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Expatreprocedit said:
I believe Cruz is probably sincere on being against abortion rights. Almost anything on abortion he could get through Congress would be struck down by the Supreme Court. OTOH, he would probably be successful in blocking any Congressional action to limit access to guns, e.g. background checks. With the Presidential powers he could also get the US involved in an unjust military action very easily. That is the analysis I would have to go through were he the GOP nominee, which I don’t think is going to happen.
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And that’s exactly how one weighs issues proportionally. 👍
 
Expatreprocedit said:
As important as it is, abortion is not the only life issue. And more importantly, political decisions such as voting can be guided by, besides positions on issues, prudential judgment as to whether those stands will translate into action. As one who has followed politics for 40 years, it is my prudential judgment that the abortion issue is far down on the Republican list of priorities. Republican administrations rarely, if ever, accomplish anything on the abortion issue. On the other hand, they are very effective with other items on their agenda, many of which I find odious.

I am not necessarily going to vote for Hillary Clinton, but I am not going to be told I am morally obligated to believe in the Republicans’ sincerity on the life issue.
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George W. Bush was the last Republican president and although not impeccable on life issues, he did have many pro-life accomplishments. You can read about some
of them here: nrlc.org/uploads/records/bush43record0109.pdf

The next president will nominate a minimum of one Supreme Court judge, unless one is appointed before the next president comes into office, and because of the age of the justices, at least three justices currently on the court could be named during the next president’s term or two terms. How long Roe v Wade stands, religious liberty and state enacted abortion restriction legislation are potentially at stake with this election.
 
zz912 said:
It’s hard to put into words how atrocious and terrible it is to see Catholics who support such evil. But there are many.
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It really comes down to a basic question. Does one’s faith form their politics or does one’s politics form their faith ? If you find yourself supporting candidates who stand in direct opposition to core moral teachings of the church you know the answer to the question is a latter.
 
estesbob said:
It really comes down to a basic question. Does one’s faith form their politics or does one’s politics form their faith ? If you find yourself supporting candidates who stand in direct opposition to core moral teachings of the church you know the answer to the question is a latter.
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estesbob said:
It really comes down to a basic question. Does one’s faith form their politics or does one’s politics form their faith ? If you find yourself supporting candidates who stand in direct opposition to core moral teachings of the church you know the answer to the question is a latter.
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AMEN.

It’s hard to take anyone seriously when they say they care for the life of the unborn yet will vote for someone who opposes any restrictions on abortion when there is an option to vote for someone who would work to restrict it.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Why do all his fellow Congressmen hate him so?
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Why is Hillary Clinton’s likeability in the toilet?

Personally, I couldn’t care less if someone is likeable. I vote for the ideology their represent.

Most people seemed to like both Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan, and yet there were complete polar opposites ideologically and in terms of effectiveness.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
I believe Cruz is probably sincere on being against abortion rights. Almost anything on abortion he could get through Congress would be struck down by the Supreme Court.
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Shorter: “We might fail, so we better not try at all.”
OTOH, he would probably be successful in blocking any Congressional action to limit access to guns, e.g. background checks.
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We already have background checks for guns.
With the Presidential powers he could also get the US involved in an unjust military action very easily.
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Have you been asleep the last 7 years?
That is the analysis I would have to go through were he the GOP nominee, which I don’t think is going to happen.
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Basically excuse-making so you can ignore Church teaching and support a virulently pro-abortion politician.
 
estesbob said:
It really comes down to a basic question. Does one’s faith form their politics or does one’s politics form their faith ? If you find yourself supporting candidates who stand in direct opposition to core moral teachings of the church you know the answer to the question is a latter.
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This is the truth in a nutshell.
 
Maximilan_Kolbe said:
Why is Hillary Clinton’s likeability in the toilet?

Personally, I couldn’t care less if someone is likeable. I vote for the ideology their represent.

Most people seemed to like both Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan, and yet there were complete polar opposites ideologically and in terms of effectiveness.
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Her likability factor is higher than Trump’s, and he won by an even bigger margin than Hillary. People aren’t voting for someone they like, they’re voting for someone they feel is qualified to run the country. Hillary has millions more votes than anyone else running, in either party, and a lot of Democrats aren’t even voting in the primaries because they are certain Hillary will be the nominee.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Her likability factor is higher than Trump’s, and he won by an even bigger margin than Hillary. People aren’t voting for someone they like, they’re voting for someone they feel is qualified to run the country. Hillary has millions more votes than anyone else running, in either party, and a lot of Democrats aren’t even voting in the primaries because they are certain Hillary will be the nominee.
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Keep in mind that Trump was splitting the vote with up to 17 other candidates in the early primaries.Comparisons of the total vote she is received thus far as compared to those Trump has received are meaningless
 
estesbob said:
Keep in mind that Trump was splitting the vote with up to 17 other candidates in the early primaries.Comparisons of the total vote she is received thus far as compared to those Trump has received are meaningless
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Good point. It’s been a much smaller field on the Democratic side.
 
estesbob said:
Keep in mind that Trump was splitting the vote with up to 17 other candidates in the early primaries.Comparisons of the total vote she is received thus far as compared to those Trump has received are meaningless
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I’m not talking about delegates. I’m talking about actual votes. Even taking the Repub. rules into consideration, she has millions more votes than anyone else. Some people may not like her, but they believe she is qualified. Other people do, genuinely, like her.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I’m not talking about delegates. I’m talking about actual votes. Even taking the Repub. rules into consideration, she has millions more votes than anyone else. Some people may not like her, but they believe she is qualified. Other people do, genuinely, like her.
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Isn’t it easier to get more votes when there is a much smaller field?
 
To get back to Ted Cruz, after his terrible outcome in NY yesterday, I don’t think anyone can be optimistic about his chances in the General. I know NY is Trump’s home state, but Cruz’s distant third place finish shows how poorly he does among a certain demographic, even if they’re Republicans. I’m talking about the more sophisticated, more “worldly”, less ideological, non-southern demographic. And the GOP nominee will meet that demographic not only in NY, but in the rest of the NE states, in Cailfornia and the entire West Coast. And the GOP nominee will have to do well with that group, and that group just does not like Cruz.

I say this as an unaffiliated who would really like to see Hillary at least get a good challenge in the fall.
 
Having more candidates to choose from (vote for) is better for the voter. Of course, the choosing must be honest, above board, and not mathematically skewed by delegates that can ignore the majority of votes cast. The use of “super delegates” that simply have been given carte blanche to overrule votes cast, and decide who the candidate will be, is dishonest and needs to be stopped. Rigged!

The Democrat Party hasn’t managed to keep their trickery in the backroom as much as the Republicans using a differing method; but as to be expected - they both have finally been caught.

Thanks once more to Donald Trump who let everybody know that he had been tricked also. Now he has to finish the race with having given his opponents a headstart in gathering up delegates, and hold off the backroom boys from bringing in their “better idea”.

Everybody that tries to stay informed lifted their heads up and said “What??” when the tricks began to trickle out. Its drip, drip, drip, all over again (coulda been said by Yogi B.)
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I’m not talking about delegates. I’m talking about actual votes. Even taking the Repub. rules into consideration, she has millions more votes than anyone else. Some people may not like her, but they believe she is qualified. Other people do, genuinely, like her.
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Then why did you bring up Cruz’s likeability at all?
 
Expatreprocedit said:
To get back to Ted Cruz, after his terrible outcome in NY yesterday, I don’t think anyone can be optimistic about his chances in the General. I know NY is Trump’s home state, but Cruz’s distant third place finish shows how poorly he does among a certain demographic, even if they’re Republicans. I’m talking about the more sophisticated, more “worldly”, less ideological, non-southern demographic. And the GOP nominee will meet that demographic not only in NY, but in the rest of the NE states, in Cailfornia and the entire West Coast. And the GOP nominee will have to do well with that group, and that group just does not like Cruz.

I say this as an unaffiliated who would really like to see Hillary at least get a good challenge in the fall.
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California, New York the rest of the West Coast are not going to be in contention for the Republicans for either Cruz or Trump in a General Election. But how long as it been for Republicans? That is not unique for just these candidates in this election.

Most of the North Eastern states are also safe blue states in the electoral college for Democrats, are they not?. Isn’t the only state that is more contested between Republicans and Democrats in the North East is Pennsylvania? That Republican primary will come next week.
 
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