Could the next pope ordain women as priests?

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Of course the pope can change things - that goes without saying - to increase membership of the catholic church that may not be a bad move - what Jesus did or did not say about the potential for women ordination is debated. The gospels were written at a very different time from today and do have a very ‘masculine’ view of the world.

If a pope can resign for pastures new then he can easily change catholic doctrine to allow female priests.
 
aprilfloyd said:
Of course the pope can change things - that goes without saying - to increase membership of the catholic church that may not be a bad move - what Jesus did or did not say about the potential for women ordination is debated. The gospels were written at a very different time from today and do have a very ‘masculine’ view of the world.

If a pope can resign for pastures new then he can easily change catholic doctrine to allow female priests.
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Apples and oranges.

Jesus has already spoken through the Holy Spirit and the Church.

Do you really think that the God/man who suffered and died for us (itself an INCREDIBLE teaching, totally new), was unable to initiate female priests, had He wished to?

Revisionist history will, as time goes on, be shown to be far more a product of its’ times’ than Christ’s eternal and unchanging Truth, which the Church still preaches.
 
1ke said:
Yes, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis is an ex cathedra statement.
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in addition, as I apparently have to keep reminding some others (not you, 1ke!), infallible truths are not ALL the product of ‘ex cathedra’ statements. IOW, while every ex cathedra statement is an infallible teaching, they are not the ONLY infallible teachings.

IOW, a Catholic cannot say that the ONLY teachings he or she believes are infallible would have to be ‘ex cathdra’ statements, and anything ‘else’ couldn’t be infallible. That would be wrong.
 
It looks like these posters have answered your question and then some. 😉 Read the responses carefully and you will see why a Pope cannot ordain women as priests. As someone else said, take it up with Christ! 😜
 
captainmike said:
You’re giving the reason why JPII and Benedict said what they said. Understand that. Why couldn’t a subsequent Pope disagree, though?
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even if the Church “wanted” to ordain women as priests, they can’t. The Church does not have the power to do so. Christ chose to be born a man. He chose all men for His Priesthood because Priests act In Persona Christi (in the person of Christ). It is a physical impossibility for a female to act in the person of Christ.
 
SaintPatrick333 said:
even if the Church “wanted” to ordain women as priests, they can’t. The Church does not have the power to do so. Christ chose to be born a man. He chose all men for His Priesthood because Priests act In Persona Christi (in the person of Christ). It is a physical impossibility for a female to act in the person of Christ.
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It is debated by most religious people that Jesus was not a ‘son of god’ - the catholic church can change it’s position on anything - you are being purposefully misleading here.
 
SaintPatrick333 said:
even if the Church “wanted” to ordain women as priests, they can’t. The Church does not have the power to do so. Christ chose to be born a man. He chose all men for His Priesthood because Priests act In Persona Christi (in the person of Christ). It is a physical impossibility for a female to act in the person of Christ.
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Tantum_ergo said:
Apples and oranges.

Jesus has already spoken through the Holy Spirit and the Church.

Do you really think that the God/man who suffered and died for us (itself an INCREDIBLE teaching, totally new), was unable to initiate female priests, had He wished to?

Revisionist history will, as time goes on, be shown to be far more a product of its’ times’ than Christ’s eternal and unchanging Truth, which the Church still preaches.
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You are being disingenuous here - it is debated whether Jesus was a son of god by most religious people - you should at least admit that - therefore there is no reason why woman could not be ordained - in any religon
 
aprilfloyd said:
It is debated by most religious people that Jesus was not a ‘son of god’ - the catholic church can change it’s position on anything - you are being purposefully misleading here.
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“Most” Really. I don’t think so. That Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. You are presenting only your opinion which is founded on what? Certainly not truth.
 
aprilfloyd said:
You are being disingenuous here - it is debated whether Jesus was a son of god by most religious people - you should at least admit that - therefore there is no reason why woman could not be ordained - in any religon
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There are some people who say that Jesus wasn’t God. You are being disingenuous that because there is some who deny truth that it isn’t truth. God said so that is enough of a reason and since Adam and Eve there have been those who tell God what they will do and tell God that they will not be obedient. The Holy Spirit protects the Church from error.
 
I would never describe Jesus as 'shy, ’

I cited - Joseph Ratzinger as it was commonly believed that popes did not resign as they were in some - special religious position that required death in the job. Catholic scholars now scurry to find methods of defending his decision in religious terms instead of just seeing it as it is - . He was tired of the job and rightly so - at his age and wanted to retire - and may he enjoy it.

I appreciate that it is in the nature of religion to purport their doctrines to be sacrosanct - but all that is lacking to change it is the will to put women on an equal footing
 
Another thing to keep in mind is that Ordinatio Sacerdotalis is not in the same vein as an ex cathedra statement. Ex cathedra statements are acts of the extraordinary magisterium, along the lines of Ecumenical Councils. However, something that has been taught always, and everywhere, and by everyone, like that ordination is reserved to men only, are acts of the ordinary and universal migisterium. They are still infallible acts with inerrant teaching.
Dubium: Whether the teaching that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women, which is presented in the Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis to be held definitively, is to be understood as belonging to the deposit of faith.
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Responsum: Affirmative.
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This teaching requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium (cf. Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen Gentium 25, 2). Thus, in the present circumstances, the Roman Pontiff, exercising his proper office of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32), has handed on this same teaching by a formal declaration, explicitly stating what is to be held always, everywhere, and by all, as belonging to the deposit of the faith.
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The Sovereign Pontiff John Paul II, at the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, approved this Reply, adopted in the Ordinary Session of this Congregation, and ordered it to be published.
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Rome, from the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, on the Feast of the Apostles SS. Simon and Jude, October 28, 1995.
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Joseph Card. Ratzinger
Prefect
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adrift said:
There are some people who say that Jesus wasn’t God. You are being disingenuous that because there is some who deny truth that it isn’t truth. God said so that is enough of a reason and since Adam and Eve there have been those who tell God what they will do and tell God that they will not be obedient. The Holy Spirit protects the Church from error.
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Hi adrift - that sounds like an old fashioned cop out.
 
aprilfloyd said:
I would never describe Jesus as 'shy, ’

I cited - Joseph Ratzinger as it was commonly believed that popes did not resign as they were in some - special religious position that required death in the job. Catholic scholars now scurry to find methods of defending his decision in religious terms instead of just seeing it as it is - . He was tired of the job and rightly so - at his age and wanted to retire - and may he enjoy it.

I appreciate that it is in the nature of religion to purport their doctrines to be sacrosanct - but all that is lacking to change it is the will to put women on an equal footing
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adrift said:
There are some people who say that Jesus wasn’t God. You are being disingenuous that because there is some who deny truth that it isn’t truth. God said so that is enough of a reason and since Adam and Eve there have been those who tell God what they will do and tell God that they will not be obedient. The Holy Spirit protects the Church from error.
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Sorry adrift - I apologise you were being sarcastic - I am tired and missed it - Adam and Eve!! 😉
 
aprilfloyd said:
It is debated by most religious people that Jesus was not a ‘son of god’ - the catholic church can change it’s position on anything - you are being purposefully misleading here.
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No, the Church cannot. The person who is being deliberately misleading here, is you.
 
aprilfloyd said:
I would never describe Jesus as 'shy, ’

I cited - Joseph Ratzinger as it was commonly believed that popes did not resign as they were in some - special religious position that required death in the job. Catholic scholars now scurry to find methods of defending his decision in religious terms instead of just seeing it as it is - . He was tired of the job and rightly so - at his age and wanted to retire - and may he enjoy it.

I appreciate that it is in the nature of religion to purport their doctrines to be sacrosanct - but all that is lacking to change it is the will to put women on an equal footing
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Read about the retirement of Pope St Celestine V (1215 – 19 May 1296): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Celestine_V#Retirement.2C_death.2C_and_canonization
 
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