Crusades, Inquisition, Jews

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bobzills said:
Romania and the Ukraine were brought up by someone else, and I suggested a separate thread for these issues.
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bobzills said:
Like I said, the situation of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Churches requires an entirely different thread because it is not related to the Inquisition or the Crusades. And although at the time of WWII it may involve Ukrainian nationalism and collaboration with Hitler, the problems between Russian Orthodoxy and Ukrainian Greek Catholicism go back several centuries. For example, in 1839, the Greek Catholic bishops Antonii Zubko, and Vasilii Luzhinskii signed an act of reunion with the Russian Orthodox Church at Polatsk in February 1839 and 1305 Greek Catholic priests agreed to join the Russian Orthodox Church. And Tsar Nicholas I had a medal struck with the inscription “Torn away by force (1596), reunited by love (1839). Or to look at the other side of the picture, in 1938, the Polish government confiscated many Orthodox Churches in the Chelm region, 115 Orthodox Churches were destroyed, while many others were transferred to Roman Catholics. But what does this have to do with the Fourth Crusade? Really nothing at all. You are bringing this up as a diversion from the main topic.
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Not exactly, “Let’s start a seperate thread to discuss that, shall we?”

No, one quick jab, than insistence we return to the topic on your terms, dismissing how it could be germaine.

Before getting back to your favoirte old tune, you managed to hum a few bars of a new one… Honestly, both songs seem to be from the same album either way.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
Only after…

Not exactly, “Let’s start a seperate thread to discuss that, shall we?”

No, one quick jab, than insistence we return to the topic on your terms, dismissing how it could be germaine.

Before getting back to your favoirte old tune, you managed to hum a few bars of a new one… Honestly, both songs seem to be from the same album either way.
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Ridiculous.
 
bobzills said:
Ridiculous.
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You’re the one who’s ridiculous. **You **first brought up the Ukraine in post 285, telling us that you wouldn’t mention it, then you proceeded to mention it ad nauseam, and then demand that nobody rebut you because THEY would be off-topic, but you can bring up whatever you like. :rolleyes: 🤷
 
Petergee said:
**You **first brought up the Ukraine in post 285,…
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Let’s see:
From post # 280
ASimpleSinner said:
Maybe we could hold a booty trade - the gold in Venice, for the temples where people prayed and offered in Russia, Ukraine, Bylorus, Romania, etc…
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From post # 283
ASimpleSinner said:
Are you as empassioned in your plea for the return of Greek Catholic churches in Eastern Europe to Greek Catholics? Fresher on the memory still, that is in the past two generations, my grandmother’s lifetime.
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Afterburned6387 said:
Honestly I can’t thank the members of this forum enough! Not only have they spurred me on to see that the Catholic faith is itself “Hogwash,” but has really refined my doctrinal picture of my faith. I needed someone who takes the opposite position as me, but still knows scripture. I get too much nodding when I try and talk with Baptists…they all agree with me…so boring…
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There are many learned in folks in the Catholic church who really know their bible…but i am sorry that you didn’t find anybody to really scrap with…perhaps we are too kind !!! BUT…before you disappear in a state of smugness please read : Rome Sweet Home , by Scott Hahn. Prof. Hahn tried to disprove the authenticity of Catholicism and finally converted…this after reading and studying literally hundreds of books ; some written by the finest minds in the protestant church.
Good luck…and don’t forget the love aspect , without it we are all doomed !!!👍 🙂
 
DB_AND_ALI said:
There are many learned in folks in the Catholic church who really know their bible…but i am sorry that you didn’t find anybody to really scrap with…perhaps we are too kind !!! BUT…before you disappear in a state of smugness please read : Rome Sweet Home , by Scott Hahn. Prof. Hahn tried to disprove the authenticity of Catholicism and finally converted…this after reading and studying literally hundreds of books ; some written by the finest minds in the protestant church.
Good luck…and don’t forget the love aspect , without it we are all doomed !!!👍 🙂
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I am glad that Scott Hahn has converted to the Catholic Church, but there are a lot of conversions going the other way. For example, I read somewhere that in South America, Protestant Christianity is on the rise and the Catholic Church is losing members? For example in the southern state of Chiapas, Mexico, is it not true that the Catholic population went down from 91.2 percent in 1970 to 63.8 percent in 2000 ?
 
Petergee said:
Well they succeeeded for a long, long time. They even invaded the colony of Maryland which been specifially founded as the first freedom-of-religion part of the English speaking world and the only haven for Catholics, and they made Catholicism illegal there too. As recently as the mid-19th century Catholics were a small persecuted minority in the USA. And even today some of the Puritans’ descendants protest about the fact that a majority of the judges in the USA’s highest Court are (mostly nominal) Catholics. (No-one has ever objected to the fact that protestants have been a majority on the Court for its entire previous history.)
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Living in Maryland for most of my life, that is a topic of great interest to me. The atrocities committed here were unspeakable (the murder of almost all the Jesuit priests who came to the colony to tend to the Catholic population, the looting and burning of churches, and even moreso for the fact that it is not taught.

As to the your other point, there were laws on the books in several states until the early 20th century that Catholics could not hold public office.
 
bobzills said:
I am glad that Scott Hahn has converted to the Catholic Church, but there are a lot of conversions going the other way. For example, I read somewhere that in South America, Protestant Christianity is on the rise and the Catholic Church is losing members? For example in the southern state of Chiapas, Mexico, is it not true that the Catholic population went down from 91.2 percent in 1970 to 63.8 percent in 2000 ?
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This is off-topic, and I suggest you start another thread if you wish to discuss it further.
 
mtr01 said:
As to the your other point, there were laws on the books in several states until the early 20th century that Catholics could not hold public office.
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I don’t see how this is on topic of the Crusades and the Inquisition?
 
bobzills said:
I am glad that Scott Hahn has converted to the Catholic Church, but there are a lot of conversions going the other way. For example, I read somewhere that in South America, Protestant Christianity is on the rise and the Catholic Church is losing members? For example in the southern state of Chiapas, Mexico, is it not true that the Catholic population went down from 91.2 percent in 1970 to 63.8 percent in 2000 ?
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I don’t see how this is on topic of the Crusades and the Inquisition?

How come you did not say “Let’s start a new topic” but rather took some time to pontificate about it?
 
ASimpleSinner said:
I don’t see how this is on topic of the Crusades and the Inquisition?
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Someone else brought this up, just as you brought up the irrelevant subject of Romania and the Ukraine. How come you didn’t say let’s start a new topic on Romania and the Ukraine, instead of taking the time to pontificate on it?
 
bobzills said:
Someone else brought this up, just as you brought up the irrelevant subject of Romania and the Ukraine. How come you didn’t say let’s start a new topic on Romania and the Ukraine, instead of taking the time to pontificate on it?
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Because my point was germaine. I was comparing and contrasting the vapid moral outrage of those who would polemicly point to this sad chapter. The same folks who seem to be waxing with sentimental outrage on this event of some 800 years ago the most, seem curiously silent on later outrages committed against the Catholic Church.

That is why.

The question remains, how come you saw fit to NOT immediately propose to move this discussion to another thread without offering commentary before declairing it irrelevent to the discussion?
 
Petergee said:
A protestant has got one hell of a nerve saying that the Catholics didn’t do enough to stop the Nazi Holocaust.
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This is irrelevvant to the topic at hand. Anyway, Ustase Croatia allied to the Nazis was ruled by Catholics and the Catholic clergyman Miroslav Filipovac was a commandant at the horrific concentration camp in Jasenovac.
 
bobzills said:
This is irrelevvant to the topic at hand. Anyway, Ustase Croatia allied to the Nazis was ruled by Catholics and the Catholic clergyman Miroslav Filipovac was a commandant at the horrific concentration camp in Jasenovac.
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"Not relevent, but BTW, here is how the Catholic Church was bad there… Moving right along!"
 
Petergee said:
“perhaps dislocate arms” does not mean “their limbs were pulled oput of their sockets”…
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It certainly does. What else would dislocate arms mean after one was held hanging by the wrists and lifted up slowly and then let down with a severe jerk. This obviously resulted in a dislocation of the arms and legs.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
Because my point was germaine. I was comparing and contrasting the vapid moral outrage of those who would polemicly point to this sad chapter. The same folks who seem to be waxing with sentimental outrage on this event of some 800 years ago the most, seem curiously silent on later outrages committed against the Catholic Church.

That is why.

The question remains, how come you saw fit to NOT immediately propose to move this discussion to another thread without offering commentary before declairing it irrelevent to the discussion?
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You did not respond (except by ad hominem misdirection, nit-picking, and sarcasm) to any of the hard facts I gave you on the situation. This situation was in no way comparable at all to the Crusades or the Inquisition. It was a completely different historical situation.
 
bobzills said:
You did not respond (except by ad hominem misdirection, nit-picking, and sarcasm) to any of the hard facts I gave you on the situation. This situation was in no way comparable at all to the Crusades or the Inquisition. It was a completely different historical situation.
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Utter nonsense.

There was no ad hominem attack.

What there was was a simple observation that, 800 years later, 26 generations later, a papal apology later, an apologists apologist later, all parties agreeing this sad chapter was sinful…

Well, to go on furhter with this righteous indignation is suspect.

Bob, how long have you been Eastern Orthodox?
 
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