Could Mary be getting a new title this year? [CNA]

[Della]

This is a vary bad idea and a huge mistake. Even JP2 did not go here. There has been “abuse” of devotions to Mary in the past and that could easily happen again if this “co” title is defined.

There’s really no way to predict such an abuse. As I understand it, the commissions that looked into this issue advised against it, not because of potential devotional abuse, but because it’s a confusing title and it’s not necessary for defending an aspect of Christ’s life/teachings. I happen to agree with that assessment, but it’s not up to me to decide.

It could be the Pope is doing this to appeal to women who see the Church as deficient because of the current teaching on the all-male priesthood. That problem could start to be addressed by the coming discussion of female deacon during the 2018 Synod.

Either way this would be wrong.

I don’t think so because the women who want to be admitted to the priesthood don’t look to Mary as a model. They see Mary as submissive. She never asked for any leadership position. Not what they want to image. Indeed, I’ve read articles written by women priest advocates that consider Mary a tool the Church uses “to keep women in their place.” I’m not sure the “co” title would make them any happier.

I won’t go into the deaconess question here–don’t want to take thread off topic. If you want to talk about that issue, you might like to start another thread.

 

[TCEL]

I don’t think so because the women who want to be admitted to the priesthood don’t look to Mary as a model. They see Mary as submissive. She never asked for any leadership position. Not what they want to image. Indeed, I’ve read articles written by women priest advocates that consider Mary a tool the Church uses “to keep women in their place.” I’m not sure the “co” title would make them any happier.

Exactly, though I don’t understand how they could miss such a basic point about Christianity, that God humbled himself to take on our human nature, and was obedient to Joseph and Mary. Talk about the humility of obedience.

 

[Richca]

Richca;14436493:

Interesting you brought this up. I was wondering if there had been some kind of apparition tied with this title. It makes me think of St. Bernadette and Our Lady of Lourdes, regarding the title Immaculate Conception.

Yes, Our Lady’s appearance to St Bernadette confirmed the dogma of the Immaculate Conception given by Pope Pius IX in 1854. Even before this though, Our Blessed Mother appeared to St Catherine Laboure in 1830 from which we have the miraculous medal upon which are inscribed the words “O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.”

 

[JPUSC]

sorry. Some people just chase Marian apparitions like Trump chases women

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I nominate this as the best line I’ve seen here.

 

[TCEL]

:clapping::clapping::clapping:



I nominate this as the best line I’ve seen here.

No, it’s pretty disgusting and snarky. We’re talking about Christ’s mother.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

The fact remains that people can speak of Mary’s “co-” operation with the Plan of Salvation all they want, but “co-” has come to mean “equal,” as in co-chairmen, co-presidents, co-captains on a football team. Such a title as co-redemptrix will be understood by many if not most, within and outside of the Church, as making Mary equal to Christ, and fevered, earnest explanations by apologists will do nothing to change that. It should be about Mary’s Son, not Mary’s titles.

This ^. Most Catholics (including me) struggle to understand and explain Our Lady’s existing titles. Please no more.

Can we focus on explaining the fundamentals better i.e. improve RCIA content.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

No, it’s pretty disgusting and snarky. We’re talking about Christ’s mother.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Why do we have to make fun of Marian apparition chasers?

Or Trump? I do not even like him, but honestly, all this anti whatever is getting exasperating.

Our Lady and those who loved her were made fun of at Lourdes, Fatima and other apparition sites. In some cases they endured the ridicule for years until Rome confirmed the sightings. Many of the Saints were also made fun of BY OTHER CATHOLICS who couldn’t discipline their tongues.

Even though I choose to wait until Rome has made confirmation of marian visions, I don’t dare make fun of people who believe she is appearing.

I’m not going to be caught dead (excuse the pun) explaining to our Lord why I made fun of those who loved his mother and believed without question.:bigyikes:

 

[James248]

No, it’s pretty disgusting and snarky. We’re talking about Christ’s mother.

He says truth, The people backing this dogma are chasing the wrong thing.

 

[TCEL]

He says truth, The people backing this dogma are chasing the wrong thing.

So what if they are? Even if it’s wrongheaded, there’s no comparison between chasing apparitions and sexually chasing after women. It’s distasteful, especially if one, the chased apparition was true, and two, this ever would be proclaimed dogma. I’m ambivalent, but I see the logic. What I am surprised by is the level of resistance from Catholics. But that’s besides the point. I’m not walking back what I said. Some things are still sacred.

 

[James248]

So what if they are? Even if it’s wrongheaded, there’s no comparison between chasing apparitions and sexually chasing after women. It’s distasteful, especially if one, the chased apparition was true, and two, this ever would be proclaimed dogma. I’m ambivalent, but I see the logic. What I am surprised by is the level of resistance from Catholics. But that’s besides the point. I’m not walking back what I said. Some things are still sacred.

You’re surprised? Didn’t God compare Israel’s infidelity to a wife who chased men?