Crimeans Who Ushered in the Russians Now Have to Live With Their Choice

[Son_of_Niall]

You do realize that the Americans fought a civil war to end slavery, right? And the U.S. did not SLAUGHTER 100 million Amerindians (were there even that many Indians back then), many died from diseases.

Brush up on your history, the Civil War was not about ending slavery. Lincoln and northerners didn’t give a fig about African Americans.
Secondly, the original inhabitants of North America are referred to as “native Americans”, not “Amerindians”, whatever that is. Otherwise they like to be referred to by whatever tribe they belonged to.
As to how many we killed, after a million does it really make a difference?
And those diseases were brought here by Europeans, in many cases, spread deliberately to “Ethnically cleanse” the New World.

Sorry for the diversion, back to the OP.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Brush up on your history, the Civil War was not about ending slavery. Lincoln and northerners didn’t give a fig about African Americans.
Secondly, the original inhabitants of North America are referred to as “native Americans”, not “Amerindians”, whatever that is. Otherwise they like to be referred to by whatever tribe they belonged to.
As to how many we killed, after a million does it really make a difference?
And those diseases were brought here by Europeans, in many cases, spread deliberately to “Ethnically cleanse” the New World.

Sorry for the diversion, back to the OP.

Why not supply the inaugural address of Lincoln delivered on March 4, 1861. Educate us.

 

[Ridgerunner]

If anyone is opposed to armed conquest and slavery, she should not step a foot inside the USA. Some estimates are that one hundred million native American Indians were slaughtered in one of the largest conquests of a people in history.

There were never 100 million American Indians in North America north of the Rio Grande. Among the estimates, the low seems to be about one million and the high about 18 million. The greatest killer of Indians by far was disease brought by Europeans and Africans, to which the Indians had little or no resistance. But that was inevitable. Sooner or later, Europeans or Africans would have traveled to the Americas or Indians would have traveled to Europe or Africa. Europe, Asia and Africa largely shared the same diseases.

Likely the biggest killing event in the U.S. (Mexico had its own) was the exploratory travel of De Soto. The Spaniards, on expedition, always brought a food supply of live hogs with them. Hogs can largely self-sustain in almost any conditions and reproduce rapidly, providing a food supply. Inevitably some would escape because hogs are not strongly herd animals like cattle are. Hogs can carry almost any human disease, and do. Interestingly, De Soto’s chronicler, a monk, described enormous cities along the Mississippi River. When the French explorers went up the Mississippi 200 years later, they found an almost uninhabited wilderness. The “Cahokia mounds” near St. Louis bear mute witness to the fact that there were once large agricultural communities in the Mississippi Valley that had mysteriously disappeared before any white man arrived. Disease had long preceded them.

So, you can blame De Soto or perhaps hogs for the death toll among Indians in the U.S. But there really isn’t much blame to put because it would have eventually happened anyway. One Aztec boat to Africa or one Tlingit boat to Korea and back would have had the same result.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Secondly, the original inhabitants of North America are referred to as “native Americans”, not “Amerindians”, whatever that is. Otherwise they like to be referred to by whatever tribe they belonged to.
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Because my daughter is an anthropologist, I have read some of her books. “Amerindians” or just “Amerinds” is a generic term commonly used in anthropology to refer to pre-Columbian inhabitants of the Americas, anywhere and at any time. In perhaps most cases, the study in question deals with people who lived so long ago that tribal names, if they had them, are long lost to history. You don’t have to go back very far to find artifacts from groups of Amerinds whose tribal name nobody knows or will ever know. Basically, the only known tribal names are the ones in use when white men came to the Americas. And many of those are not rendered correctly.

Among Indians today, or people who are part Indian (and there are lots of those) some might object to the term “Indians”, but most don’t, at least around here, and I live very close to Oklahoma where the “Indian Nations” are.

 

[AnastasiaRomano]

When I went all of the hotels I stayed in took care of the visa registration for me, no problem at all. I believe that it only becomes a bureaucratic nightmare if you’re staying with friends or for some reason need to register your visa yourself. And like you experienced, you need to have your documents available and on your person at all times or else be prepared to be fined.

And another big thing is under no circumstances overstay your visa. It isn’t like most countries where you pay a small fine and then are free to go. If you overstay you will not be allowed to leave the country until you apply for an extension. You will also have the problem of finding a hotel that will rent to you and register you without a valid visa.

One change that occurred within the past few years is that registration is now electronic. Hotels register their foreign guests as before, but now there’s no paper with registration stamp in your passport. If you are staying somewhere other than a hotel you still get the piece of paper with a registration stamp. This makes it more difficult for local police officers to check if you are registered (they’d have to call to check a computer system), and has IMO the salutary effect of making it more difficult for corrupt officers to shake down tourists for alleged violations of visa law.

Kyiv is so much different than Moscow in this regard, FWIW. In my trips to Moscow, I saw countless people (both those who looked “foreign” in their ethnicity and those who didn’t) being asked to show their documents. In all the time I spent in Kyiv, I never once saw a police officer asking anyone to show their documents. The cities had entirely different “feels” about them – Kyiv felt far more open and welcoming to tourists.

And of course, Americans can go to Ukraine for 90 out of every 180 days without needing a visa, so it’s easier for Americans to travel to Ukraine than it is to travel to Russia.

 

[Tomdstone]

The greatest killer of Indians by far was disease brought by Europeans and Africans, to which the Indians had little or no resistance. But that was inevitable. Sooner or later, Europeans or Africans would have traveled to the Americas or Indians would have traveled to Europe or Africa. Europe, Asia and Africa largely shared the same diseases.

“In 1493, when Columbus returned to the Hispaniola, he quickly implemented policies of slavery and mass extermination of the Taino population of the Caribbean. Within three years, five million were dead. Las Casas, the primary historian of the Columbian era, writes of many accounts of the horrors that the Spanish colonists inflicted upon the indigenous population: hanging them en mass, hacking their children into pieces to be used as dog feed, and other horrid cruelties. The works of Las Casas are often omitted from popular American history books and courses because Columbus is considered a hero by many, even today.
Mass killing did not cease, however, after Columbus departed. Expansion of the European colonies led to similar genocides. “Indian Removal” policy was put into action to clear the land for white settlers. Methods for the removal included slaughter of villages by the military and also biological warfare. High death rates resulted from forced marches to relocate the Indians.”
iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html

 

[Tomdstone]

You do realize that the Americans fought a civil war to end slavery, right?

No, it is wrong. Some Americans in the northern states did oppose slavery. However, there were many Americans in the south who fought to save the confederacy which supported the legalisation of slavery. And even today, Americans have hundreds of monuments dedicated to the Confederacy and to those who fought to preserve the Confederacy which supported the enslavement of innocent people.
For example, in Arkansas, we see (from wikipedia):
Arkadelphia Confederate Monument, Arkadelphia, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Clark County, Arkansas
Batesville Confederate Monument, Batesville, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Independence County, Arkansas
Bentonville Confederate Monument, Bentonville, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Benton County, Arkansas
Camden Confederate Monument, Camden, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Ouachita County, Arkansas
Clarksville Confederate Monument, Clarksville, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Johnson County, Arkansas
Conway Confederate Monument, Conway, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Faulkner County, Arkansas
Dardanelle Confederate Monument, Dardanelle, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Yell County, Arkansas
El Dorado Confederate Monument, El Dorado, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Union County, Arkansas
Ft. Smith Confederate Monument, Ft. Smith, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Sebastian County, Arkansas
Hot Springs Confederate Monument, Hot Springs, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Garland County, Arkansas
Lake Village Confederate Monument, Lake Village, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Chicot County, Arkansas
Monument to Confederate Women (or “Mother of the South”), Arkansas State Capitol grounds, Little Rock, Arkansas. Unviled in 1913. Statue depicts a mother and daughter saying good-bye to their 16-year-old son and brother who is leaving to join his father in the fighting.[14]
Lonoke Confederate Monument, Lonoke, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Lonoke County, Arkansas
Monticello Confederate Monument, Monticello, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Drew County, Arkansas
Jackson Guards Memorial, Newport, Arkansas, built in 1914. Monument consists of a statue of a single Confederate soldier and a roster of the men who served in the Jackson Guards and the slaves who supported them. The only Confederate monument in Arkansas built entirely with funds raised by private subscription.[14]
Pine Bluff Confederate Monument, Pine Bluff, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Jefferson County, Arkansas
Searcy Confederate Monument, Searcy, Arkansas. Erected in 1917 on the grounds of the White County courhouse. Listed on the National Register of Historic Places in White County, Arkansas. Consists of a statue of a Confederate soldier.[14]
Star City Confederate Memorial, Star City, Arkansas. Erected in 1926 in the courthouse grounds, moved in 1943 and moved again to original position on town square in the 1990s. Listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Lincoln County, Arkansas. Consists of a statue of a Confederate soldier.[14]
Van Buren Confederate Monument, Van Buren, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Crawford County, Arkansas
Washington Confederate Monument, Washington, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Hempstead County, Arkansas
In Kentucky we see:
Confederate Monument in Augusta, Augusta, Kentucky
Confederate Monument of Bardstown, Bardstown, Kentucky
Confederate Monument of Bowling Green, Bowling Green, Kentucky
Confederate Monument of Cadiz, Cadiz, Kentucky
Confederate Monument at Crab Orchard, Crab Orchard, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Cynthiana, Cynthiana, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Danville, Danville, Kentucky
Confederate Soldiers Martyrs Monument, Eminence, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Frankfort, Frankfort, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Georgetown, Georgetown, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Glasgow, Glascow, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Harrodsburg, Harrodsburg, Kentucky
Confederate Memorial Fountain, Hopkinsville, Kentucky
Latham Confederate Monument, Hopkinsville, Kentucky
Unknown Confederate Soldier Monument, Horse Cave, Kentucky
Confederate Martyrs Monument, Jeffersontown, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Lawrenceburg, Lawrenceburg, Kentucky
John Hunt Morgan Memorial, Lexington, Kentucky
Ladies’ Confederate Memorial, Lexington, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky
Confederate Memorial in Mayfield, Mayfield, Kentucky
Confederate Memorial Gates in Mayfield, Mayfield, Kentucky
Martyrs Monument, Midway, Kentucky
Confederate Monument of Morganfield, Morganfield, Kentucky
Confederate Monument of Mt. Sterling, Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Murray, Murray, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Owensboro, Owensboro, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Owingsville, Owingsville, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Paducah, Paducah, Kentucky
Bourbon County Confederate Monument, Paris, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Perryville, Perryville, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Russellville, Russellville, Kentucky
Confederate Mass Grave Monument, Somerset, Kentucky
Confederate Monument in Versailles, Versailles, Kentucky
That’s only two states. How many other states have monuments dedicated to the Confederacy?
See:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_monuments

 

[GaryTaylor]

We are taking love your neighbor lessons from Putin. Like he said, without the gossip it would be “boring”.

 

[Tomdstone]

There were never 100 million American Indians in North America north of the Rio Grande. Among the estimates, the low seems to be about one million and the high about 18 million.

American Holocaust: D. Stannard (Oxford Press, 1992) - “over 100 million killed”

 

[josie_L]

American Holocaust: D. Stannard (Oxford Press, 1992) - “over 100 million killed”

According to one reviewer on Amazon who actually read the book:

The peoples of the Americas numbered around “145,000,000 for the hemisphere as a WHOLE and about 18,000,000 for the area north of Mexico.”

amazon.com/American-Holocaust-The-Conquest-World/product-reviews/0195085574/ref=cm_cr_dp_qt_hist_three?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addThreeStar&showViewpoints=0

In other words, it was physically impossible for Americans to have killed 100 million people because there were only 18 million that lived north of Mexico.

p.s. The next time you site a book make sure to read it or at least quote it properly.

 

[josie_L]

No, it is wrong.

No, I’m not, it’s an historical fact that a civil war won by the Union ended slavery (you may question the motives of this or that person, but the end result is what it is).

 

[josie_L]

Brush up on your history, the Civil War was not about ending slavery. Lincoln and northerners didn’t give a fig about African Americans.
Secondly, the original inhabitants of North America are referred to as “native Americans”, not “Amerindians”, whatever that is. Otherwise they like to be referred to by whatever tribe they belonged to.
As to how many we killed, after a million does it really make a difference?
And those diseases were brought here by Europeans, in many cases, spread deliberately to “Ethnically cleanse” the New World.

Sorry for the diversion, back to the OP.

I’m Canadian for the umpteenth time, so it’s not MY history, moreover, I would advise you to be a little less biased in your interpretation of history (it’s very leftist). And the civil war did end SLAVERY, or am I mistaken in believing that it no longer exists??

Moreover, it is a packet of liberal/leftist lies that Europeans deliberately infected blankets with the small pox in order to ethnically cleanse the lands of AMERINDIANS (which is what I believe you are referring to).

p.s. So you know that Amerindian is a perfectly valid term:

The indigenous peoples of the Americas are the pre-Columbian inhabitants of the Americas, and their descendants. Pueblos indígenas (indigenous peoples) is a common term in Spanish-speaking countries, with the equivalent povos indígenas in Portuguese. Aborigen[23] (aboriginal/native) is used sometimes, whereas “Amerindian” is used in most countries (’ or amerindios in Spanish and ’ in Portuguese). Indigenous peoples are commonly known in Canada as Aboriginal peoples, which include First Nations, Inuit, and Métis peoples.[24] Indigenous peoples of the United States are commonly known as Native Americans or American Indians, and Alaska Natives.[25] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

 

[Tomdstone]

According to one reviewer on Amazon who actually read the book:

Professor “Stannard graduated magna cum laude from San Francisco State University in 1971. He then went to Yale and obtained an M.A. degree in history (1972), a Master of Philosophy in American Studies (1973), and a Ph.D. in American Studies in 1975. He has taught at Yale University, Stanford University, the University of Colorado, and the University of Hawaii. He has lectured throughout the United States, in Europe, and in Asia.” “According to Guenter Lewy, Stannard’s perspective has been joined by scholars Kirkpatrick Sale, Ben Kiernan, Lenore A. Stiffarm, Phil Lane, Jr., and Ward Churchill.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stannard
Rather than taking the word of an anonymous reviewer on Amazon, I would prefer to listen to experts and scholars on the subject, such as for example: Kirkpatrick Sale, Ben Kiernan, Lenore A. Stiffarm, Phil Lane, Jr., and Ward Churchill.

 

[Tomdstone]

No, I’m not, it’s an historical fact that a civil war won by the Union ended slavery (you may question the motives of this or that person, but the end result is what it is).

You are forgetting about the one million American confederate soldiers who fought on the side of the Confederacy which supported slavery. Have you heard about the American confederate soldiers Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee? Also, you are forgetting about the hundreds of American monuments, existing today, which are dedicated to the Confederacy which supported slavery.

 

[josie_L]

Professor “Stannard graduated magna cum laude from San Francisco State University in 1971. He then went to Yale and obtained an M.A. degree in history (1972), a Master of Philosophy in American Studies (1973), and a Ph.D. in American Studies in 1975. He has taught at Yale University, Stanford University, the University of Colorado, and the University of Hawaii. He has lectured throughout the United States, in Europe, and in Asia.” “According to Guenter Lewy, Stannard’s perspective has been joined by scholars Kirkpatrick Sale, Ben Kiernan, Lenore A. Stiffarm, Phil Lane, Jr., and Ward Churchill.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stannard
Rather than taking the word of an anonymous reviewer on Amazon, I would prefer to listen to experts and scholars on the subject, such as for example: Kirkpatrick Sale, Ben Kiernan, Lenore A. Stiffarm, Phil Lane, Jr., and Ward Churchill.

“Experts” whose books you haven’t read, i.e., the reviewer quoted Stannard’s book!!!

p.s. And Ward Churchill is a fraud, i.e., he’s no expert.

 

[josie_L]

You are forgetting about the one million American confederate soldiers who fought on the side of the Confederacy which supported slavery. Have you heard about the American confederate soldiers Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee? Also, you are forgetting about the hundreds of American monuments, existing today, which are dedicated to the Confederacy which supported slavery.

Did slavery end after the civil war, yes or no? It’s a simple question really.

 

[Tomdstone]

Did slavery end after the civil war, yes or no? It’s a simple question really.

No.
This is a new question, not the same as asked above, but no, slavery did not end after the civil war. The Thirteenth Amendment of the US Constitution, while abolishing slavery and involuntary servitude generally, nevertheless it expressly permits slavery as a punishment for crime. Convict leasing was still allowed: “It was a form of bondage distinctly different from that of the antebellum South in that for most men, and the relatively few women drawn in, this slavery did not last a lifetime and did not automatically extend from one generation to the next. But it was nonetheless slavery – a system in which armies of free men, guilty of no crimes and entitled by law to freedom, were compelled to labor without compensation, were repeatedly bought and sold, and were forced to do the bidding of white masters through the regular application of extraordinary physical coercion.” - Douglas A. Blackmon
And even today there are tens of millions of people trapped in various forms of slavery throughout the world. “Researchers estimate that 21 to 36 million are enslaved worldwide, generating $150 billion each year in illicit profits for traffickers.
Labor Slavery. About 78 percent toil in forced labor slavery in industries where manual labor is needed—such as farming, ranching, logging, mining, fishing, and brick making—and in service industries working as dish washers, janitors, gardeners, and maids.
Sex Slavery. About 22 percent are trapped in forced prostitution sex slavery.
Child Slavery. About 26 percent of today’s slaves are children.”
freetheslaves.net/about-slavery/slavery-today/

Further, why are there so many official American monuments standing even today which are dedicated to the Confederacy which supported slavery? Why do Americans today so love the Confederacy in which slavery was legal?

 

[RGCheek]

If anyone is opposed to armed conquest and slavery, she should not step a foot inside the USA. Some estimates are that one hundred million native American Indians were slaughtered in one of the largest conquests of a people in history.

That is total nonsense.

90% or more of Amerindian deaths were the result of disease and those tribes that chose to live in peace have not been harmed, for example there are still Amerindian tribes in Virginai, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachuhssettes and other east coast states that prove this genocide slander to be the lie it is.

 

[RGCheek]

Brush up on your history, the Civil War was not about ending slavery. Lincoln and northerners didn’t give a fig about African Americans.

That is absurd. While slavery was not the only issue it was one of the top issues and definitely the primary catalyst to initiating the war.

Secondly, the original inhabitants of North America are referred to as “native Americans”, not “Amerindians”, whatever that is. Otherwise they like to be referred to by whatever tribe they belonged to.

Amerindian is a totally accepted way of referring to American Indian tribes. Your phrase ‘Native Americans’ implies that hundreds of millions of people born here are not native, which is again, just plain old absurd.

As to how many we killed, after a million does it really make a difference?

First you would have to prove a million were murdered, which is false, and then yes, it would still matter, dude.

And those diseases were brought here by Europeans, in many cases, spread deliberately to “Ethnically cleanse” the New World. .

PROVE THAT.

 

[RGCheek]

“In 1493, when Columbus returned to the Hispaniola, he quickly implemented policies of slavery and mass extermination of the Taino population of the Caribbean. Within three years, five million were dead. Las Casas, the primary historian of the Columbian era, writes of many accounts of the horrors that the Spanish colonists inflicted upon the indigenous population: hanging them en mass, hacking their children into pieces to be used as dog feed, and other horrid cruelties. The works of Las Casas are often omitted from popular American history books and courses because Columbus is considered a hero by many, even today.
Mass killing did not cease, however, after Columbus departed. Expansion of the European colonies led to similar genocides. “Indian Removal” policy was put into action to clear the land for white settlers. Methods for the removal included slaughter of villages by the military and also biological warfare. High death rates resulted from forced marches to relocate the Indians.”
iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html

Oh, its on the internet, so it must be true.