Could Muhammad of been a prophet?

[pwlj_christ87]

after researching the topic for a lengthy 2 days… i have come to the firm conclusion that muhammad was NOT a prophet of god, therefor a prophet, but a false prophet … for a number of reasons…

1. in deutoronomy, there is a test that must be applied to whomever claims to be a prophet, that he must perform signs, muhammad did not perform any… what soever.

secondly, anything that is revealed to a future prophet cannot be in contradiction to previous prophecies… so when the angel gabriel told mary that jesus is to be the son of man and claled the son of god…it is impossible for that information to be claimed otbe false later on, by anyone.

1. his book, the quran… is based much on the old testament and new testament, evnequoting exact word for word from jewish rabbi’s etc. why would he want to do this? well because it seems that if he came up with something totally new, he wouldnt have many followers if any, if he claimed he believed in the the old testament and christians then he could add to it and gain followers

he very much wanted to hide the divinity of jesus so that he cold be seen as a great prophet and start his own following. he wanted to play god, and by doing so he very much went against god.

1. he came 600 years after jesus, he had minimal contact with christians toher than killing them in political military conquest… what he learned about them came from skeptics and limited sources… he was not an apostle of christ he was simply inventing everything new himself
2. the bible and the quran cannot be both right. impossible. therefor which is right? the one that came 600 years before, based on factual evidenc,e witnesses, and apostolic traditions? plus all the old testament prophecies…

how could the bible and ot be corrupted? firstly it is impossible for prophets to be corrupt… impossible… secondly, all the prophecies came true in jesus… and islam even confirms some of them like the virgin birth. yet then goes to deny the cross.

logically, how would muhammad know jesus didnt die on the cross. it sounds like something someone would say to gain followers in a new land. jesus warned of these false prophects to not be decieved and go after false teachings. the entire judas was hanged on the cross makes no logical sense… and the whole conspiracy amongst jews and romans doesnt make logical sense either… why would the jews… who were so zealous to even kill god himself want to let him go… and form a conspiracy that would demise there own foundations of their faith??

what did the romans have in promoting a conspiracy? for anything they were the ones who persecuted christians in the early times by feeding them to lions.

the muslim claim of corruption and conspiracy to me is a very malicious attmept at hiding truth. and its done b ecuase mulsims i feel are so submissive to the only way they know god and in that way they do not stray.

why would jesus, who the mulsims believe in, be born of a virgin and fulfill only half the truths… as if god would lie to everyone that he is just kidding, hes only going to fulfill half his prophecies… utterly impossible.

furthermore, after reserachin the quran has many deficiences and frankly takes ot and nt stories and twists them. i am not making anything up this is what i have reserached the past two days.

islam is dangerous because its prophet is false, its truths only half, its submissiveness dangerous and based on fear, its doctrines on hatred, its political ideals on domination and conquering , its realities killing of innocent churches across the arab lands

i urge you all to turn to christ in his truths, and to continue to pray for me as well

look twoards christ, do not take your eye of his truths, pray tohim… noone goes to the father but through me. said jesus

jacob

 

[jakasaki]

There were no Arab invasions into India in the 7-8th century. Islam was introduced into southern India through Arab traders in that time period, but no conquest by armies occurred. India at that time was a multitude of states each governed by a different leader. Besides, there was no religious unity. Hinduism was different in different localities in India. Islamic invasion into the Indian Subcontinent occurred during the time of the Crusades, and it was not conducted by Arabs or Persians, but by Turkic people from the north. The Mughal empire got started as a result of Genghis Khan’s Hordes swarming over central Asia.

Islamic conquest in India

The Islamic conquest of the Indian subcontinent took place during the ascendancy of the Rajput Kingdoms in North India, during the seventh to the twelfth centuries. The first incursion by the new Muslim successor states of the Persian empire occurred around 664 CE during the Umayyad Caliphate, led by Mohalib towards Multan in Southern Punjab; in modern day Pakistan. Mohalib expeditions were not aimed at conquest, though they penetrated as far as the capital of the Maili and returned with wealth and prisoners of war.

It took several centuries for Islam to spread to parts of India and is a topic of intense debate. Some quarters hold that Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam by laws favoring Muslims Citizens, and threat of naked force; the “Conversion by the Sword Theory.” Others hold that this occurred by inter-marriage, conversions, economic integration, to escape caste structures or at the hand of Sufi preachers.

The disputers of the “Conversion by the Sword Theory” point to the prescence of the strong Muslim communities found in Southern India, modern day Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Western Burma, Indonesia and Philippines coupled with the distinctively lack of equivalent Muslim communities around the heartland of historical Muslim Empires in the Indian Sub-Continent as refutation to the Conversion by Sword Theory.
**
Historian Will Durant wrote in The Story of Civilization (1972) that the Muslim conquest of India was “probably the bloodiest story in history.” The number of people killed is estimated based on the Muslim chronicles and demographic calculations. K.S. Lal estimated in his book The Growth of Muslim Population in India that between 1000 CE and 1500 CE, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million. **The legacy of Islamic conquest of South Asia is a hotly debated issue even today.

bharatadesam.com/history/islamic_conquest_in_india.php

 

[jakasaki]

Since we have exhausted the Mohammad/Jews/Christians/Arabia/Conquests discussions…

If CAF **members **feel that asking about if Hindus believe that Mohammad was a prophet and the Islamic invasions into India from Mohammads followers from the 7th century and on, is throwing the thread way out, let me know.

 

[arabic_catholic]

The subject is likely to have a different view, but a general observation:
Muslims integrated well with Indians and their culture.
Christians…really didn’t show that in the colonialism of India, by Britain.

you are wrong … actually many Indian historians thanked the British for they gave them democracy , legal system, education , and even let them discover their own ancient culture … for british archeologist recovered many ancient indian ancient sites (and script)

K.M pankikar commented on Lord Macaulay whose genius " gives life to modern india as we know it."

on the other hand , there are historians who said that muslims killed around 80 million hindu , K.S Lal , an indian historian, analyzed muslim chronicles celebrating muslims as “killers of lakh” . " Lakh equals a hundred thousand"

“art historian J.C Harle , remarks that the urge to destroy the idols of infidels,is a main reason of the paucity of early art and architectural remains in Bihar”

Sita ram Goel Compiled evidence from more than eighty muslim source that witness the destruction of 1000s of thousands on temples all over india by muslim jihadis … take for example " So the temples were attacked “all along the way” as the armies of Islam advanced; they were “robbed of their sculptural wealth”, “pulled down”, “laid waste”, “burnt with naptha”, “trodden under horse’s hoofs”, and “destroyed from their very foundations”, till “not a trace of them remained”. Mahmûd of Ghazni robbed and burnt down 1,000 temples at Mathura, and 10,000 in and around Kanauj. One of his successors, Ibrãhîm, demolished 1,000 temples each in Hindustan (Ganga-Yamuna Doab) and Malwa. Muhammad Ghûrî destroyed another 1,000 at Varanasi. Qutbu’d-Dîn Aibak employed elephants for pulling down 1,000 temples in Delhi. “Alî I ‘Ãdil Shãh of Bijapur destroyed 200 to 300 temples in Karnataka. A sufi, Qãyim Shãh, destroyed 12 temples at Tiruchirapalli. Such exact or approximate counts, however, are available only in a few cases. Most of the time we are informed that “many strong temples which would have remained unshaken even by the trumpets blown on the Day of Judgment, were levelled with the ground when swept by the wind of Islãm”.

On the other hand … Lord Curzon , claimed that preserving india’s magnificent cultural heritage is “an elementary obligation of the government.”

I can’t see how your statement could be justified

 

[dronald]

As it was stated, Muhammad took many stories from the OT and NT and changed them. But what about books that were in neither???

Let’s take a look shall we?

Qur’an 3:49 And (make him) a messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allah’s permission, and I heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission; and I inform you of what you should eat and what you should store in your houses. Surely there is a sign in this for you, if you are believers. (Speaking of Jesus, note the clay bird)

Qur’an 5:110When Allah will say: O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My favour to thee and to thy mother, when I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit; thou spokest to people in the cradle and in old age, and when I taught thee the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel, and when thou didst determine **out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then thou didst breathe into it and it became a bird by My permission; **and thou didst heal the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the Children of Israel from thee when thou camest to them with clear arguments – but those of them who disbelieved said: This is nothing but clear enchantment. (Again, note the clay bird)

Now let’s look at the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, written around 400:

1. “And when the Lord Jesus was seven years of age, he was on a certain day with other boys his companions about the same age. 2. Who at play made clay into several shapes, namely, asses, oxen, birds, and other figures. 3. Each boasting of his work and endeavoring to exceed the rest. 4. Then the Lord Jesus said to the boys, I will command these figures which I have made to walk. 5. And immediately they moved, and when he commanded them to return, they returned. 6. He had also made the figures of birds and sparrows, which, when he commanded to fly, did fly, and when he commanded to stand still, did stand still; and if he gave them meat and drink, they did eat and drink. 7. When at length the boys went away and related these things to their parents, their fathers said to them, Take heed, children, for the future, of his company, for he is a sorcerer; shun and avoid him, and from now on never play with him.”

Here’s another Infancy Gospel, written in the mid second century:
“I, Thomas, an Israelite, judged it necessary to make known to our brethren among the Gentiles, the actions and miracles of Christ in his childhood, which our Lord and God Jesus Christ wrought after his birth in Bethlehem in our country, at which I myself was astonished; the beginning of which was as follows. 2. When the child Jesus was five years of age and there had been a shower of rain that was now over, Jesus was playing with other Hebrew boys by a running stream, and the waters ran over the banks and stood in little lakes; 3. But the water instantly became clear and useful again; they readily obeyed him after he touched them only by his word. 4. Then he took from the bank of the stream some soft clay and formed out of it twelve sparrows; and there were other boys playing with him. 5. But a certain Jew seeing the things which he was doing, namely, his forming clay into the figures of sparrows on the Sabbath day, went presently away and told his father Joseph, 6. Behold, your boy is playing by the river side, and has taken clay and formed it into twelve sparrows, and profanes the Sabbath. 7. Then Joseph came to the place where he was, and when he saw him, called to him, and said, Why do you that which is not lawful to do on the Sabbath day? 8. T**hen Jesus clapping together the palms of his hands, called to the sparrows, and said to them: Go, fly away; and while you live remember me. 9. So the sparrows fled away, making a noise. **10. The Jews seeing this, were astonished and went away and told their chief persons what a strange miracle they had seen wrought by Jesus.”

It’s interesting that Muhammad claimed these stories were true. More on the way!

 

[dronald]

Qur’an 19:22-26Then she conceived him; and withdrew with him to a remote place. ‏And the throes of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten! ‏So a voice came to her from beneath her: Grieve not, surely thy Lord has provided a stream beneath thee. ‏ And shake towards thee the trunk of the palm-tree, it will drop on thee fresh ripe dates. ‏So eat and drink and cool the eye. Then if thou seest any mortal, say: Surely I have vowed a fast to the Beneficent, so I will not speak to any man to-day.

Gospel of Psuedo-Matthew (490 AD)
And it came to pass on the third day of their journey, while they were walking, that the blessed Mary was fatigued by the excessive heat of the sun in the desert; and seeing a palm tree, she said to Joseph: Let me rest a little under the shade of this tree. Joseph therefore made haste, and led her to the palm, and made her come down from her beast. And as the blessed Mary was sitting there, she looked up to the foliage of the palm, and saw it full of fruit, and said to Joseph: I wish it were possible to get some of the fruit of this palm. And Joseph said to her: I wonder that thou sayest this, when thou seest how high the palm tree is; and that thou thinkest of eating of its fruit. I am thinking more of the want of water, because the skins are now empty, and we have none wherewith to refresh ourselves and our cattle. Then the child Jesus, with a joyful countenance, reposing in the bosom of His mother, said to the palm: O tree, bend thy branches, and refresh my mother with thy fruit. And immediately at these words the palm bent its top down to the very feet of the blessed Mary; and they gathered from it fruit, with which they were all refreshed. And after they had gathered all its fruit, it remained bent down, waiting the order to rise from Him who bad commanded it to stoop. Then Jesus said to it: Raise thyself, O palm tree, and be strong, and be the companion of my trees, which are in the paradise of my Father; and open from thy roots a vein of water which has been hid in the earth, and let the waters flow, so that we may be satisfied from thee. And it rose up immediately, and at its root there began to come forth a spring of water exceedingly clear and cool and sparkling. And when they saw the spring of water, they rejoiced with great joy, and were satisfied, themselves and all their cattle and their beasts. Wherefore they gave thanks to God.”

Why is the same story in the Qur’an that’s in these non-canonical Gospels written hundreds of years after Jesus’s death?

 

[arabic_catholic]

Qur’an 19:22-26Then she conceived him; and withdrew with him to a remote place. ‏And the throes of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten! ‏So a voice came to her from beneath her: Grieve not, surely thy Lord has provided a stream beneath thee. ‏ And shake towards thee the trunk of the palm-tree, it will drop on thee fresh ripe dates. ‏So eat and drink and cool the eye. Then if thou seest any mortal, say: Surely I have vowed a fast to the Beneficent, so I will not speak to any man to-day.

Gospel of Psuedo-Matthew (490 AD)
And it came to pass on the third day of their journey, while they were walking, that the blessed Mary was fatigued by the excessive heat of the sun in the desert; and seeing a palm tree, she said to Joseph: Let me rest a little under the shade of this tree. Joseph therefore made haste, and led her to the palm, and made her come down from her beast. And as the blessed Mary was sitting there, she looked up to the foliage of the palm, and saw it full of fruit, and said to Joseph: I wish it were possible to get some of the fruit of this palm. And Joseph said to her: I wonder that thou sayest this, when thou seest how high the palm tree is; and that thou thinkest of eating of its fruit. I am thinking more of the want of water, because the skins are now empty, and we have none wherewith to refresh ourselves and our cattle. Then the child Jesus, with a joyful countenance, reposing in the bosom of His mother, said to the palm: O tree, bend thy branches, and refresh my mother with thy fruit. And immediately at these words the palm bent its top down to the very feet of the blessed Mary; and they gathered from it fruit, with which they were all refreshed. And after they had gathered all its fruit, it remained bent down, waiting the order to rise from Him who bad commanded it to stoop. Then Jesus said to it: Raise thyself, O palm tree, and be strong, and be the companion of my trees, which are in the paradise of my Father; and open from thy roots a vein of water which has been hid in the earth, and let the waters flow, so that we may be satisfied from thee. And it rose up immediately, and at its root there began to come forth a spring of water exceedingly clear and cool and sparkling. And when they saw the spring of water, they rejoiced with great joy, and were satisfied, themselves and all their cattle and their beasts. Wherefore they gave thanks to God.”

Why is the same story in the Qur’an that’s in these non-canonical Gospels written hundreds of years after Jesus’s death?

The Quran belongs to heretical christian group … read a challenge to islam for reformation by gunter luling and the recovery of some suras that are nothing but anti trinitarian christian hymns .

stories like du al qarnen (the man with two horns) which is obvious stolen story of the myth of Alexander the great who built a wall to protect its nation from Gog and Magog is another stolen story , or the myth of the seven sleepers . as you can see all those stories reflect a Syrian background

 

[FireFromHeaven]

The subject is likely to have a different view, but a general observation:
Muslims integrated well with Indians and their culture.
Christians…really didn’t show that in the colonialism of India, by Britain.

Not so. Muslims integrated well in south India. In northern India they remained a minority from what I remember. Also Christians were in India long before the British. Thomas the apostle spread Christianity to India. Read up on the syro malabars. I met one of them a while ago and he said he was often annoyed by others thinking he was a convert.

 

[MartinJordan]

The Quran belongs to heretical christian group … read a challenge to islam for reformation by gunter luling and the recovery of some suras that are nothing but anti trinitarian christian hymns .

stories like du al qarnen (the man with two horns) which is obvious stolen story of the myth of Alexander the great who built a wall to protect its nation from Gog and Magog is another stolen story , or the myth of the seven sleepers . as you can see all those stories reflect a Syrian background

Regarding the 7 sleepers, I had not heard of this legend, till my Muslim friend asked me to read the Bible and see that I should find this story. Upon thinking about it I was already 100% sure it wasn’t. Naturally it isn’t because this event apparently took place around 250 a.d or so. I explained to him frankly that was not aware of this except I find the sleepers are given the honour of being Catholic saints.

He chuckled that why doesn’t the Bible have it…and I should realize the Qur’an mentions it thus it has more prominence than the Bible. I reiterated it won’t be on the Bible because the story oringates too far from Jesus time to be scripture. It is indeed messy to explain to Muslims when their mind is set. Oh well.

MJ

 

[nmgauss]

Islamic conquest in India
bharatadesam.com/history/islamic_conquest_in_india.php

“The Islamic conquest of the Indian subcontinent took place during the ascendancy of the Rajput Kingdoms in North India, during the seventh to the twelfth centuries. The first incursion by the new Muslim successor states of the Persian empire occurred around 664 CE during the Umayyad Caliphate, led by Mohalib towards Multan in Southern Punjab; in modern day Pakistan. Mohalib expeditions were not aimed at conquest, though they penetrated as far as the capital of the Maili and returned with wealth and prisoners of war.”

This passage implies that the conquests started in the seventh century. In reality, there were battles, but they were more of a hit and run nature. In one battle the Muslims were defeated. Permanent invasions did not occur until much later.

“The first incursion by the new Muslim successor states of the Persian Empire occurred around 664 CE during the Umayyad Caliphate, led by Al Muhallab ibn Abi Suffrah towards Multan in Southern Punjab, in modern day Pakistan. Muhallab’s expeditions were not aimed at conquest, though they penetrated only as far as the capital of the Maili, he returned with wealth and prisoners of war. This was an Arab incursion and part of the early Umayyad push onwards from the Islamic conquest of Persia into Central Asia, and within the limits of the eastern borders of previous Persian empires. The last Arab push in the region would be towards the end of Umayyad reign under Muhammad bin Qasim, after whom the Arabs would be defeated by the Rajputs at the Battle of Rajasthan in 738, and Muslim incursions would only be resumed under later Turkic and Central Asian mongol dynasties with more local capitals, who supplanted the Caliphate and expanded their domains both northwards and eastwards.”

It took several centuries for Islam to spread across India and how it did so is a topic of intense debate. Some quarters hold that it occurred through inter-marriage, forced conversions, economic integration, to escape caste structures, and through the influence of Sufi preachers

 

[Reuben_J]

Just to answer your question, I do believe in the New Testament and parts of the Old Testament. I do believe in the history about the flood, Jericho, Ai (not so much the Egyptian first born). Much of the Old Testament is made up history by some rather violent people while blaming God for their own violence and killings. I can’t understand how Christians can reconcile this idea that God can order massacres while believing in the loving God of the New Testament. The fact is that it just is not true that God ordered any such thing, just as the earth is not 6000 years old and the Sun does not revolve around the earth.

Irrelevant. My post did not have any question. You are contradicting your previous posts which I have listed. Please do us a favor and answer the topic of the thread. We are interested to know what a Hindu thinks of Mohammad – not how you attack Christianity which is not relevant to you and this thread. This may be a question for you (as it is a question of the thread): do you think Mohammad could have been a prophet or not?

As for you attacking the Bible, this is wasting this thread space on issue not related to the thread, since you are a Hindu. Please start a new thread on the truth/untruth of the Bible and its God. I can assure you, Christians here would be very glad to discuss that with you. Doing it here will only derail the thread.

 

[Reuben_J]

As a matter of interest the Malay and Indonesian language (Bahasa) are very
similar and the word for God in their language is Allah. So if you were
attending Mass there every reference toGod is Allah.
A few years ago the Muslims tried unsuccessfully to forbid Christians
from referring to God as Allah.

Thanks for that information. But you are feeding a troll, bro.

 

[Reuben_J]

I don’t know if most Hindus believe Muhammad was a prophet. Some probably do and many probably don’t.

It is Ok, we don’t expect you to be very resourceful even though you are a Hindu. Not every adherent of their religion is well ‘catechized’. But that’s a good answer. You could build on that though. Why those Hindus who believe that Mohammad was a prophet, do so, and why those who don’t, don’t?

 

[Reuben_J]

Muhammad made himself exempt from some of his own rules, which never happened in the OT. I remember reading the chapter in the Quran that resulted from Muhammad swearing off honey (his favorite food) since one of his wives had used it to keep him with her when he should have been with another wife. God actually went through the trouble of revealing a chapter of Sacred Scripture saying that He wanted him to eat honey despite his disavowal of it.

This type of revelation is one reason why I am wary too that Mohammad could actually be serious with God’s revelation. I mean looking at it from a Christian’s perspective.

 

[Reuben_J]

after researching the topic for a lengthy 2 days… i have come to the firm conclusion that muhammad was NOT a prophet of god, therefor a prophet, but a false prophet … for a number of reasons…

1. in deutoronomy, there is a test that must be applied to whomever claims to be a prophet, that he must perform signs, muhammad did not perform any… what soever.

secondly, anything that is revealed to a future prophet cannot be in contradiction to previous prophecies… so when the angel gabriel told mary that jesus is to be the son of man and claled the son of god…it is impossible for that information to be claimed otbe false later on, by anyone.

1. his book, the quran… is based much on the old testament and new testament, evnequoting exact word for word from jewish rabbi’s etc. why would he want to do this? well because it seems that if he came up with something totally new, he wouldnt have many followers if any, if he claimed he believed in the the old testament and christians then he could add to it and gain followers

he very much wanted to hide the divinity of jesus so that he cold be seen as a great prophet and start his own following. he wanted to play god, and by doing so he very much went against god.

1. he came 600 years after jesus, he had minimal contact with christians toher than killing them in political military conquest… what he learned about them came from skeptics and limited sources… he was not an apostle of christ he was simply inventing everything new himself
2. the bible and the quran cannot be both right. impossible. therefor which is right? the one that came 600 years before, based on factual evidenc,e witnesses, and apostolic traditions? plus all the old testament prophecies…

how could the bible and ot be corrupted? firstly it is impossible for prophets to be corrupt… impossible… secondly, all the prophecies came true in jesus… and islam even confirms some of them like the virgin birth. yet then goes to deny the cross.

logically, how would muhammad know jesus didnt die on the cross. it sounds like something someone would say to gain followers in a new land. jesus warned of these false prophects to not be decieved and go after false teachings. the entire judas was hanged on the cross makes no logical sense… and the whole conspiracy amongst jews and romans doesnt make logical sense either… why would the jews… who were so zealous to even kill god himself want to let him go… and form a conspiracy that would demise there own foundations of their faith??

what did the romans have in promoting a conspiracy? for anything they were the ones who persecuted christians in the early times by feeding them to lions.

the muslim claim of corruption and conspiracy to me is a very malicious attmept at hiding truth. and its done b ecuase mulsims i feel are so submissive to the only way they know god and in that way they do not stray.

why would jesus, who the mulsims believe in, be born of a virgin and fulfill only half the truths… as if god would lie to everyone that he is just kidding, hes only going to fulfill half his prophecies… utterly impossible.

furthermore, after reserachin the quran has many deficiences and frankly takes ot and nt stories and twists them. i am not making anything up this is what i have reserached the past two days.

islam is dangerous because its prophet is false, its truths only half, its submissiveness dangerous and based on fear, its doctrines on hatred, its political ideals on domination and conquering , its realities killing of innocent churches across the arab lands

i urge you all to turn to christ in his truths, and to continue to pray for me as well

look twoards christ, do not take your eye of his truths, pray tohim… noone goes to the father but through me. said jesus

jacob

A well written post bro. I have put roughly three criteria for the making of a prophet:

1. He is foretold
2. His message is consistent with the prophets before him
3. He is imbued with miraculous power.

You have written much better than mine, thanks.

You brought a pertinent point that Mohammad denied the cross which made up of about half of the New Testament content. He could not possibly miss it. If the crucifixion did not happen, not only it made a mockery of the conspiracies among the Jews and Romans which you rightly said, but it also made God a deceiver Himself (to change Jesus to Judas or whoever, and made that person appear to be like Jesus which is a more cruel deed, because it was another innocent dying for an innocent).

God bless you bro Jacob.

Reuben (son of Jacob)

 

[Reuben_J]

Most of the time we are informed that “many strong temples which would have remained unshaken even by the trumpets blown on the Day of Judgment, were levelled with the ground when swept by the wind of Islãm”.

On the other hand … Lord Curzon , claimed that preserving india’s magnificent cultural heritage is “an elementary obligation of the government.”

I can’t see how your statement could be justified

It seems the wind of Islam is stronger than a tornado. Tornado Alley in Oklahoma recently was perhaps devastated of houses and plants but the wind of Islam rooted out temples and churches.

It is true that the original religious life of the place could be totally obliterated by the Islam, like the Jews of Medina and the Christians of present day Turkey with only a handful left.

As we can see, not all the Jews of Medina were converted to Islam but many of them were killed or expelled (from the country they lived).

 

[dronald]

You brought a pertinent point that Mohammad denied the cross which made up of about half of the New Testament content. He could not possibly miss it. If the crucifixion did not happen, not only it made a mockery of the conspiracies among the Jews and Romans which you rightly said,** but it also made God a deceiver Himself **(to change Jesus to Judas or whoever, and made that person appear to be like Jesus which is a more cruel deed, because it was another innocent dying for an innocent).

Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

And they cheated/deceived and Allah cheated/deceived, and Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers. Qur’an 3:54

The word Markr means deception/scheming.

So, actually in Islam it’s acceptable that Allah is the best deceiver, therefore acceptable that he would trick everyone into believing that Jesus really did get removed from that cross.

 

[nmgauss]

“If CAF members feel that asking about if Hindus believe that Mohammad was a prophet and the Islamic invasions into India from Mohammads followers from the 7th century and on, is throwing the thread way out, let me know.”

The word “prophet” has no meaning for a Hindu. Hinduism was developed through the writings of multiple sages and includes the Vedas, Upanishads, and other pieces of Sanskrit literature. Hinduism is multifaceted and difficult to pin down to any single belief system. It has been described as a tradition or way of life rather than a religion.

Also Islamic invasions into India were not conducted by followers of Muhammad any more than the Crusades were conducted by followers of Jesus.
The Umayyads and Abbasids departed substantially in many respects from the teachings of Muhammad. They were caliphs and concentrated on expanding the Islamic Empire and their own power, not Islam. Pope Urban III was not a follower of Jesus. He was a bishop of Rome and promoted the Catholic Church as it was formulated in the many Councils. After these big conventions where political debates often occurred, the teachings of Jesus took a back seat to the main agenda of defining Catholicism and expanding the Church.

 

[Reuben_J]

Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

And they cheated/deceived and Allah cheated/deceived, and Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers. Qur’an 3:54

The word Markr means deception/scheming.

So, actually in Islam it’s acceptable that Allah is the best deceiver, therefore acceptable that he would trick everyone into believing that Jesus really did get removed from that cross.

Perhaps this this another side of God from Islamic understanding, a characteristic that we thought clearly an antithesis of the true God. For God is not a liar nor He is a deciever.

Well, we know who is, though.

 

[Reuben_J]

“If CAF members feel that asking about if Hindus believe that Mohammad was a prophet and the Islamic invasions into India from Mohammads followers from the 7th century and on, is throwing the thread way out, let me know.”

The word “prophet” has no meaning for a Hindu. Hinduism was developed through the writings of multiple sages and includes the Vedas, Upanishads, and other pieces of Sanskrit literature. Hinduism is multifaceted and difficult to pin down to any single belief system. It has been described as a tradition or way of life rather than a religion.

Also Islamic invasions into India were not conducted by followers of Muhammad any more than the Crusades were conducted by followers of Jesus.
The Umayyads and Abbasids departed substantially in many respects from the teachings of Muhammad. They were caliphs and concentrated on expanding the Islamic Empire and their own power, not Islam. Pope Urban III was not a follower of Jesus. He was a bishop of Rome and promoted the Catholic Church as it was formulated in the many Councils. After these big conventions where political debates often occurred, the teachings of Jesus took a back seat to the main agenda of defining Catholicism and expanding the Church.

nmgauss, with due respect, I would rather hear this from a Hindu since we have a Hindu poster here. Not that you may be wrong. I have no knowledge of Hinduism and probably it is good to learn a few things about it. Correctly, that is.