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Sy_Noe said:
I don’t know how true it is but I heard the other day from one of the talking heads on cable news that Hillary might not need as many of Bernie’s voters as some people think. His point seemed to be that those voters who have never voted before who are backing Bernie never voted before anyway. I myself have never missed voting and am supporting Bernie but will jump to Hillary the moment she secures the nomination. Bernie said tonight that Democrats will get behind the nominee when all of this is over against whomever the Republicans nominate. I tend to agree. Trump or Cruz will bring Democrats out and unite the party.
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I agree. I voted for Bernie, but I think he is drawing such huge crowds because he is drawing so many college students who never voted. Hillary has the base. She has millions more votes than Bernie. As much as I like Bernie, I will be on board with Hillary the moment she secures the nomination, too.
 
meltzerboy said:
After listening to Ted Cruz in an hour Town Hall meeting today hosted by Chuck Todd, the only things I heard from him are that he is against abortion, in favor of a flat tax, and does not intend to ban birth control or IVF. I kept wondering, as I always do while listening to Cruz, this is a man who went to Princeton and was head of the Law Review at Harvard Law School?
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I have asked myself the same thing. When is this fabulous debater we hear about going to show up?
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Cruz is just being used to stop Trump.

A Catholic shouldn’t vote for Cruz anyway. He favors carpet bombing of the Mid-East, and that’s worse than abortion. One would have to tumble through some verbal gymnastics to rationalize voting for a carpet bomber!
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This is an outright lie. I thought such things weren’t allowed on CAF.

It is telling how far you have to go to justify supporting pro-abortion politicians in defiance of Church teaching.

And even if your lie was accurate, it STILL fails your test. Because even if a politician were in favor of “carpet bombing the Middle East”, there would still be fewer deaths than abortion. Abortion kills more people than died on 9/11 EVERY SINGLE DAY.
 
queenofheartscv said:
This is how Cruz was received at 4/14 NY city GOP gala:

While Cruz speaks,

twitter.com/VaughnHillyard/status/720796272270176256/video/1
Very sad.
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And what about during Trump’s speech? Was it completely silent as he spoke?

New York is a liberal to moderate state by and large. Yes, there are Republicans, but I presume most are more likely to be more moderate than Republicans you would generally find in numerous other states. Ted Cruz is not going to win New York, I think he and his campaign probably knew that going in and I think that even if he hadn’t of said the “New York values” comment that he wouldnt of won there either. It’s Trump’s home state, he has ties there and it’s more moderate. Cruz’s aim in New York is probably to try and get enough votes to get some delegates and/or reduce the share that may otherwise go to Trump.
 
He favors carpet bombing of the Mid-East,
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zz912 said:
This is an outright lie.
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It’s a bit more complicated than that. Cruz did say “carpet bombing”, so the above statement isn’t a lie … those who have studied the issue carefully will know that the definition he used for “carpet bombing” isn’t the standard definition. But many people who heard him don’t know that.
 
Last night Cruz appeared on The Tonight Show and participated in a skit with Jimmy Fallon, in which Fallon did his spot-on Donald Trump impersonation and called Cruz as Trump, offering to give him advice.

I would tell Ted Cruz to stick to his day job, but I don’t really want him doing that any more than I want him attempting comedy.

And while not everyone is great at comedy, and being good at comedy isn’t a requirement of the presidency, having a robust sense of humor about oneself is a trait that matches well with being a good leader.
 
zz912 said:
This is an outright lie. I thought such things weren’t allowed on CAF.

It is telling how far you have to go to justify supporting pro-abortion politicians in defiance of Church teaching.

And even if your lie was accurate, it STILL fails your test. Because even if a politician were in favor of “carpet bombing the Middle East”, there would still be fewer deaths than abortion. Abortion kills more people than died on 9/11 EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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No, it’s not a lie at all:

"When asked about his previous statements advocating carpet bombing ISIS “into oblivion,” Cruz said that he would “apologize to nobody for the vigorousness with which” he would fight terrorism and destroy the terrorist group, which is also known as the Islamic State, ISIL, or Daesh.

“You claim it is tough talk to discuss carpet bombing,” Cruz said. “It is not tough talk. It is a different fundamental military strategy than what we’ve seen from Barack Obama.”

businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-isis-carpet-bomb-strategy-2016-1

Carpet bombing is infinitely worse than abortion. Or are you saying it’s fine to kill a pregnant woman or a child if it’s through carpet bombing?

I’ve told you about 20 times now, I don’t have to “justify” voting for a pro-choice candidate. And I don’t. Nothing I say is a “justification” for my vote. I vote for the person I feel will be best for the American people, and I am not a “single issue” voter. Sorry.
 
Siegehammer said:
Last night Cruz appeared on The Tonight Show and participated in a skit with Jimmy Fallon, in which Fallon did his spot-on Donald Trump impersonation and called Cruz as Trump, offering to give him advice.

I would tell Ted Cruz to stick to his day job, but I don’t really want him doing that any more than I want him attempting comedy.

And while not everyone is great at comedy, and being good at comedy isn’t a requirement of the presidency, having a robust sense of humor about oneself is a trait that matches well with being a good leader.
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Cruz’s attempt just fell flatter than the proverbial pancake.
 
meltzerboy said:
After listening to Ted Cruz in an hour Town Hall meeting today hosted by Chuck Todd, the only things I heard from him are that he is against abortion, in favor of a flat tax, and does not intend to ban birth control or IVF. I kept wondering, as I always do while listening to Cruz, this is a man who went to Princeton and was head of the Law Review at Harvard Law School?
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I learned that “New York values” originally came out of Trump’s mouth, his words, in his defense of support of partial birth abortion. I actually did not know that. Cruz was quoting Trump!

(as for loving New York I am starting to feel a lot like a Boston Red Sox fan…:cool: I keep looking for something to love)
 
Peter_J said:
It’s a bit more complicated than that. Cruz did say “carpet bombing”, so the above statement isn’t a lie … those who have studied the issue carefully will know that the definition he used for “carpet bombing” isn’t the standard definition. But many people who heard him don’t know that.
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Cruz doesn’t know what carpet bombing really is:

politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/16/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-misfires-definition-carpet-bombing-gop-de/
 
politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/16/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-misfires-definition-carpet-bombing-gop-de/
Then, during the CNN-sponsored debate in Las Vegas, moderator Wolf Blitzer tried to pin Cruz down on his “carpet bombing” proposal.
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“To be clear, Sen. Cruz, would you carpet-bomb Raqqa, the ISIS capital, where there are a lot of civilians? Yes or no?”
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Cruz responded, “You would carpet bomb where ISIS is – not a city, but the location of the troops. You use air power directed – and you have embedded special forces to direction the air power. But the object isn’t to level a city. The object is to kill the ISIS terrorists.”
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But there’s a problem: What Cruz described isn’t carpet bombing. What he described is actually the opposite of carpet bombing.
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Lily_Bernans said:
No, it’s not a lie at all:

"When asked about his previous statements advocating carpet bombing ISIS “into oblivion,” Cruz said that he would “apologize to nobody for the vigorousness with which” he would fight terrorism and destroy the terrorist group, which is also known as the Islamic State, ISIL, or Daesh.

“You claim it is tough talk to discuss carpet bombing,” Cruz said. “It is not tough talk. It is a different fundamental military strategy than what we’ve seen from Barack Obama.”

businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-isis-carpet-bomb-strategy-2016-1

Carpet bombing is infinitely worse than abortion. Or are you saying it’s fine to kill a pregnant woman or a child if it’s through carpet bombing?

I’ve told you about 20 times now, I don’t have to “justify” voting for a pro-choice candidate. And I don’t. Nothing I say is a “justification” for my vote. I vote for the person I feel will be best for the American people, and I am not a “single issue” voter. Sorry.
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He most certainly did not say he would carpet bomb the Middle East, as you claimed. He said he would carpet bomb ISIS. And NOT ONE person actually heard his comment and thought he meant carpet bombing randomly all over. He meant it as bombing ISIS strongholds heavily.

So your claim is a lie.
 
zz912 said:
He most certainly did not say he would carpet bomb the Middle East, as you claimed. He said he would carpet bomb ISIS. And NOT ONE person actually heard his comment and thought he meant carpet bombing randomly all over. He meant it as bombing ISIS strongholds heavily.

So your claim is a lie.
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Stop calling me a liar. Are you that afraid for the Republican Party? So you’re saying when Cruz talks about “carpet bombing” we are to assume he is ignorant of what carpet bombing really is? Of course MANY people thought Cruz actually knew what carpet bombing really is. A senator who wants to be a presidential nominee doesn’t know what carpet bombing is? I don’t know which is worse, that he believes in carpet bombing or that he’s ignorant of what it really is.

politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/16/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-misfires-definition-carpet-bombing-gop-de/
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Well, I, for one, do not want a president who doesn’t even know what carpet bombing is. No way. And I don’t think most Americans do, either.
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With all due respect, this charge is groundless. It is a way to deflect the abortion on demand Hillary supporting issue. Been there done that.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
With all due respect, this charge is groundless. It is a way to deflect the abortion on demand Hillary supporting issue. Been there done that.
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It’s not a deflection at all. I don’t do that. But carpet bombing IS infinitely worse than abortion. That’s just a fact.

I apologize that I didn’t consider Cruz, a senator, ignorant of something the whole country knows: what carpet bombing really is.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
It’s not a deflection at all. I don’t do that. But carpet bombing IS infinitely worse than abortion. That’s just a fact.

I apologize that I didn’t consider Cruz, a senator, ignorant of something the whole country knows: what carpet bombing really is.
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Hasn’t happened yet, under Cruz anyway. 54 million abortions in the US since Roe v Wade. Just a fact.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
With all due respect, this charge is groundless. It is a way to deflect the abortion on demand Hillary supporting issue. Been there done that.
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It’s not groundless; it’s my opinion.

I do not want a president who doesn’t know the definition of carpet bombing. I’d gladly take Trump over Cruz any day. I don’t want a president who doesn’t know what kids in grade school know.
 
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