Could this married feminist be the Catholic Church's first woman cardinal?

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gilliam said:
However all cardinals do hold holy orders; which would exclude a female becoming a cardinal.
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That too is part of Canon Law and could be changed. In fact, there have been Cardinals in the past who did not have Holy Orders.

They were all men though, and thus not only able to vote in a conclave, but could assume the Chair of Peter if elected (subject to the reception of Holy Orders)
 
Brendan said:
That too is part of Canon Law and could be changed. In fact, there have been Cardinals in the past who did not have Holy Orders.

They were all men though, and thus not only able to vote in a conclave, but could assume the Chair of Peter if elected (subject to the reception of Holy Orders)
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I am pretty sure even the “lay cardinals” in the past held “first tonsure” positions (minor orders) in the Church. Which, of course, meant they really weren’t laymen.
 
gilliam said:
Cardinal is not a step in a ordained hierarchy. It is a separate office. However under current canon law a cardinal must be made a bishop after taking the office. This can (and has) been dispensed with by the pope in individual cases. However all cardinals do hold holy orders; which would exclude a female becoming a cardinal.
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And whether it could be done or whether it should be done are two separate questions. I say it shouldn’t because it will most likely lead to the first female anti-pope. This will cause further division and confusion among Catholics which is exactly what Satan wants.
 
This is nonsense. Women cannot be Cardinals.

And yes, this is just another attempt to confuse Catholics. Won’t work.

Peace,
Ed
 
Brendan said:
That too is part of Canon Law and could be changed. In fact, there have been Cardinals in the past who did not have Holy Orders.

They were all men though, and thus not only able to vote in a conclave, but could assume the Chair of Peter if elected (subject to the reception of Holy Orders)
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Well, techincally any baptized man can be elected Pope, so… Yeah.
 
DaddyGirl said:
I guess we’ll see if the Pope is “satisfied with that” or not.

Also, I don’t understand why the newspaper is calling this woman a “feminist”.
They report only a few lines about her and…she seems to be someone who believes in rights and equality for both genders…not more so for women than men.

That word doesn’t make sense anymore, it’s so archaic.

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I have read her CV. She is a hardcore feminist having published papers and done research in the area of Feminist Studies and Gender Relations. I do not know for sure, but with credentials like hers I doubt very much she holds an orthodox faith. She would be the last person Francis or any other Pope appoints to any position at all with doctrinal barriers such as that.
 
livingwordunity said:
Why are some people so obsessed with this? The Church is called SHE, and the greatest of all saints in the Church is a woman. A woman, our Blessed Mother, is above all the Popes. Be satisfied with that.
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Women should be satisfied in their place, which is to be honored and respected… but only in a figurative sort-of way, not so that you would really notice it or anything. As long as we call the Church ‘she’ and praise the Blessed Mother, it doesn’t matter so much how we treat the real women that we interact with from day to day.
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Elizium23:
I have read her CV. She is a hardcore feminist having published papers and done research in the area of Feminist Studies and Gender Relations.
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The fact that she is concerned about women’s rights really throws up a red flag.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
The fact that she is concerned about women’s rights really throws up a red flag.
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The fact that you:
(1) repeatedly imply on this forum that the Church doesn’t care about women’s rights
and that you
(2) forever apply a secular model to Roman Catholic Church governance
and that you
(3) categorize Church governance as something to which women have a “right”

really throws up a red flag. 😉

But have a nice day. 🙂
 
Elizium23 said:
This blog post has been updated with Vatican reaction. There you have it folks, this is “nonsense” and “not a realistic possibility”. Thanks to the OP for stirring the pot of dissent again.
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Phew, that’s a relief. The thought of a woman in a position of power? shivers

We need to uphold authentic Catholic teaching.
 
gilliam said:
Cardinal is not a step in a ordained hierarchy. It is a separate office. However under current canon law a cardinal must be made a bishop after taking the office. This can (and has) been dispensed with by the pope in individual cases. However all cardinals do hold holy orders; which would exclude a female becoming a cardinal.
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This. Unlike women’s ordination, this is theoretically possible, and can be effected by changing Canon Law. But it’s unlikely.
 
You can’t be a Cardinal unless you are ordained and Linda Hogan would not be ordained, therefore not a Cardinal.
 
_Abyssinia said:
You can’t be a Cardinal unless you are ordained and Linda Hogan would not be ordained, therefore not a Cardinal.
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If you see above, there have been Cardinals who have not been Ordained.

Since that is a matter of Canon Law, it is possible for the Pope to dispense with that Canon in a particular case, or remove it from Canon Law entirely.

I DO consider that move to be both unlikely and unwise, but it is technically possible.
 
livingwordunity said:
The problem is that there are too many Catholics who think that the Catholic Church is a man-made institution and not divine in origin. They think that whatever the Pope decides is just his opinion. And they think that the Catholic Church should work like a democracy and “get with the times”. If this were not the case they would have accepted it when the Pope said that women can’t be ordained. But they never accepted it. If those Catholics are combined with the rest of the secular world that agrees with them there would be a potential for “might makes right” and them attempting to take the papacy by force and installing the first female anti-pope. I think that’s what is behind the “woman cardinal” idea. Radical feminists have convinced many women that men are the enemy. Satan has divided us by creating a “war of the sexes” and pitting women against men. It’s the tactic of divide and conquer. This is a spiritual war.
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Even if the Pope allows for female Cardinal, there could NEVER be a female Pope. The Pope is the Bishop of Rome. The College of Cardinals are the electing body and advisors to the Pope. Currently, we have 3 ranks of Cardinals and 3 main functions:

Tiers:
  • Cardinal-Bishops (become CB by being appointed Bishop of one of the 6 suburbicarian dioceses or any Eastern Patriarchs who has been named a Cardinal
  • Cardinal-Priests (most Cardinals. They include the Archbishops who are Cardinals and some mid to senior members of the Roman Curia)
  • Cardinal-Deacons (typically, new Cardinals from Roman Curia or Cardinals named after their 80th birthday)
The “functions” are:
  • Archbishops
  • Roman Curia
  • retired Archbishops and/or Cardinals over 80
In the past, there used to be Lay Cardinals, but the last time we had one was in the 1899. However, I read that in the 1960’s the Pope actually considered appointing a Lay Cardinal. If the Pope changes the current canon law, in theory a female could become a Cardinal. But they can’t become a Pope because the Pope is a Bishop. The “Cardinal” rank is an honorific, not an ordained order.

I would GUESS that if Pope names a “female Cardinal”, we would also name at least one “lay male cardinal.” I would imagine that Lay Cardinals would be a 4th rank of Cardinals (“Cardinal-Lay”??) or be part of the “Cardinal-Deacons”

In the end, Female Cardinals are possible. Female Popes or Bishops are not possible.
 
_Abyssinia said:
You can’t be a Cardinal unless you are ordained and Linda Hogan would not be ordained, therefore not a Cardinal.
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Not totally true. The current canon law requires Bishops only to be Cardinals, but that is not Dogma. It can be changed. In the 1960s, the Pope considered appointing a Lay man as a Cardinal. The last lay Cardinal died in 1899.
 
phil19034 said:
Not totally true. The current canon law requires Bishops only to be Cardinals, but that is not Dogma. It can be changed. In the 1960s, the Pope considered appointing a Lay man as a Cardinal. The last lay Cardinal died in 1899.
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Cardinal Avery Dulles was not a bishop. He died in 2008
Many of the recent non-bishop Cardinals have been Jesuits.
 
gilliam said:
Cardinal Avery Dulles was not a bishop. He died in 2008
Many of the recent non-bishop Cardinals have been Jesuits.
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Cardinal Dulles recieved papal dispensation to refrain from being ordained a bishop. the Jesuits have a practice of seeking the papal dispensation of refusing the “automatic appointment as bishop” which comes with an appointment as Cardinal.

So while these Cardnials are never ordained as bishops, it was offered to them.

NOTE: this obviously doesn’t include Jesuits who are appointed as Bishop of a Diocese
 
Vatican dismisses reports of women cardinals
The Holy See yesterday dismissed as “nonsense” weekend Irish media reports that Pope Francis might nominate two Irish women as cardinals.
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Responding to reports in Irish and Irish-American media that Pope Francis might name both TCD ecumenics Prof Linda Hogan and former president Mary McAleese as cardinals at a future conclave, senior Vatican spokesman Fr Federico Lombardi said: “This is just nonsense . . . It is simply not a realistic possibility that Pope Francis will name women cardinals for the February consistory.
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“Theologically and theoretically, it is possible,” he added. “Being a cardinal is one of those roles in the church for which, theoretically, you do not have to be ordained but to move from there to suggesting the pope will name women cardinals for the next consistory is not remotely realistic.”
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I have said a few times on here that I did not think a woman could be a Cardinal, but I was wrong. But just because it is theroetically possible that a woman could be a Cardinal does not mean it will ever happen.
 
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