death by isolating ,just postponing it.None of us wants to lose a loved one ,none of us.Its scary as all get out.Yet what’s happening to our economy and the resultant despair is just as scary.
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I can tell you, we aren’t pointlessly waiting it out. We are waiting for a vaccine or cure which will inevitably come.
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Are you saying we should isolate until we have a cure or vaccine?

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