Could Muhammad of been a prophet?

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Jesus never said he was God, nor were the Jews looking for God incarnate, nor do they believe God would incarnate.

John 10:30-34 In which the Jews specifically were against the idea of God being a man, during the time of Jesus.

God being a man is against the Old Testament (Number 23:19)

To the contrary, for recall when Jesus said that, “Amen, amen
I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM,” ‘I AM’ signifying that
Jesus is the same God that spoke to Moses. Jesus didn’t say,
“before Abraham was, I was,” but by saying ‘I AM,’ speaking of
how he is the Self-Existent One, i.e. God. (See John 8:58)

Also, there were many forms of Judaism, such as the Sadducee, the
Pharisee, Essene, etc, some who did expect the Messiah to be God.
Plus, it doesn’t matters what the Jews were expecting. What matters
is what the prophets were saying. I recommend this link:jesusplusnothing.com/questions/JesusisGod.htmAnd on John 10:30-34, you seem to ignore 30, in which Jesus said
that he AND the Father (referring to God) are ONE. In other words,
Jesus and the Father, though separate persons, are the same God.
THAT is when the Jews accused him of blasphemy, for they under-
stood that Jesus meant that he is God, but he was only a poor and
dirty carpenter of sorts, “Jesus=God?”

Funny, to argue that Jesus isn’t God, you used a passage that affirms the contrary!

And you had to use that Number 23:19,God is not a man, that he should lie, nor as
the son of man, that he should be changed.
Hath he said then, and will he not do? hath
he spoken, and will he not fulfil?
Do Christians dispute that text? No. Do Christians say that God was a human at THAT
time? No. Do Christians say that God as to his eternal nature was human? No. What
Christians DO say is that almost 2,000 years ago, God took on human flesh and dwelt
for a while among us, which is not addressed by Numbers 23:19, but let’s say it does: God is not a man, that he should lie, nor as
the son of man, that he should be changed.
Hath he said then, and will he not do? hath
he spoken, and will he not fulfil?
You got to read the Bible more carefully than how you’ve done so far.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Tell the OT Prophets that God came on Earth as a man and see what happens to you…

I am glad you brought that up, because God appeared to Abraham in human
form with two*angels (Not the Son & Holy Spirit) in Genesis Chapters 18-19.

What happens to you now…?

*FYI, I’m only a revert, unsure if
Genesis 18-19 shows the Trinity,
but knows that it is definitely God.
​

 

[Shia_Muslim]

I am glad you brought that up, because God appeared to Abraham in human
form with two angels (Not the Son & Holy Spirit) in Genesis Chapters 18-19.

What happens to you now…?

Tell them God appeared as a human being.

 

[SoMissCatholic]

Jesus never said he was God, nor were the Jews looking for God incarnate, nor do they believe God would incarnate.

John 10:30-34 In which the Jews specifically were against the idea of God being a man, during the time of Jesus.

God being a man is against the Old Testament (Number 23:19)

If you back up four verses from the ones you cite and read, it is clear that Jesus indeed indicates his divinity:
John 10:26-30:

But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Father’s hand. The Father and I are one.

Jesus first explicitly claims that he gives eternal life. He then further clarifies his divinity by showing that he and the Father are the same (“No one can take them out of my hand . . . . no one can take them out of the Father’s hand.”). He then explicitly declares that he and the Father are one. This is just one of many examples in the Gospels where Jesus proclaims his divinity. So it is not correct to claim that Jesus never said he was God, because in fact he did make this claim, and more than once.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

The differences between Christianity and Islam all boil down to this: do you believe in the Trinity or no?

The Trinity.

Did Christ die on the cross.

Did Christ rise from the dead.

The realiability of the bible, old and new testament.

Did Jesus create the universe and everything therein.

Did Jesus atone for our sins alone.

Plus many more.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Jesus never said he was God, nor were the Jews looking for God incarnate, nor do they believe God would incarnate.

John 10:30-34 In which the Jews specifically were against the idea of God being a man, during the time of Jesus.

God being a man is against the Old Testament (Number 23:19)

Who has all power on heaven and on earth?

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Tell them God appeared as a human being.

Just read it, I did, so I think the Prophets would agree.
The Jews understood it that way also, not sure about
modern Jews, but the ancients understood that God
indeed came to Abraham.

 

[Tom_Baum]

Jesus never said he was God, nor were the Jews looking for God incarnate, nor do they believe God would incarnate.

John 10:30-34 In which the Jews specifically were against the idea of God being a man, during the time of Jesus.

God being a man is against the Old Testament (Number 23:19)

John 10:30-34 “* The Father and I are one.” The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?”

Jesus flat out said that He was/is God here and other places, the Jews may not have been looking for God to become One of us but claiming to be God is what Jesus was crucified for.

Actually, it wasn’t that Jesus was making Himself God, it was that He made Himself human.

John 19:19-22 "Pilate also had an inscription written and put on the cross. It read, “Jesus the Nazorean, the King of the Jews.” Now many of the Jews read this inscription, because the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write ‘The King of the Jews,’ but that he said, ‘I am the King of the Jews.’” Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.” "

Apparently not only did Jesus claim to be “King of the Jews” but God, speaking thru Pilate, declared it to the world.

Numbers 23:19 “God is not a human being who speaks falsely, nor a mortal, who feels regret. Is God one to speak and not act, to decree and not bring it to pass?”

This was written before the Incarnation, God became One of us at a specific time and place and this was when Mary said YES.

When Mary said YES, He Who is referred to as the Second Person of the Trinity became the Son of God and the Son of man (Mary’s child) before that He was God not yet Incarnate.

God knew even before creation that there would be an Incarnation but the Incarnation did come at a very specific time and place.

 

[Tom_Baum]

Tell the OT Prophets that God came on Earth as a man and see what happens to you…

What do you think that they would tell you that it came as a surprise to them also?

 

[Tom_Baum]

I am glad you brought that up, because God appeared to Abraham in human
form with two*angels (Not the Son & Holy Spirit) in Genesis Chapters 18-19.

What happens to you now…?

*FYI, I’m only a revert, unsure if
Genesis 18-19 shows the Trinity,
but knows that it is definitely God.
​

Appearing in human form and becoming a human are two very distinct things.

 

[Tom_Baum]

The most basic belief of Christianity is that God became One of us in the Incarnation.

As far as I know, Islam teaches, thru the writings of Muhammad in the koran, that Jesus is a prophet and only a prophet, not God-Incarnate.

I have said many times that both could be false, one or the other could be true but both can not be true.

God became One of us for ALL of us in the Incarnation.

 

[Servant19]

How about both are true Tom

…an objective observation of what the purpose of religion is will testify to this fact.

God only reveals according to the capacity of the audience He reveals to…

 

[TheSufi]

John 10:30-34 “* The Father and I are one.” The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?”

.

Jesus’ reply is **NOT ** I am God but You are gods (Elohim). (psalms 82:6) Meaning we too can become one with God, (ie children of the Most High (El elyon).

I am glad you quoted to whole thing.

 

[Shia_Muslim]

What do you think that they would tell you that it came as a surprise to them also?

Probably they would have applied Deut 13…

 

[dronald]

Jesus’ reply is **NOT ** I am God but You are gods (Elohim). (psalms 82:6) Meaning we too can become one with God, (ie children of the Most High (El elyon).

I am glad you quoted to whole thing.

10:39 So everyone breathed a sigh of relief, noticed Jesus was saying he’s no different and they all went home.

Seriously though, for any Muslims reading; please don’t quote Johns Gospel when arguing with Christians. Textual Criticism has proven that it’s coherent and written by the same, one author who claims in John 1 that God became flesh. John sets the standard on how the entire Gospel should be read in order to stomp any heresies. He then writes of Jesus’s death, resurrection, Thomas calling Jesus “God” to His face, Jesus condemning Thomas for not believing sooner, then His ascension.

Please refrain from the Gospel of John.

 

[dronald]

Probably they would have applied Deut 13…

And what exactly did they do?

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Appearing in human form and becoming a human are two very distinct things.

No you misunderstand. The neither the phrases “human form” or “becoming a
human” appear in Genesis in application to God visiting Abraham, but rather I
infer that God came in bodily form to Abraham. You can read Chapter 18 your-
self, but here is a major clue:
And Abraham hastened into the tent to Sarah, and said, “Make ready quick-
ly three measures of choice flour, knead it, and make cakes.” Abraham ran
to the herd, and took a calf, tender and good, and gave it to the servant, who
hastened to prepare it. Then he took curds and milk and the calf that he had
prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree while
they ate.

• (Genesis 18:6-8)
  Now this is in context talking about Abraham and the
  Three Visitors, one of them identified as the Lord (as
  the other two were angels). THEY ATE, so they were
  not simply spirits standing before Abraham.

 

[TheSufi]

10:39 So everyone breathed a sigh of relief, noticed Jesus was saying he’s no different and they all went home.

Seriously though, for any Muslims reading; please don’t quote Johns Gospel when arguing with Christians. Textual Criticism has proven that it’s coherent and written by the same, one author who claims in John 1 that God became flesh. John sets the standard on how the entire Gospel should be read in order to stomp any heresies. He then writes of Jesus’s death, resurrection, Thomas calling Jesus “God” to His face, Jesus condemning Thomas for not believing sooner, then His ascension.

Please refrain from the Gospel of John.

We can quote it, because John 1 aren’t the words of Jesus.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

We can quote it, because John 1 aren’t the words of Jesus.

BUT the Gospel of John was written by somebody who KNEW Jesus.

The Qur’an wasn’t written by Muhammad, an illiterate, he just spoke,
then his sayings were collected by others a time later after he died.

Why give the Qur’an more credence than the Gospel of John?

 

[dronald]

We can quote it, because John 1 aren’t the words of Jesus.

You ignored everything… honestly TheSufi, you’re not fair in discussions. I made many points, not just John 1 and that’s all you come up with?