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JimG said:
You think a Democrat could get the nomination while opposing a major plank in the Democratic Party Platform? Not likely. Not even possible. The Dem nominee must favor abortion.
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What must Republican candidates believe about health care?
The Republican Party believes in a patient-centered health care system, which is based in free markets, fostering competition and driving health care costs down. They believe that a health care system that is run by the government will reduce both the efficiency and the standard of care, as well as compromise the patient-physician relationship, and increase waiting periods within the health care system, as evidenced by government-centered health care systems throughout the world.
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republicanviews.org/republican-views-on-health-care/

So what does Trump think about healthcare?
PORTSMOUTH, N.H. — Donald Trump is remaining firm on a sticking point for many Republican voters — government-funded health care for all.
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One of his top rivals for the Republican presidential nomination, Texas Senator Ted Cruz, has hit Trump hard on this issue in recent weeks. Cruz’s campaign has dubbed Trump’s plan “Trumpcare” and likened it to “Hillarycare” and “Obamacare.” Last week, a super PAC supporting Cruz ran an attack ad on the subject in Iowa.
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But Trump isn’t backing down.
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statnews.com/2016/02/05/trump-cruz-universal-health-care/

So how could a potential Republican candidate support universal government run healthcare? Don’t all Republicans have to be against government run healthcare? I’m sure that no Republicans would vote for someone who supports government run universal healthcare. 😉
 
Thorolfr said:
What must Republican candidates believe about health care?

republicanviews.org/republican-views-on-health-care/

So what does Trump think about healthcare?

statnews.com/2016/02/05/trump-cruz-universal-health-care/

So how could a potential Republican candidate support universal government run healthcare? Don’t all Republicans have to be against government run healthcare? I’m sure that no Republicans would vote for someone who supports government run universal healthcare. 😉
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What does that have to do with the Demcrats fixation on abortion on demand? One thing, at least: A government system would make abortion a protected procedure.

One other thing from my own experience. My niece’s insurance premium’s have doubled since the advent of Obamacare.
 
JimG said:
What does that have to do with the Demcrats fixation on abortion on demand? One thing, at least: A government system would make abortion a protected procedure.

One other thing from my own experience. My niece’s insurance premium’s have doubled since the advent of Obamacare.
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My private insurance has gone up, and medicare premium in my family has, too.
 
JimG said:
What does that have to do with the Demcrats fixation on abortion on demand? One thing, at least: A government system would make abortion a protected procedure.

One other thing from my own experience. My niece’s insurance premium’s have doubled since the advent of Obamacare.
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My insurance premium tripled under Obamacare. I have to admit, I do like Obama, but I’m not a fan of Obamacare as it is. It has some deep defects that have to be ironed out if it stays around.
 
Fox hates Clinton, so I wouldn’t expect them to say anything different even if she were 99 points ahead.
 
Adding to the creep factor:

nydailynews.com/news/national/ted-cruz-talks-watching-porn-sandra-day-o-connor-article-1.2600631

With his two young daughters just feet away from him, Republican presidential contender Ted Cruz told the bizarre story of how he watched porn with Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor.

Before discussing his relationship with his wife and Caroline’s upcoming birthday party, Cruz discussed how he once had to watch porn as part of his duties as a law clerk for the Supreme Court, a strange tale he first recounted in his 2015 memoir.

“The chapter begins with me watching pornography on the Internet with Sandra Day O’Connor, which was a bit of a bizarre experience,” he told Anderson Cooper, adding that the court librarians prepared a lesson for the justices and their clerks to demonstrate how the abundance of Internet porn ahead of a case considering the regulation of such graphic material.
How is that a relevant piece of information? How is that appropriate to say in front of your young kids? Do his kids not ask questions at home about what mom and dad say?

Creepy.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Adding to the creep factor:

nydailynews.com/news/national/ted-cruz-talks-watching-porn-sandra-day-o-connor-article-1.2600631

With his two young daughters just feet away from him, Republican presidential contender Ted Cruz told the bizarre story of how he watched porn with Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor.

Before discussing his relationship with his wife and Caroline’s upcoming birthday party, Cruz discussed how he once had to watch porn as part of his duties as a law clerk for the Supreme Court, a strange tale he first recounted in his 2015 memoir.

“The chapter begins with me watching pornography on the Internet with Sandra Day O’Connor, which was a bit of a bizarre experience,” he told Anderson Cooper, adding that the court librarians prepared a lesson for the justices and their clerks to demonstrate how the abundance of Internet porn ahead of a case considering the regulation of such graphic material.
How is that a relevant piece of information? How is that appropriate to say in front of your young kids? Do his kids not ask questions at home about what mom and dad say?

Creepy.
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Yes, it us. Not only is it creepy to say in front of hos kids, it’s creepy to choose to tell to Anderson Cooper - and the nation.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Fox hates Clinton, so I wouldn’t expect them to say anything different even if she were 99 points ahead.
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If it makes you feel better, the idea of an HRC presidency is less scary to me than the possibility of the Republican Party ceasing to exist.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Yes, it us. Not only is it creepy to say in front of hos kids, it’s creepy to choose to tell to Anderson Cooper - and the nation.
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adding that the court librarians prepared a lesson for the justices and their clerks to demonstrate how the abundance of Internet porn ahead of a case considering the regulation of such graphic material.
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I don’t like Ted Cruz very much, but I don’t really know what’s so creepy about this story. Now if he had said that Sandra Day O’Conner liked to watch porn and that he used to watch it with her for entertainment at her home during his free time, that would be quite creepy. But he was looking at it as part of his job as a Supreme Court law clerk and in relation to a pending case before the Court about regulating porn. So I’m not sure what’s all that creepy about that.
 
Thorolfr said:
I don’t like Ted Cruz very much, but I don’t really know what’s so creepy about this story. Now if he had said that Sandra Day O’Conner liked to watch porn and that he used to watch it with her for entertainment at her home during his free time, that would be quite creepy. But he was looking at it as part of his job as a Supreme Court law clerk and in relation to a pending case before the Court about regulating porn. So I’m not sure what’s all that creepy about that.
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I will understand why you don’t get the creepy factor if you’ve never had children. Normal people will never mention porn in front of kids that young, let alone your own kids. What if they go home and ask you, dad, what’s porn?

Plus, the story was irrelevant. Cruz tried to be funny and interesting, but that’s not his character. It’s just like how he joked he would run over trump with a car. It wasn’t funny.
 
tRump would get killed in the general, Cruz would edge out a victory
 
carpenter383 said:
tRump would get killed in the general, Cruz would edge out a victory
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I think that the more that average US citizens get to know Ted Cruz and his views, the less they are going to like him. If he is the Republican candidate, he’d be the most conservative person to run in decades and is far to the right of most Americans.

And disgruntled Trump supporters wouldn’t vote for him.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Right and the high drama/bitterness is what ruins the GOP’s chances. If Trump takes it, the Never Trump people don’t vote and if Cruz wins on a second ballot (which I think is very likely if it goes to an open convention and Trump does not win on the first ballot), then the Trump people walk - actually I saw something about how 68% of Trump supporters would vote for the Republican nominee if it was not Trump. I believe around 80% of the GOP vote would for Trump (NeverTrumpers, social conservatives, etc. walk). Those numbers both spell November defeat for the GOP.

Agree on Kasich. If he is so great and so many people love him, what the hell is going on? No one is voting for the guy, anywhere. His argument for getting the nomination is a joke, and I say this actually personally liking him, in some ways, the best of all.

The GOP’s only hope is a strong, divisive Bernie Sanders challenge all the way to the convention and that Bernie’s supporters don’t come out for Hillary in big numbers, maybe 75% of them show up, the millennials stay home, in spite of all the Dem pressure and anti-Cruz scare tactics. The Dems do downplay the Bernie threat, popularity - it is worrying them. Hillary is old school stuff.

But even best case scenario, with a good chunk of Sanders fringe support not voting for Hillary, will it be enough to push Cruz into the White House? Doubt it. Maybe. (I think enough Dems will come out to vote over the number of GOP voters who unite - Cruz or Trump, same deal.)
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I don’t know how true it is but I heard the other day from one of the talking heads on cable news that Hillary might not need as many of Bernie’s voters as some people think. His point seemed to be that those voters who have never voted before who are backing Bernie never voted before anyway. I myself have never missed voting and am supporting Bernie but will jump to Hillary the moment she secures the nomination. Bernie said tonight that Democrats will get behind the nominee when all of this is over against whomever the Republicans nominate. I tend to agree. Trump or Cruz will bring Democrats out and unite the party.
 
Thorolfr said:
I think that the more that average US citizens get to know Ted Cruz and his views, the less they are going to like him. If he is the Republican candidate, he’d be the most conservative person to run in decades and is far to the right of most Americans.

And disgruntled Trump supporters wouldn’t vote for him.
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That is the game plan. 👍

But maybe the GOP would rather lose with Cruz than risk the party forever going down in flames with Trump. And the far right could finally get it out of their system that they didn’t win in 08 and 12 because McCain and Romney weren’t far right enough.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Adding to the creep factor:

nydailynews.com/news/national/ted-cruz-talks-watching-porn-sandra-day-o-connor-article-1.2600631

With his two young daughters just feet away from him, Republican presidential contender Ted Cruz told the bizarre story of how he watched porn with Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor.

Before discussing his relationship with his wife and Caroline’s upcoming birthday party, Cruz discussed how he once had to watch porn as part of his duties as a law clerk for the Supreme Court, a strange tale he first recounted in his 2015 memoir.

“The chapter begins with me watching pornography on the Internet with Sandra Day O’Connor, which was a bit of a bizarre experience,” he told Anderson Cooper, adding that the court librarians prepared a lesson for the justices and their clerks to demonstrate how the abundance of Internet porn ahead of a case considering the regulation of such graphic material.
How is that a relevant piece of information? How is that appropriate to say in front of your young kids? Do his kids not ask questions at home about what mom and dad say?

Creepy.
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After listening to Ted Cruz in an hour Town Hall meeting today hosted by Chuck Todd, the only things I heard from him are that he is against abortion, in favor of a flat tax, and does not intend to ban birth control or IVF. I kept wondering, as I always do while listening to Cruz, this is a man who went to Princeton and was head of the Law Review at Harvard Law School?
 
meltzerboy said:
After listening to Ted Cruz in an hour Town Hall meeting today hosted by Chuck Todd, the only things I heard from him are that he is against abortion, in favor of a flat tax, and does not intend to ban birth control or IVF. I kept wondering, as I always do while listening to Cruz, this is a man who went to Princeton and was head of the Law Review at Harvard Law School?
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The flat tax is not a bad idea. There are so many loopholes and clauses that only the wealthy can take advantage of. Some people are happy taking the standard deduction, while others game the system and want to deduct millions using schedule A. Hillary and Bill, for example, took $5 million or so in Schedule A deductions. I think a flat tax with no deductions and everyone pays the same percent is more fair.
 
meltzerboy said:
After listening to Ted Cruz in an hour Town Hall meeting today hosted by Chuck Todd, the only things I heard from him are that he is against abortion, in favor of a flat tax, and does not intend to ban birth control or IVF. I kept wondering, as I always do while listening to Cruz, this is a man who went to Princeton and was head of the Law Review at Harvard Law School?
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I heard he also eats a lot of wings for dinner on the trail and likes soup and nachos too.
 
Peter_J said:
If it makes you feel better, the idea of an HRC presidency is less scary to me than the possibility of the Republican Party ceasing to exist.
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I don’t think the Republican Party is going to cease to exist any time soon. Both parties undergo changes from time to time, but I think the Republican Party will be around a long, long time. Same for the Democratic.
 
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