Your official LDS sites are no better; they’ve been posted here time and time again. He could also go to your church meetings where he can hear all kinds of whacky personal opinions and interpretations.Alanjeddy,
May I point out a difference between you and James.
I have respect for James and his questions because he actually quotes from LDS sources and asks sound questions. He does not try to put his personal influences into them, even if he does not agree with them. And he asks sincere questions. I feel he is indeed a disciple of Christ and I have great respect for him.
On the other hand, you have posted your personal beliefs and personal interpretations of what you believe we believe as if we actually believed that. Now, I believe you actually believe we believe that, but for the most part, your way off base. Mainly because you have brought in your personal opinions and prejudices.
Now, if you would take those precepts, then go search official LDS sites and find out our actual beliefs and if you have a problem with them, post that from our sites and we can discuss it further.
MEgus
MDgus do you think that being married to more then one women at a time is a sin or not ,please just answer this one questionYour official LDS sites are no better; they’ve been posted here time and time again. He could also go to your church meetings where he can hear all kinds of whacky personal opinions and interpretations.
All you need to do MEgus, is check the references on your official sites. They still make reference to everything Joseph and others have taught. That you don’t see that the doctrines are far removed from Christianity, is your problem, not ours. Sorry.
Yes, there was a priest named Melchizedek, but there is no Melchizedek Priesthood.One of those things we learn is that even before Abraham was called of God, there was a great priest in the land called Melchizedek.
Gen. 14:18
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
While in Carthage Jail, Joseph had 2 pistols and a few bottles of wine smuggled in to him and his brother Hyram. They spent the evening drinking and singing. When the mob stormed the jail, Joseph shot and killed 2 of the men and wounded at least one other. He wound have killed more but his gun jammed.Who did he kill???
he acts like a marttyr to me,hmmmmmmmWhile in Carthage Jail, Joseph had 2 pistols and a few bottles of wine smuggled in to him and his brother Hyram. They spent the evening drinking and singing. When the mob stormed the jail, Joseph shot and killed 2 of the men and wounded at least one other. He wound have killed more but his gun jammed.
Drunken killer = martyr? Not in Christianity.
Paul
And you know this how?While in Carthage Jail, Joseph had 2 pistols and a few bottles of wine smuggled in to him and his brother Hyram. They spent the evening drinking and singing. When the mob stormed the jail, Joseph shot and killed 2 of the men and wounded at least one other. He wound have killed more but his gun jammed.
Drunken killer = martyr? Not in Christianity.
Paul
Check this thread out.Thank you for your reply. I am truly just searching for information. I am in no way going to bash you for your beliefs. If the missionaries can’t “touch” my questions then who should I ask? I always thought that the best way to get information was to go to the source and they are the only source I can go to with questions. I am reading the BOM and D&C and History of the Church but it is SO much more helpful to be able to ask a question and have it answered by a person. If what I said is not what you believe can you please clear it up for me? Are you saying that you will design your own universe when you are a god and then you and your wives will populate that universe with spirit babies? And for the “not mormons” can you please give reference for where you found this information. Is it stated in D&C (I know it is not in BOM) that mormons will attained godhood and produce spirit babies for eternity?
Thanks alan, you just made my case.MEgus, There is only one true apostolic church that traces its roots to Christ Read the above carefully.
And listen to Rebecca and others on this thread who were former mormons, now Catholic and many were in mormon seminaries, they are echoing what I am saying.
Truth, that is the great Question and the only Question.MEgus,
The Catholic church has the priesthood authority. And she teaches the truth, consistently. How wonderful is that?
Bill, do you think Abraham was a sinner? Or Isaac, or Jacob?MDgus do you think that being married to more then one women at a time is a sin or not ,please just answer this one question
I see you didn’t bother to read Heb. chapter 5 and 7 before you replied, did you?Yes, there was a priest named Melchizedek, but there is no Melchizedek Priesthood.
MEgus, does fifteen years of study, constant prayer and effort count? Or maybe no, unless one comes to the same conclusions as you?Truth, that is the great Question and the only Question.
I know you believe that, but I don’t. I have done major research on both Churches. I have not asked others to teach me, I have done the work for myself so I know for myself. I have not relied upon the “Arm of Flesh” for understanding.
Now, if you will spend the time and effort, you might be surprised what you would find.
MEgus
The the “Eternal Marriage Student Manual”, used in the LDS Institute of Religion courses .Are you saying that you will design your own universe when you are a god and then you and your wives will populate that universe with spirit babies? And for the “not mormons” can you please give reference for where you found this information. Is it stated in D&C (I know it is not in BOM) that mormons will attained godhood and produce spirit babies for eternity?
“What do we mean by endless or eternal increase?
We mean that through the righteousness and
faithfulness of men and women who keep the
commandments of God they will come forth with
celestial bodies, fitted and prepared to enter into
their great, high and eternal glory in the celestial
kingdom of God; and unto them through their
preparation, there will come spirit children. I don’t
think that is very difficult to comprehend. The nature
of the offspring is determined by the nature of the
substance that flows in the veins of the being. When
blood flows in the veins of the being the offspring
will be what blood produces, which is tangible flesh
and bone; but when that which flows in the veins
is spirit matter, a substance which is more refined
and pure and glorious than blood, the offspring of
such beings will be spirit children. By that I mean
they will be in the image of the parents. They will
have a spirit body and have a spark of the eternal or
divine that always did exist in them” (MelvinJ.
Ballard—Crusader for Righteousness, 211).
“Mortal persons who overcome all things and gain
an ultimate exaltation will live eternally in the
family unit and have spirit children, thus becoming
Eternal Fathers and Eternal Mothers. (D&C
132:19–32.) Indeed, the formal pronouncement of
the Church, issued by the First Presidency and the
Council of the Twelve, states: ‘So far as the stages of
eternal progression and attainment have been made
known through divine revelation, we are to
understand that only resurrected and glorified beings
can become parents of spirit offspring.’ (Man: His Origin
and Destiny, p. 129.)” (Mormon Doctrine, 517).
D&C 32:
UTLM has put together a list of quotes from LDS apostles and prophets on this subject.19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever. 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.
Actually I did. Did I miss something?I see you didn’t bother to read Heb. chapter 5 and 7 before you replied, did you?
I guess it depends on what you were studying.MEgus, does fifteen years of study, constant prayer and effort count? Or maybe no, unless one comes to the same conclusions as you?
I trusted God always, and when I was ready, He led me to the Truth.
if it is a fact it is not attackingI don’t believe it is. However, we should give the Mormons the courtesy and decency to believe what they will. When we are attacked for our faith, we don’t like it nor appreciate it. So why would they?
I just hope and pray that one day there is Christian Unity.
Thank you Bill you are right. Amen I say.amen
MEgus, yes, I am fully aware of Church teaching.I guess it depends on what you were studying.
For instance, are you aware that the early Church taught the deification of man?
MEgus
Dang, we can’t win with you guys.The websites tell you what your church teaches (now), not what people believe. It also does not tell you what your church has taught before which is where people got these beliefs to begin with.
If you can show me the equivalency of a Mormon catechism, then I’ll believe you have orthodoxy. If I can ask 12 mormons the same questions and get the same answer, then I’ll believe you have orthodoxy.