Cumorah

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That map is shocking. Will any true blue mormon reply to that map?
 
PaulDupre said:
The problem is that Mormons are not allowed to read anything that is not “faith-promoting”. So they choose to be willfuly ignorant of these truths.
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We AREN’T?

Paul, you really need to be careful of what you claim about what Mormons can, and cannot, do when there’s a Mormon here who can tell you that the statements you make are false to fact.
 
SirThomasMore said:
dianaiad;6852398:
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Wrong again, Diana. First, I find it odd that you address Paul’s comment and not the real issue of this thread.

Second, I WAS LDS…I was ORDERED not to read things that did not promote faith. I was Excommunicated (after I requested my name removed from LDS rolls) for speaking against the LDS Church IN MY OWN HOME.

So, Paul is the only one in your dialogue who is telling the truth
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They ex’d you after you requested name removal? That’s a big no no.

There was a legal case regarding that, and the church lost.
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TikiTokiguy said:
That map is shocking. Will any true blue mormon reply to that map?
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Of course…and I don’t even have to do this myself. go here.

From that you can see how Holley, while claiming that the Book of Mormon map matches Joseph Smith’s neighborhood, didn’t come close to placing the names where they were described as being in the BoM.

Whether you agree with this response or not, please stop assuming that this hasn’t been addressed and that “True Believing Mormons” cannot, and will not, deal with it.
 
twopekinguys said:
SirThomasMore;6852434:
They ex’d you after you requested name removal? That’s a big no no.

There was a legal case regarding that, and the church lost.
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Yep. AFTER I began asking quations due to things I read in LDS books, they told me to NOT ask questions, just BELIEVE. When I later asked to be released from my callings, they began to harass me. Then they tried to kidnap my children. So I asked my name to be removed from the LDS Rolls…then I got a letter telling me I had to attend a Church Court. I refused. They exd me. I was told later that one of the accusations was that I spoke against the LDS Church IN MY HOME
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dianaiad said:
Of course…and I don’t even have to do this myself. go here.

From that you can see how Holley, while claiming that the Book of Mormon map matches Joseph Smith’s neighborhood, didn’t come close to placing the names where they were described as being in the BoM.

Whether you agree with this response or not, please stop assuming that this hasn’t been addressed and that “True Believing Mormons” cannot, and will not, deal with it.
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lol…I always expect the sheep to blindly follow what LDS leaders and apologists can dream up. Holley’s work is good and the similar names are funny, sad, and scary.
 
Uh, does anyone else want a Mormon to explain why the LDS church has stated that the Hill Cumorah from the Book of Mormon is in New York, but they now claim not to know where it is!!!

Someone has posted a letter (twopekingguys?) and I posted excerpts from the Ensign showing that the LDS church knows (not thinks) that Cumorah is in NY and is in the same America that Columbus discovered.

How in the world can anyone overlook this!!!

Why are they holding an annual pageant on the site but not excavating it???

Holy cow. Somebody please help me understand how people can parade around in costumes and not be looking for a museum filled with artifacts!!!
 
Some LDS have explained to me that if they found real evidence, it would spoil everything, because then they would not be able to live by faith. That’s why they don’t excavate the Hill Cumorah. :rolleyes:
 
TikiTokiguy said:
That map is shocking. Will any true blue mormon reply to that map?
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This is one of the funniest conversations I’ve seen on this forum. “Shocking”? No–par for the course for people with the tiniest bit of knowledge about their subject and yet able to be believed by people with even less knowledge about the subject. Such is life.🙂
 
SirThomasMore said:
One thing that has puzzled me…

At the hill Cumorah, where Joe allegedly found the plates, at least two huge battles took place. LDS leaders have stated unequivocally that the Jaredites AND the Nephites/Lamanites had great battles at Cumorah where literally hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people were killed. We also read in the Book of Mormon that the Nephites used chariots pulled by horses.
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Where is Cumorah? And when did the battle take place?
Horses were not living in America until the Spanish brought them over from Europe. I was just curious if this battle of Cumorah was pre or post Columbian exchange.
 
PaulDupre said:
Some LDS have explained to me that if they found real evidence, it would spoil everything, because then they would not be able to live by faith. That’s why they don’t excavate the Hill Cumorah. :rolleyes:
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PaulDupre-

There was another thread started by SirTMore I believe about a man that was spending his time trying to prove the BoM through excavation and was hoping the Mormon church would continue his work after he died. Some Mormons had been working to prove the BoM true, but have stopped for whatever reason.

I have also been told by a missionary that God is tricking us and wanting to see if we will remain faithful despite lack of evidence. I asked him “you believe God tricks people?”
He turned red in the face, smiled, and offered me a BoM.

I guess I am so frustrated because after reading the posts of Diana, Parker and others, it is evident that they are very intelligent individuals and I know they have looked at the Catholic faith with a very critical eye.

Why not turn that same critical eye to the LDS faith? Anything that is true will hold up. There shouldn’t be anything to hold one back from asking questions.

Anyway, I guess they’d run me out on a rail for asking too many questions!
 
ParkerD said:
This is one of the funniest conversations I’ve seen on this forum. “Shocking”? No–par for the course for people with the tiniest bit of knowledge about their subject and yet able to be believed by people with even less knowledge about the subject. Such is life.🙂
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Hi Parker - Where do YOU say Cumorah is?
 
twopekinguys said:
They ex’d you after you requested name removal? That’s a big no no.

There was a legal case regarding that, and the church lost.
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That court case was just a year or so prior to my request for name removal. The policy had not yet filtered down to the local leadership, and I was certainly not aware of it. Like STM, when I requested my name be removed from the records, I was charged with apostacy and summoned to a church court. I politely declined to attend, informing the bishop that I no longer recognized his authority. The court was held in my absence, and my wife and I were ex’d for apostacy.

It was many years later that I learned of the court case.
 
twopekinguys said:
SirThomasMore;6852434:
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Wrong again, Diana. First, I find it odd that you address Paul’s comment and not the real issue of this thread.

Second, I WAS LDS…I was ORDERED not to read things that did not promote faith. I was Excommunicated (after I requested my name removed from LDS rolls) for speaking against the LDS Church IN MY OWN HOME.

So, Paul is the only one in your dialogue who is telling the truth
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Are you calling me a liar?
twopekinguys said:
[They ex’d you after you requested name removal? That’s a big no no.

There was a legal case regarding that, and the church lost.

They ex’d you after you requested name removal? That’s a big no no.

There was a legal case regarding that, and the church lost.
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I did not write the words you have here attributed to me.

I do not believe that he was ORDERED not read things that did not promote faith, and I do not believe that he was excommunicated AFTER he requested for ‘speaking out against the church in his own home after asking to have his name removed.’

I can believe that he was excommunicated for 'speaking out against the church in his own home," because the place one expresses heresy doesn’t change the heresy. The fact that he spoke against the church in front of witnesses is sufficient.

…as, by the way, is it sufficient for Catholics and everybody else. No belief system is required to allow members to remain members when they publically disagree with doctrine…and ‘publically’ means 'in front of others, ’ not 'anyplace but my house."

Shoot, Catholics don’t even wait for courts and evidence to excommunicate people. They have this policy of automatic excommunications; it’s quite possible for a Catholic to be excommunicated—and never know it.
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John_Paul_Jones said:
Where is Cumorah? And when did the battle take place?
Horses were not living in America until the Spanish brought them over from Europe. I was just curious if this battle of Cumorah was pre or post Columbian exchange.
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The battle supposedly took place around 400 AD, nearly 1100 years before Columbus.

The General Authorities of the LDS Church have always maintained that the Hill Cumorah in New York is the same Cumorah spoken of in the Book of Mormon.
 
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