CRS... Vice President in Same-Sex Civil Marriage

[zab]

Like most “Breaking News” coming from the Lepanto Institute and Church Militant, this was disturbing. As usual, my inclination is to find out the truth. Somehow showing personal profiles from Facebook and Linkdln are not cutting it for me. I want to see some proof from CRS website or the like to prove that Rick Estridge is still employed as a Vice President. So I engage in a conversation with the Church Militants asking questions. It seems that they expect everyone to take their word like gospel and if one dares to ask questions then they are treated badly for doing so. With no help from them, I finally read an article from Catholic News Agency who contacted CRS and was told by the Communications person that they knew of the same sex marriage of their employee and that “We are now in deliberations”. That does not sound good. Rick Estridge “married” his partner in April of 2013 and is still employed two years later. I still have questions. Are they now in deliberations because this knowledge has just become “Breaking News”? Certainly with the continuous news flashes regarding the practices of CRS that they would not dare try to keep something like this secret. Or does “in deliberations” have some kind of legal meaning and perhaps they are not allowed to talk about it? I don’t know. But this time it does not sound good.

 

[zz912]

He worked at CRS for 15 years, was “married” for two years, and was publicly outspoken about support of gay “marriage”. There’s simply no way that his coworkers were unaware, at least not all of them.

 

[pnewton]

I have seen a lot of damage come from assuming in hindsight what other people “must” have known. Not everyone is tuned in or interested in gossip. Some walk in deliberate naiveté. As to how out-spoken he was, I do not know. I do know that organizations that aggressively dissected CRS did not know this.

In any case, those with the authority to make changes may very well not have known.

 

[ARSpade]

I still have questions. Are they now in deliberations because this knowledge has just become “Breaking News”? Certainly with the continuous news flashes regarding the practices of CRS that they would not dare try to keep something like this secret. Or does “in deliberations” have some kind of legal meaning and perhaps they are not allowed to talk about it? I don’t know. But this time it does not sound good.

It means they didn’t care until they got caught.

 

[zz912]

I have seen a lot of damage come from assuming in hindsight what other people “must” have known. Not everyone is tuned in or interested in gossip. Some walk in deliberate naiveté. As to how out-spoken he was, I do not know. I do know that organizations that aggressively dissected CRS did not know this.

In any case, those with the authority to make changes may very well not have known.

This is fair to be cautious about, if we are discussing certain matters. But here we are talking about someone who worked for 15 years there. He has been “married” to his partner for two years (so obviously dating for even longer before that).

His social media pages, which were not private, blatantly showed his support for gay “marriage”, so he wasn’t shy about expressing himself on the issue.

It’s just not logical nor reasonable to believe all of his coworkers whom he’s known for over a decade knew nothing about his personal life. Even just in casual conversation, company picnics, Christmas parties, etc. Your coworkers will eventually learn about you. There’s no way this was secret for that long.

 

[zz912]

Like most “Breaking News” coming from the Lepanto Institute and Church Militant, this was disturbing. As usual, my inclination is to find out the truth. Somehow showing personal profiles from Facebook and Linkdln are not cutting it for me. I want to see some proof from CRS website or the like to prove that Rick Estridge is still employed as a Vice President. So I engage in a conversation with the Church Militants asking questions. It seems that they expect everyone to take their word like gospel and if one dares to ask questions then they are treated badly for doing so. With no help from them, I finally read an article from Catholic News Agency who contacted CRS and was told by the Communications person that they knew of the same sex marriage of their employee and that “We are now in deliberations”.

If your conversation was in the comments section, I read through much of it. Your ongoing questioning of CM was over-the-top and illogical. If Mr. Estridge no longer worked at CRS, within an hour of the report CRS would have issued a simple statement that he no longer worked for them. Their initial silence should have told you that he still worked there.

But now that everything CM reported on turned out to be true, maybe you’ll save your irrational skepticism for others.

 

[zz912]

It means they didn’t care until they got caught.

This post can be saved for future use. It seems to be a pattern.

 

[Flecth_F_Fletch]

It means they didn’t care until they got caught.

Or they agreed with him.

Either way, CRS doesn’t truly care about helping the poor, either. This will UNDOUBTEDLY hurt their intake of donations (they are off my entire extended family’s list now), and they have been down this road before.

Their own arrogance and hubris makes their egos more important than helping those in need. They want to force donors to cast away their ethics and values by playing the “but we do so much good work!” card. Garbage.

They are not the only game in town, and like I said, they couldn’t care less about truly helping people. If they did, they wouldn’t take such flip attitudes towards people who have left their fold as donors.

 

[DCNBILL]

[BIBLEDRB] Matthew 13:24-30[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[DCNBILL]

Matthew Chapter 13: 24He proposed another parable to them.* “The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds* all through the wheat, and then went off. 26When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well. 27The slaves of the householder came to him and said, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?’ 28He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ His slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29He replied, ‘No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them. 30Let them grow together until harvest;* then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, “First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn.”

 

[Tigg]

maybe you’ll save your irrational skepticism for others.

Thanks, I’ve been trying to coin a phrase that best describes the way others poo-poo and dismiss, what to the rest of us is, a five-alarm fire. I like this…and I’m going to steal it.

 

[Neofight]

So I get the all the self-righteous indignation over the topic of same sex so-called marriage, but what is not clear is because of it are most of you calling for the faithful to discontinue making donations to CRS, and/or are you calling into question the work they do over this incident?

 

[St_Pancake]

I’m just curious what the real harm is in this. When a Catholic teacher advocates for gay marriage or is living that life, I can see the harm. This man’s life is not expected to be an example to anyone else. Why does his personal life matter?

 

[Joe_Kelley]

If he is not still employed at CRS what are they deliberating?

 

[Corki]

I’m just curious what the real harm is in this. When a Catholic teacher advocates for gay marriage or is living that life, I can see the harm. This man’s life is not expected to be an example to anyone else. Why does his personal life matter?

Just from a purely secular view, he is actively working AGAINST his employer’s interests.

Imagine if a VP at Apple was publicly promoting a “PC-only” environment and involved in lobbying the government and banking networks incompatible with Apple technology. The shareholders would very likely say he is not competent to be in an executive position at Apple.

Same thing here. If someone is in a leadership position in a Catholic organization, he should not be working actively to tear down Church teaching. His personal life matters but that’s not where it stopped. He is also an advocate for same-sex “marriage” and that’s public.

 

[St_Pancake]

Just from a purely secular view, he is actively working AGAINST his employer’s interests.

Imagine if a VP at Apple was publicly promoting a “PC-only” environment and involved in lobbying the government and banking networks incompatible with Apple technology. The shareholders would very likely say he is not competent to be in an executive position at Apple.

Same thing here. If someone is in a leadership position in a Catholic organization, he should not be working actively to tear down Church teaching. His personal life matters but that’s not where it stopped. He is also an advocate for same-sex “marriage” and that’s public.

While it’s embarrassing, his job has to do with relief. Should those of us that are Catholics and own business avoid hiring sinners? Should your boss avoid hiring sinners?

 

[Robert_Sock]

I’m just curious what the real harm is in this. When a Catholic teacher advocates for gay marriage or is living that life, I can see the harm. This man’s life is not expected to be an example to anyone else. Why does his personal life matter?

I agree. The Church should not discriminate based on sexual preferences for employment. On the contrary, the Church should reach to him. We must be Christ-like, and I believe that Christ would reach out to him in a similar manner.

 

[zab]

If your conversation was in the comments section, I read through much of it. Your ongoing questioning of CM was over-the-top and illogical. If Mr. Estridge no longer worked at CRS, within an hour of the report CRS would have issued a simple statement that he no longer worked for them. Their initial silence should have told you that he still worked there.

But now that everything CM reported on turned out to be true, maybe you’ll save your irrational skepticism for others.

I did not watch Church Militant’s report. I clicked on a link that went to an article. Their proof was pointing to profiles on Linkdln and Facebook and the article gave nothing from CRS to show he was still employed. I searched the CRS website top executives and did not find anything showing Rick Estridge was still a Vice President of Overseas Operations. I did find another person, listed as Executive Vice President of Overseas Operations. I was criticized for not knowing the difference between a Vice President of which there are many vice presidents and an Executive Vice President. Like every one is supposed to know that. Anyway, after I found, with no help from them, the article from Catholic News Agency stating that they called CRS and spoke to the communications person, who basically confirmed that Estridge was still employed and that they were now “in deliberations”. I really don’t want to watch a report that seems so geared to promoting hatred and attack others who have questions. But I actually did attempt to watch the video later in the day, however, for some reason it would stop after 2 seconds. It wouldn’t allow me to watch while I was signed in.

 

[zab]

If he is not still employed at CRS what are they deliberating?

Exactly . It was after I found the Catholic News Article giving this information that I understood (with no help from those on the CM blog) that Mr. Estridge was still employed.

 

[Elizium23]

While it’s embarrassing, his job has to do with relief. Should those of us that are Catholics and own business avoid hiring sinners? Should your boss avoid hiring sinners?

Those who actively promote grave sin, or make a choice to obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are different from those, of good faith and seeking the Lord, who happen to commit sins in the course of their life.