Crimeans Who Ushered in the Russians Now Have to Live With Their Choice

[Ridgerunner]

In relation to Love thy Neighbour. Which country has been involved in, or started the most wars and hence deaths, since WW11?

I don’t think it is Russia.

Actually, Russia mobilized for war in 1914 before Germany did. Mobilization was tantamount to starting a war in those days, as it was almost impossible to reverse it once it started. Russia and Germany mutually declared war against each other on the same day.

And Stalin’s attack on Poland was only a couple of weeks later than Germany’s in WWII; Russia and Germany having previously agreed to take Poland and divide it. So the start of WWII was a joint project of Germany’s and Russia’s.

When it comes to causing needless deaths in the 20th and 21st centuries, Russia wins, hands down. Well, Mao’s China might have exceeded Russia’s murderousness, but I don’t think anyone knows for sure. So perhaps they should share the “prize”.

 

[pepipop]

So then you believe this validates war? Your more decadent than us, so wait we’ll catch right up. More of that good logic. Sounds like the grandchildren fighting to me.

My response was in relation to:

*Originally Posted by GaryTaylor View Post
Supposedly, supposedly Russia Loves Your Neighbor better than everyone while threatening the world with nuclear warfare. *

There is no war, nor has Russia threatened one.

Where did Russia threaten the world with nuclear conflict?

 

[Ridgerunner]

What ethnic heritage are they proud of? Is that the heritage of enslaving innocent people which is one reason why the Confederacy fought the North?
If I were a slave, I would not laugh or LOL at the ideology of enslaving me, my wife and my children and friends. I would weep all day and night as I and my wife and children were being beaten by the Confederate slavemaster. I would try to keep my brain alive and working, as the southern slavemaster tries to kill it.

Few southerners owned slaves. Southern heritage is a complex thing, but (except for southern Louisiana) it’s largely Scots-Irish. They were originally (for the most part) “borderers” from Britain, taken to Ireland by the Brits, some willingly and some not, to defend British interests against the Irish. Many of them were then forcibly taken to America as indentured servants, prisoners, or just plain exiles. From that, they fanned out into the south and particularly into the “Southern piedmont”. Having for centuries been thrown out onto hostile frontiers, they have a military tradition as well as a culture of music, artistry, storytelling, and helping one’s neighbor.

I’m not Scots-Irish myself, but I do have respect and admiration for their culture, despite the flaws some have exhibited.

 

[Ridgerunner]

There is no war, nor has Russia threatened one.

Where did Russia threaten the world with nuclear conflict?

There is a war in Ukraine. War is when one country invades another and shoots its people.

Putin threatened nuclear weapons just a few days ago. Mostly it’s indirect, like reminding Europe that he has them and would use them if sufficiently provoked. Also, of course, he’s putting nuke missiles in Koenigsberg in order to threaten Poland and Lithuania.

I noticed the other day that Patriarch Kirill commended Putin for his arms buildup, calling Putin’s nukes the “breastplate of Orthodoxy”. Warmed Putin’s heart, one expects.

 

[pepipop]

Actually, Russia mobilized for war in 1914 before Germany did. Mobilization was tantamount to starting a war in those days, as it was almost impossible to reverse it once it started. Russia and Germany mutually declared war against each other on the same day.

And Stalin’s attack on Poland was only a couple of weeks later than Germany’s in WWII; Russia and Germany having previously agreed to take Poland and divide it. So the start of WWII was a joint project of Germany’s and Russia’s.

When it comes to causing needless deaths in the 20th and 21st centuries, Russia wins, hands down. Well, Mao’s China might have exceeded Russia’s murderousness, but I don’t think anyone knows for sure. So perhaps they should share the “prize”.

Not how the rest of the world view it.

An international survey on the greatest threat to world peace points west. Here are four examples of how moral authority has been sabotaged

*A recent Gallup survey of respondents from 65 countries suggests that America is now seen as the country that poses the “greatest threat to world peace today”. In fact, more people picked the US than Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea and Pakistan combined.

Here are four instances in which the west has sabotaged its moral authority. An obvious start is the west’s post-colonial adventures in Asia and the continuing refusal of the US to apologise for its use of napalm and Agent Orange, or for its carpet bombing of Cambodia and Laos.

But the biggest source of enmity today has to do with the west’s foreign policy. Leaving aside its blunders in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and continuous attempts to portray China as a threat to its Asian neighbours, the western world’s treatment of Iran is seen as nothing other than illogical and unfair.

Then there is the issue of the chemical weapons used in Syria. First were the attempts by westerners to portray themselves as the only ones concerned about the horrible attacks and thus the only ones willing to act. This was a slap in the face for the majority of the global community whose lack of appetite for military action was born out of wisdom (cf Iraq) rather than a lack of compassion. *

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/06/us-greatest-threat-to-peace-asia-survey

 

[Son_of_Niall]

I found this funny, yet truthy explanation off the Russian psyche. I edited out the “bad word” lest I harm some tender sensibilities. Use your own substitution. It also wouldnt be fair to use the blanket word “Russian” instead as not all think this way, just enough to make themselves an irritant:

The ******* has nothing but white-hot hatred for Ukraine. They rocked the boat. They thought they had a way out of the Russian sphere. Why should they have it better? The ******* spends a good portion of his time regurgitating the same tired old tropes about Ukraine. They whored out to the Americans, just like every other country which doesn’t submit itself under Moscow’s vassalage. The ******* always puts the relationship between individuals or countries and the US in explicit terms of sexual dominance, a telling sign of Russia’s sometimes amusing but ultimately disturbing masculinity crisis. Refusal to bow to Putin’s Russia is bending over or getting down on one’s knees for the United States, the only other country in the world that matters. To this end the ******* likes to portray his enemies as prostitutes or passive homosexuals, unwittingly revealing his fears and insecurities about sexual domination and humiliation. Insults revolving around oral and anal sex are par-for-the course when discussing politics with the *******, regardless of age.

While on that topic, the ******* despises homosexuals. He knows from watching Russian state-owned media that the West is “Sodom and Gomorrah.” He refers to Europe as “Gayropa,” and his best argument against the EU Association Agreement at the heart of Maidan was that it would lead to same-sex marriage in Ukraine- even though it had nothing to do with that. The ******* is utterly unconcerned with the fact that thousands of Russian children in the country’s dilapidated orphanage system are subject to physical and sexual abuse. His concern is that those children might be adopted by citizens of countries which allow same-sex marriage. He doesn’t care if children as young as 9 and 10 smoke in the park, drink alco-energy beverages, or watch their father and mother drunkenly fight at 1 AM, but he’s terribly concerned about the dangers of “gay propaganda.”
The ******* is happy to tell you about his deep regard for the Russian Orthodox faith and its traditions in spite of never going to church. He believes Putin is defending Russia’s Christian traditions from the degenerate West, even as he sees young women emerging from discotheque on the arms of shady businessmen, ten to twenty years their senior and with wives and children at home. He considers Russia a bastion of morality in spite of the fact that men stand outside metro exits handing out catalogs of prostitutes.
By and large the *******’s most uncanny ability is holding mutually exclusive ideas at the same time while being utterly oblivious to the glaring contradiction. He laments the destruction of Lenin monuments in Ukraine while insisting that the Ukrainian nation and its language were insidious inventions by Lenin, the bastard who murdered the Tsar and his family. He can never shut up about how Russia’s grandfathers fought and singlehandedly won the Second World War, yet he harbors a soft spot for Nazi Germany and fascism out of his unflagging admiration for strong, authoritarian leaders. To the *******, the only bad side of Nazi Germany and fascism in general is that they attacked the Soviet Union, beyond that the ******* has no qualms about racism, anti-Semitism, or authoritarianism. He insists that anyone living in Russia should speak Russian, but he squeals with bristling anger at the idea of Russians living in former Soviet republics being required to learn the local language. He says that Ukrainians and Russians are “brother peoples” and yet despises the “invented” Ukrainian language and any cultural distinction between the two.

Amazing, absolutely amazing what some get away with on this sub-forum.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

Actually I hope the mod leaves it up. It’s a perfect example of why I am no longer a Republican.

 

[Burt_Macklin]

Amazing, absolutely amazing what some get away with on this sub-forum.

They run a pretty tight ship here. Nobody gets away with anything. There are a bunch of delicate flowers that have to be protected after all.

 

[Burt_Macklin]

I would like to see moderation a little more lax all around. In the mean time maybe you can write a blog. I’d be interested in reading it.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Not how the rest of the world view it.

An international survey on the greatest threat to world peace points west. Here are four examples of how moral authority has been sabotaged

*A recent Gallup survey of respondents from 65 countries suggests that America is now seen as the country that poses the “greatest threat to world peace today”. In fact, more people picked the US than Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea and Pakistan combined.

Here are four instances in which the west has sabotaged its moral authority. An obvious start is the west’s post-colonial adventures in Asia and the continuing refusal of the US to apologise for its use of napalm and Agent Orange, or for its carpet bombing of Cambodia and Laos.

But the biggest source of enmity today has to do with the west’s foreign policy. Leaving aside its blunders in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and continuous attempts to portray China as a threat to its Asian neighbours, the western world’s treatment of Iran is seen as nothing other than illogical and unfair.

Then there is the issue of the chemical weapons used in Syria. First were the attempts by westerners to portray themselves as the only ones concerned about the horrible attacks and thus the only ones willing to act. This was a slap in the face for the majority of the global community whose lack of appetite for military action was born out of wisdom (cf Iraq) rather than a lack of compassion. *

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/06/us-greatest-threat-to-peace-asia-survey

Interesting, then, that virtually every country in the world, other than Islamic states, view the U.S. favorably. nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/in-a-global-popularity-contest-u-s-beats-china-20130718

Among the Islamic states, America is the most popular in Iran. smithsonianmag.com/travel/a-new-day-in-iran-84154591/?page=1

Among those with the highest approval rating for the U.S. is Vietnam which obviously has not set the precondition of apologizing for Agent Orange. That’s really an idological conceit of the western left. Jane Fonda stuff.

And the popularity of America in “post colonial” Philippines is over 80%.

So, only the western left and Islamists really do hate America, probably because both have totalitarian visions that America tries to thwart. American popularity in Russia is declining, and likely for the same reason.

 

[RGCheek]

Its a validation to make “killing” not sooo bad. Must be a new teaching in Russia. We could never be as decadent as you, we kill better. Makes no sense, unless you want to keep killing and rationalize it.

I guess.

Why cant people learn that Truth is the better tool for manipulating and understanding Reality than are lies?

 

[RGCheek]

How many wars were fought by the United States against the native American Indians in order to conquer them and steal their land? Was it about 100 or so wars of “armed conquest” as the people of the United States killed the native American Indians and annexed their land?

What a bunch of loaded questions. You just embarrassed yourself and don’t even realize it.

“Have you stopped beating your wife yet?” is an example of such questions, just in case you need explanation.

Most wars were started by the Amerindian tribes, not the US government.

I don’t see how anyone can deny that the United States embarked on an enormous armed conquest of land in North America.

The international rights were expanded, but the land held in private hands remained as long as the Amerindian tribe was peaceful and many were and still live where they did when the first settlers landed.

"On September 8, 2000, the head of the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) formally apologized for the agency’s participation in the …

A politically inspired bit of nonsense by leftwing ideologues within the BIA proves exactly nothing other than that leftists should never be trusted to represent anyone affiliated with western cultural or government entities.

See:The US and the Crime of Genocide Against Native Americans
.academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/georegions/northamerica/UnitedStates02.htm
The land area stolen from the Native American Indian and annexed to the United States is huge in comparison with Crimea. Further, historically, Crimea had belonged to Russia in the past, whereas North America did not have any historical ties to the European colonialists. The Crimeans overwhelmingly wanted and still want today to be part of Russia. The American Indians, on the contrary, fought to the death to protect their land against the armed conquerors of the United States.

GIGO again demonstrated by academic lies and ideological nonsense.

 

[RGCheek]

What ethnic heritage are they proud of? Is that the heritage of enslaving innocent people which is one reason why the Confederacy fought the North?

You need to make up you mind, did the Civil War get fought solely over slavery or not?

And why would you think anyone would be proud of owning slaves instead of proud of how bravely and effectively they fought a far larger opponent for four straight years?

Oh, my bad, that asks you to set your ideological blinders aside, how unreasonable of me.

If I were a slave, I would not laugh or LOL at the ideology of enslaving me, my wife and my children and friends. I would weep all day and night as I and my wife and children were being beaten by the Confederate slavemaster. I would try to keep my brain alive and working, as the southern slavemaster tries to kill it.

That is ridiculous rubbish.

You really think that was the typical experience of slaves in the South?

SMH

 

[RGCheek]

Are you saying the Confederates who committed treason, tried to form their own nation, and fought a bloody war to do so are Americans? Those million southerners were not apart of the United States during the war, …

One does not have to be US citizens to be Americans, dude.

 

[pepipop]

Interesting, then, that virtually every country in the world, other than Islamic states, view the U.S. favorably. nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/in-a-global-popularity-contest-u-s-beats-china-20130718

Among the Islamic states, America is the most popular in Iran. smithsonianmag.com/travel/a-new-day-in-iran-84154591/?page=1

Among those with the highest approval rating for the U.S. is Vietnam which obviously has not set the precondition of apologizing for Agent Orange. That’s really an idological conceit of the western left. Jane Fonda stuff.

And the popularity of America in “post colonial” Philippines is over 80%.

So, only the western left and Islamists really do hate America, probably because both have totalitarian visions that America tries to thwart. American popularity in Russia is declining, and likely for the same reason.

They possibly do view America favourably, however that does not reflect on the fact that they also see it as the biggest threat to world peace.

 

[Ridgerunner]

They possibly do view America favourably, however that does not reflect on the fact that they also see it as the biggest threat to world peace.

No citation was given for the proposition that most countries view America as the biggest threat to world peace, but in any event, polls can seem to give different results depending on how the question is asked and the context in which it is asked.

So, the question might have been as you say, or it could have been more to the order of asking who was the most likely to get into armed conflict, I suspect most would now either say Russia or the U.S.; Russia because it is in the process of conquering Ukraine and the U.S. because it may be viewed as the most likely to take on some odious regime like ISIS.

And, of course, it would depend on the context. If the perception is “anywhere in the world”, then it would undoubtedly be the U.S. because it is the only country known to be able to project power anywhere in the world.

Or, again depending on context, they might not have viewed the disturbance of world peace in a negative light. There are a lot of aggressors out there that should be stopped.
That conclusion doesn’t seem totally unlikely because if the same country views the U.S. favorably, it is suggestive that they might think some wrong needs redress and wish we would do it.

But no matter what, the suggestion that the U.S. is viewed unfavorably by most of the world is just plain incorrect.

 

[pepipop]

No citation was given for the proposition that most countries view America as the biggest threat to world peace, but in any event, polls can seem to give different results depending on how the question is asked and the context in which it is asked.

So, the question might have been as you say, or it could have been more to the order of asking who was the most likely to get into armed conflict, I suspect most would now either say Russia or the U.S.; Russia because it is in the process of conquering Ukraine and the U.S. because it may be viewed as the most likely to take on some odious regime like ISIS.

And, of course, it would depend on the context. If the perception is “anywhere in the world”, then it would undoubtedly be the U.S. because it is the only country known to be able to project power anywhere in the world.

Or, again depending on context, they might not have viewed the disturbance of world peace in a negative light. There are a lot of aggressors out there that should be stopped.
That conclusion doesn’t seem totally unlikely because if the same country views the U.S. favorably, it is suggestive that they might think some wrong needs redress and wish we would do it.

But no matter what, the suggestion that the U.S. is viewed unfavorably by most of the world is just plain incorrect.

The poll was a Gallup poll, of 66,000 people.

huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/greatest-threat-world-peace-country_n_4531824.html

*This is the conclusion of a massive world opinion poll conducted by Win/Gallup International and released at the close of 2013. The poll, which was first conducted in 1977, asked over 66,000 thousand people across 65 countries this year a variety of questions about the world, including which country they would most like to call home, whether or not the world is becoming a generally better place and which country poses the greatest threat to world peace.

The U.S. was voted the biggest threat by far, garnering 24 percent of the vote. Pakistan was a very distant second with 8 percent, followed by China (6 percent) and Afghanistan (5 percent).

Perhaps not surprisingly, Americans had a slightly different view of the international troublemakers, naming Iran the top threat. Yet while Afghanistan garnered the second-most votes among American respondents, they also voted the U.S. among the most threatening nations – in an unenviable veritable tie for third place with North Korea.

Interestingly, the U.S. was also the country to which people around the world would most like to move, if given the opportunity. *

 

[Ridgerunner]

The poll was a Gallup poll, of 66,000 people.

huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/greatest-threat-world-peace-country_n_4531824.html

*This is the conclusion of a massive world opinion poll conducted by Win/Gallup International and released at the close of 2013. The poll, which was first conducted in 1977, asked over 66,000 thousand people across 65 countries this year a variety of questions about the world, including which country they would most like to call home, whether or not the world is becoming a generally better place and which country poses the greatest threat to world peace.

The U.S. was voted the biggest threat by far, garnering 24 percent of the vote. Pakistan was a very distant second with 8 percent, followed by China (6 percent) and Afghanistan (5 percent).

Perhaps not surprisingly, Americans had a slightly different view of the international troublemakers, naming Iran the top threat. Yet while Afghanistan garnered the second-most votes among American respondents, they also voted the U.S. among the most threatening nations – in an unenviable veritable tie for third place with North Korea.

Interestingly, the U.S. was also the country to which people around the world would most like to move, if given the opportunity. *

Couldn’t open the Huffpo article, so I can’t see what was asked or the context. Likely neither was in the Huffpo article, which tends to publish conclusions.

It would be interesting to see the exact question, the context and the breakdown by nation. Hard to know its significance without knowing at least those things.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

His is an extremely strange position. I have never heard the Confederacy referred to as “not American”.
In all revolutions, those in power refer to their opponents as ‘traitors’.

 

[tomarin]

According to King George III, yes. But the colonists believed their native legislatures had some legitimacy under English common law and that they were free men. The English commoner had always believed they he was free in comparison with the French peasant and the Russian serf. Which is why the British army had a long unpopularity with the British populace (unlike say the Royal Navy) as a large standing army stood in ordinary people’s minds for the oppressive tendencies of the autocratic state.