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Cruz is finishing a distant third in New York. People are actually voting. He only wins when there aren’t actual people voting.
He does well in caucus states, but that seems to be it. The general election is not a caucus, so I don’t see how Cruz could ever win it. Oh, if nominated, he would have time to win over the public, but he’s not possessed of a winning personality, he doesn’t have the likability factor. None of the candidates really have charisma, not even Trump. He just draws people who are angry with the establishment.
 
Cruz is finishing a distant third in New York. People are actually voting. He only wins when there aren’t actual people voting.
It’s Trump home state. The winner of New York only gets 14 delegates. The key bulk of delegates is awarded from getting from getting over 50% in congressional districts.

Correct me if I am wrong but I think Cruz has won more primaries than caucuses, or its equal, but he’s done well in non-caucus primaries. But people vote in caucuses too.
 
He does well in caucus states, but that seems to be it. The general election is not a caucus, so I don’t see how Cruz could ever win it. Oh, if nominated, he would have time to win over the public, but he’s not possessed of a winning personality, he doesn’t have the likability factor. None of the candidates really have charisma, not even Trump. He just draws people who are angry with the establishment.
Out of the eleven states Cruz has won, I believe four have been caucuses. Am I wrong?
 
I believe that miscarried children have a soul, however that is just my belief. And surely any child who is born and living has a soul.

However, please don’t mislead people about Church teaching. The Church does NOT teach, in ANY document about when God infuses a new life with an immortal soul. That it happens immediately when it happens is not a question, but the Church does NOT teach WHEN it happens. People have a right to know the truth about Church teaching. This does not mean the Church ever condones abortion. Of course it doesn’t.

I’m sure you can find someone who believes it happens at the moment of conception, just as I’m sure someone else can find people who say it doesn’t happen until birth, etc.
Yes, the Church DOES teach that a soul is infused at the moment of conception.

II. “BODY AND SOUL BUT TRULY ONE”

362 The human person, created in the image of God,** is a being at once corporeal and spiritual**. The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that "then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."229 Man, whole and entire, is therefore willed by God.

364 The human body shares in the dignity of “the image of God”: it is a human body precisely because it is animated by a spiritual soul, and it is the whole human person that is intended to become, in the body of Christ, a temple of the Spirit:232

Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity. Through his very bodily condition he sums up in himself the elements of the material world. Through him they are thus brought to their highest perfection and can raise their voice in praise freely given to the Creator. For this reason man may not despise his bodily life. Rather he is obliged to regard his body as good and to hold it in honor since God has created it and will raise it up on the last day. 233

365 The **unity of soul and body **is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the “form” of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.

366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not “produced” by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235

382 “Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity” (GS 14 § 1). The doctrine of the faith affirms that the spiritual and immortal soul is created immediately by God.

2270 **Human life **must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. **From the first moment of his existence, a human being **must be recognized as having **the rights of a person **- among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

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2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:
"The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every **human being’s right to life **and physical integrity **from the moment of conception **until death."80
"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child’s rights."81
2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.
2319 Every **human life, from the moment of conception **until death, is sacred because the human person has been willed for its own sake in the image and likeness of the living and holy God.
2322 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a “criminal” practice (GS 27 § 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. The Church imposes the canonical penalty of excommunication for this crime against human life.
2323 Because it should be treated as a person from conception, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed** like every other human being**.
The Church teaches explicitly that the body and soul make up a human being, a person. That the soul is what animates the body and because it contains a soul, it is a human being, a person. The Church teaches that from the moment of conception, he/she is a human person, a human being, a life. Without a soul, the body is not a person.

You seem to have grasped on to one document that did want to go into the full details and arguments about when the soul was created, as somehow proof the Church doesn’t teach the soul is created at conception. This is false. And just as with your earlier claim that Fr. Pavone said it’s okay to vote for pro-abortion politicians, we see this claim made by you is false as well.
Edit: In post #1038, I am not trying to exhort people to vote for a Democrat. I’m just saying they should consider all the issues and whether or not their conscience is well-formed, and vote for the candidate they choose. I do not try to influence anyone’s vote.
You are running full-throated apologetics for the Democratic candidates on 4 separate threads, all attempting to justify ignoring Church teaching and voting for those opposed to the Christian faith.
 
You realize that is not acceptable. As Americans, we really don’t like mysteries. Everything has to be yes or no, black or white, no ambiguity qllowed.

This is where Catholicism and America (Protestantism) diverge. As a Catholic, I admit I don’t know how the host becomes Christ, I just know it does. I also don’t know when the soul is combined with the body, I only know that by the time a child is born the soul is there.

I also know that my first pregnancy ended at 12 weeks. The doctor said the fetus had died at 10 weeks. Did God infuse this combination of cells with a soul just for it to die (it didn’t even have an identifiable sex). And before any of you suggest I didn’t mourn, I did.

Yes, it had ears and eyes. And, according to the doctor, I did nothing wrong ( 1 in 5 pregnancies end in miscarriage).

So, did God infuse this fetus with a soul knowing that it wouldn’t make it to life?
I’m so sorry for your loss. Yes, your child has a soul. A soul that is being cared for perfectly by our heavenly Father. Of course you did nothing wrong.

In another post you asked about Masses and prayers. If you wish, you may have Masses said for your child, such would be a beautiful thing. God is outside of time, and it is never too late to have a Mass said.

The death of children is extremely tough for us to understand and grapple with, trying to reconcile how a loving God can allow such pain to those who are innocent. But we must know that He loves us and He will wipe away all tears.
 
So glad that some one else gets that Protestants don’t support Catholic beliefs. After all, they thought Catholics were evil and should not be recognized. Check your history, Catholics were not exactly welcomed in colonial America.
As far as I know, none of the candidates remaining is Catholic.
 
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The Church teaches explicitly that the body and soul make up a human being, a person. That the soul is what animates the body and because it contains a soul, it is a human being, a person. The Church teaches that from the moment of conception, he/she is a human person, a human being, a life. Without a soul, the body is not a person.

You seem to have grasped on to one document that did want to go into the full details and arguments about when the soul was created, as somehow proof the Church doesn’t teach the soul is created at conception. This is false. And just as with your earlier claim that Fr. Pavone said it’s okay to vote for pro-abortion politicians, we see this claim made by you is false as well.

You are running full-throated apologetics for the Democratic candidates on 4 separate threads, all attempting to justify ignoring Church teaching and voting for those opposed to the Christian faith.
Of course humans are a body-soul, but nothing you highlighted tells when the soul is infused.

No, I’m not fulfilling your accusation. There is no Church teaching telling us when the soul is infused. And the Church teaches we can vote for the “best candidate” after a consideration of all issues. I’m doing nothing that is opposed to Church teaching.

There are links to all I’ve said on other threads. And the only candidate who is not a Christian is Sanders, and he seems the most honest and caring of them all.
 
As far as I know, none of the candidates remaining is Catholic.
No, none of them are Catholic. Kasich left the Catholic Church. Might have been the Eastern Catholic, but at one time he practiced Catholicism. Doesn’t any more.
 
I am not in favor of abortion. Not at all. But I think we need a Constitutional amendment making the unborn “persons” with full rights.
No chance of that because the Dem party would block any attempt to do it. National Abortion Rights Action League endorses nearly every one of them in Congress, because nearly every one of them supports abortion.
 
There are links to all I’ve said on other threads. And the only candidate who is not a Christian is Sanders, and he seems the most honest and caring of them all.
But is he?

When one promises free stuff to everybody and proposes taxes that he knows can’t possibly pass congress, is he being honest? Despite the jokes about him, he isn’t senile. He knows he’s promising things he can’t deliver. And nobody who supports abortion on demand can be thought of as “caring”. It takes a major hardness of heart to do that.
 
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I think the Founding Fathers went to great lengths to separate church and state, and I don’t think it was a particularly good idea.

I am not in favor of abortion. Not at all. But I think we need a Constitutional amendment making the unborn “persons” with full rights.
And you think the way to accomplish that is voting for pro-abortion candidates???
 
But is he?

When one promises free stuff to everybody and proposes taxes that he knows can’t possibly pass congress, is he being honest? Despite the jokes about him, he isn’t senile. He knows he’s promising things he can’t deliver. And nobody who supports abortion on demand can be thought of as “caring”. It takes a major hardness of heart to do that.
I think Sanders does believe he can deliver on his promises. He may be wrong but he seems to believe in doing what most others would call impossible.

Cruz is another story. However, on social issues, I think Cruz is a true believer.
 
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And you think the way to accomplish that is voting for pro-abortion candidates???
I think it’s more that We-need-to-amend-the-constitution leads pro-lifers down a path that they will get completely stuck in.
 
Of course humans are a body-soul, but nothing you highlighted tells when the soul is infused.

No, I’m not fulfilling your accusation. There is no Church teaching telling us when the soul is infused. And the Church teaches we can vote for the “best candidate” after a consideration of all issues. I’m doing nothing that is opposed to Church teaching.

There are links to all I’ve said on other threads. And the only candidate who is not a Christian is Sanders, and he seems the most honest and caring of them all.
The Church teaches that:
  1. Life begins at conception.
  2. It is human life
  3. Humans are a union of soul and body
  4. The soul gives life to the body
  5. A person has both soul and body.
  6. It is a person at conception.
Ergo, there is a soul infused at conception. If the soul is not infused at conception, then the body is not alive, and not a person. The Church teaches at conception a person is alive.

And you can’t weasel out of your support of pro-abortion politicians by claiming you want a constitutional amendment outlawing abortion. You vote into power those who would prevent such an amendment from ever passing. You support those who are virulently opposed to the Christian faith.

And I don’t find Sanders caring at all. He supports killing babies. Such a person is not caring.
 
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