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Someone I know is spreading all over that Mary cheated on Joseph and made up religion to cover it up. We here believe that isn’t true. What is the best possible counter argument I should make to this person? Because this is really bothering me
 
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Yea that’s what I was thinking but u know the saying. “It’s tough to win an argument against an intellectual, but it’s impossible to win an argument against an idiot.” I can’t win this one rotfl
 
Yea that’s what I was thinking but u know the saying. “It’s tough to win an argument against an intellectual, but it’s impossible to win an argument against an idiot.” I can’t win this one rotfl
There’s nothing to “win” if this person holds unsubstantiated claims as evidence.

But either way, apart from your friends unsupported claim is the absurdity that someone would think that the best way to cover up her supposed infidelity was by claiming the child was from God instead of saying the child was a product of rape, a lie used by women for thousands of years.
 
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“Someone” sounds rather ignorant, if not malicious. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Ask for it.
 
After questioning it on social media they unadded me rotfl. Couldn’t counter
 
If someone could be accused of making up a religion, why would it be Mary? Her and Joseph got married and lived their life together. They didn’t start a religion. Nothing happened until 30 years later when Jesus was at a wedding and barrels of water became wine.

Now when you look at how many Christian denominations exist in the world, I wonder who’s making something up.
 
Remember this is our time of decision. Are we with Jesus or not?
There are many who will be answering ‘not’.

Our Blessed Mother at Fatima asked for prayers that sinners be converted. That’s really where the heavy lifting is happening. Pray and offer your daily tasks for this intention, united with Christ’s passion. This is how we can most impact the world. That person spreading stories of Mary may not be convinced with an argument, but there are people today in the world who are reconsidering the Gospel and their hearts are ready to receive the good news that it is. And it is very good news.
 
Assuming that your friend is a non-believer (like me) I would advise pointing out that while it is impossible on the basis of material evidence to prove that the virgin birth took place neither is it possible to establish that it did not.

That is because the assertion cannot be tested. It is said to have occurred but it was never observed in a scientific way and cannot be replicated. So it’s a ‘faith belief’ and beyond argument based on scientific observation.

If like all non-believers your friend assumes that Jesus was conceived like us all then there are a range of possible explanations as to why the scriptural account could have been written.

His or her guess is no more open to debate on a rational basis than the Catholic belief. The best a non-believer can say is: ‘miracles do not happen, therefore this did not happen. But some people said it did’. We don’t know why they said it did. They may have believed it, or told it as a ‘fitting’ way of illustrating their belief in Jesus’ divine nature, or they may have deduced it from their belief he was divine, thinking that if he was divine must have been conceived in that way.

Bart Ehrman, my favourite agnostic biblical scholar has pointed out one aspect of the story that is unique: although these are many, many stories of ‘virgin births’ of important or mythological figures in the ancient world, the story of Jesus is the only one in which a god does not actually have sex with the virgin. There is no other story, he says, of any virgin becoming pregnant without any direct involvement in a physical sense with a god.
 
I got hit with this once. My response:

“Oh my! That’s quite the conspiracy theory! So she successfully convinced her husband and son that the latter was the son of God and had to die of a Roman torture method in order to rise from the dead? And she rallied up some people to chronicle it?”

It’s pretty absurd, when you pick apart the logistics.
 
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Greetings,

If my friend came to me tomorrow, and said that his girlfriend is pregnant, but that they didn’t have sex I would think of only two possibilities:
  • Either he is lying and they did have sex
    OR
  • She cheated on him
If someone suggests that the girlfriend became spontaneously pregnant, then that claim, being so extraordinary, would require extraordinary evidence. The burden of proof is on the individual making the claim, and the claim is that the girlfriend became pregnant without a father.

If anyone wishes to believe someone who allegedly claimed that they became pregnant without a father is telling the truth, then that is their prerogative.

Peace,

The Antitheist
 
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Missing something.

Mary had both a supernatural Spouse and Christ most certainly had a Father - also your Father, actually.

You, of course, need not admit this at this point in your life. I must also point out that your Christian closing of “Peace” is at apparent odds with your worldview.

Pax et Bonum
 
Someone I know is spreading all over that Mary cheated on Joseph and made up religion to cover it up. We here believe that isn’t true.
It’s not spreading very far, I’ve never heard this statement before… sorry that made me laugh. ROFL.

I do like @edward_george1, comment… “Prove It”

Besides if anyone was suspected of being the father of Jesus other then Joseph, wouldn’t Mary have been stoned to death?
 
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It was fatal to even touch the OT Ark of the Covenant if one was not a priest/Levite. (eg. 1 Samuel 6:19 and 2nd Samuel 6:2-7) If God considered it that serious to violate the OT Ark of the Covenant, consider how serious it is when someone disrespects the New Testament Ark of the Covenant - Mary, the fulfillment of the OT “type”.
We need to pray for the conversion of those who denigrate her in any way.
 
Greetings Po18,

If my wife told me she was impregnated by her “supernatural spouse” I think I would be a little hesitant to believe her! Naturally, virtually anyone could suggest to their partner that their pregnancy was the result of something “supernatural”, and ultimately, it’s up to the male partner as to whether or not they wish to believe the female’s claim. As to my closing with peace, I don’t know if I would describe it as necessarily Christian, although I will happily grant you that it has undeniably Christian origins:

Pax Vobis,

The Antitheist
 
I don’t think Joseph believed her.

He was going to try to politely and gently refuse to marry her. Joseph was a righteous man, so he didn’t want to hurt Mary, he did want to protect her the best way he could but he wasn’t going to marry her, until he was visited by an angel… so Joseph did doubt what Mary said about her pregnancy, she was just saved by God, who sent an angel to tell Joseph what Mary said was true and he had to protect her and the baby named Jesus… so he did.

I don’t think anyone ever doubted that Joseph was the father of Mary’s baby, they were betrothed to each other, to some it was as if they were already married.

Joseph saved Mary’s life by marrying her.
 
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Ah, missing something again!

It was not prophesied that your wife would bear a child while being and remaining a virgin.

Bit of a difference, eh?
 
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