Cruz Thread

[Peter_J]

This is a very insightful question.

These days, Tea Party types regard being contrarian/obstructionist as a badge of honor, and Cruz raises that to a art form. I personally don’t care for Cruz (though would take him over Trump) as his views are too far- right for me (except his pro-life views… I’m dogmatic on that.)

TY. In retrospect, if wonder Chris Christie’s attacks against Rubio were more strategic than they appeared at the time. (This is, of course, well before he was officially in Trump’s corner.) That is to say, maybe he realized that Rubio was more of a threat than Cruz, because the Tea Party wing could get behind the former much more easily than the establishment could get behind the latter.

 

[dixieagle]

TY. In retrospect, if wonder Chris Christie’s attacks against Rubio were more strategic than they appeared at the time. (This is, of course, well before he was officially in Trump’s corner.) That is to say, maybe he realized that Rubio was more of a threat than Cruz, because the Tea Party wing could get behind the former much more easily than the establishment could get behind the latter.

Could be!

Interestingly, virtually every poll I saw that still included Rubio had him as the candidate with the best chance of beating Hillary, as he would have wider appeal than the others. That ship has sailed.

 

[Path_Finder]

TY. In retrospect, if wonder Chris Christie’s attacks against Rubio were more strategic than they appeared at the time. (This is, of course, well before he was officially in Trump’s corner.) That is to say, maybe he realized that Rubio was more of a threat than Cruz, because the Tea Party wing could get behind the former much more easily than the establishment could get behind the latter.

“…was more of a threat to Cruz,” because that was the New Hampshire primary, Rubio was said to have had a good showing at 3rd place in Iowa so he was surging a bit.

I’ve liked Christie but overall, I certainly have to balance the negatives and pluses.

He did de-fund Planned Parenthood six times and one can look up what Planned Parenthood has said about him and they dislike him.

But he’s putting all of his eggs a bit in one basket, he will get a position, should it happen, in the Trump administration.

A bit on the same topic, Giuliani may be working some with Trump; so the Easterners are sticking together some, nothing wrong with that.

And the former Lieutenant Governor of NY, Betsy McCaughey is often on TV at night and a pro-Trump voice. But her bio definitely looks a bit liberal but in NY in particular, it’s a bit difficult to be a conservative Republican, at least if one wants to get the city: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_McCaughey l

 

[Peter_J]

Could be!

Interestingly, virtually every poll I saw that still included Rubio had him as the candidate with the best chance of beating Hillary, as he would have wider appeal than the others. That ship has sailed.

Speaking of polls, Rasmussen has a new one: Trump 43, Cruz 28, Kasich 21

They all went up (compared with the average of polls here) but it doesn’t seem particularly good for Cruz, in terms of people “uniting behind him”. (Plus, any poll with forty-something next to Trump’s name is a little scary!)

rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_still_holds_15_point_lead_over_cruz

 

[openmind77]

Or maybe he’s just not likable.

This is what his college roommate said: “I would rather have anybody else be the president of the United States. Anyone. I would rather pick somebody from the phone book.”

 

[SuperLuigi]

Gosh, what a strong endorsement.

Oh, that’s no endorsement. I’d be careful as to what Romney is up to.

I said a while back that if Cruz is the nominee (and I HOPE he is), that some establishment folks in the GOP will probably vote for Hillary. Same thing if Bernie were nominated on the Democratic side. DNC donors would probably flock to the other side.

They don’t like people messing with their system on K (aka EASY) street in DC, on the hill or on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue or even in the courts.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Yes!! I was originally a Marco Rubio supporter(and sad he has not prevailed) but I’ve shifted my support to Cruz.

Welcome aboard!

Ted Cruz said it best tonight: The only way to stop Trump is at the ballot box and I agree.

Protests or shouting matches on twitter with Trump will not work. If anything, it will have the exact opposite effect.

 

[SuperLuigi]

This is what his college roommate said: “I would rather have anybody else be the president of the United States. Anyone. I would rather pick somebody from the phone book.”

That’s a very poor reason to not vote for someone.

 

[Peter_J]

Oh, that’s no endorsement. I’d be careful as to what Romney is up to.

I’m not exactly Tea Party, but I really hope the establishment will listen to Lindsey Graham recent statements more than Romney’s?

And soon, or else the media’s “Trump already has it in the bag” narrative will be a self-fulfilling prophecy!

 

[queenofheartscv]

That’s a very poor reason to not vote for someone.

That statement shows only a strong aversion to Cruz but doesn’t really explain the reason.

 

[Path_Finder]

This is what his college roommate said: “I would rather have anybody else be the president of the United States. Anyone. I would rather pick somebody from the phone book.”

So, one of his ivy league room mates? Oh, I’ll really put importance in that.

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[Vanny]

Welcome aboard!

Ted Cruz said it best tonight: The only way to stop Trump is at the ballot box and I agree.

Protests or shouting matches on twitter with Trump will not work. If anything, it will have the exact opposite effect.

Yes. I agree completely.

 

[Peter_J]

This is a very insightful question.

These days, Tea Party types regard being contrarian/obstructionist as a badge of honor, and Cruz raises that to a art form. I personally don’t care for Cruz (though would take him over Trump) as his views are too far- right for me (except his pro-life views… I’m dogmatic on that.)

Something else that occurs to me about that. SNL’s “McCain” mentions reaching across the aisle, including:

I would first reach out for the support of Senate Democrats. And if that bothers my fellow Republicans, frankly, I don’t care. Ask Lindsay Graham. I once flushed three cherry bombs down the toilet of his Senate office. Absolutely destroyed the plumbing. I’m willing to buck members of my own party.

Obviously that’s humor, but as I recall the real McCain was very willing to be “unorthodox” and work with Dems.

The reason I mention this is that it seems that we’ve come full circle. Since McCain-Palin, reaching across the aisle has gone through these stages:

• unorthodox
• popularly unorthodox
• popular
• popular and not-quite-unorthodox
• popular and orthodox
• orthodox and “popular” (wink wink)
• just plain orthodox
• orthodox but just plain unpopular
• “a little too orthodox” (wink wink – check for Rino evidence)
• the kiss of death

 

[carpenter383]

tedcruz.org/index.html

 

[meltzerboy]

Could be!

Interestingly, virtually every poll I saw that still included Rubio had him as the candidate with the best chance of beating Hillary, as he would have wider appeal than the others. That ship has sailed.

Or sunk. I still maintain that Trump has the best chance of defeating Hillary Clinton, not Rubio (before he suspended his campaign), not even Kasich, who is the most moderate of the GOP group, and definitely not Cruz, who is already seen as too right wing, and that is before the Hillary machine would get to work on his image. Cruz is the mirror image of Sanders, who is seen as extremely left wing.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Kasich says he’s ‘willing to listen’ if Cruz wants to make a deal

washingtonexaminer.com/kasich-says-hes-willing-to-listen-if-cruz-wants-to-make-a-deal/article/2586315?custom_click=rss

 

[Path_Finder]

As said, Cruz leads in the BYU Y2 Analytics Poll in Utah at 53%.

Cruz 53%, Kasich 29%, Trump 11%.

But I’d think Trump would win Arizona at that though I also heard at the same time, Cruz is surging, that rally yesterday Trump had looked huge, really, under the desert sun. He may have had 3 appearances actually.

 

[gilliam]

As said, Cruz leads in the BYU Y2 Analytics Poll in Utah at 53%.

Cruz 53%, Kasich 29%, Trump 11%.

But I’d think Trump would win Arizona at that though I also heard at the same time, Cruz is surging, that rally yesterday Trump had looked huge, really, under the desert sun. He may have had 3 appearances actually.

Yes, Trump will do well in AZ. Will he win? The polls look good for him, but we will see.

It looks like the LDS will vote for Cruz in Utah and AZ and that will give Cruz over 50% in Utah. It may actually help Cruz do a lot better in AZ as well on Tuesday.

Interesting posts here

BECK: CRUZ FULFILLMENT OF MORMON PROPHECY…

‘THIS IS THE PRIESTHOOD RISING!’

The 'white horse prophecy" doesn’t point to an evangelical protestant saving the constitution though. It points to someone who is LDS saving the constitution. And that would more likely be Romney at the convention. It all depends on who believes that and who thinks that far ahead.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Yes, Trump will do well in AZ. Will he win? The polls look good for him, but we will see.

It looks like the LDS will vote for Cruz in Utah and AZ and that will give Cruz over 50% in Utah. It may actually help Cruz do a lot better in AZ as well on Tuesday.

Interesting posts here

BECK: CRUZ FULFILLMENT OF MORMON PROPHECY…

‘THIS IS THE PRIESTHOOD RISING!’

The 'white horse prophecy" doesn’t point to an evangelical protestant saving the constitution though. It points to someone who is LDS saving the constitution. And that would more likely be Romney at the convention. It all depends on who believes that and who thinks that far ahead.

Glenn Beck is a very questionable character.