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[SteveVH]

really? Show me a single LDS response on this thread…

I will be waiting

I remember another LDS thread to which there were no LDS responses; The Book of Abraham. So yes, while it is not fair to say that Mormons do not dialogue with us in a general sense (they certainly do), there are certain issues on which they are unanimously silent. This is one of those.

 

[Marie5890]

I remember another LDS thread to which there were no LDS responses; The Book of Abraham. So yes, while it is not fair to say that Mormons do not dialogue with us in a general sense (they certainly do), there are certain issues on which they are unanimously silent. This is one of those.

Can’t speak for the Mormons here at CAF butI remember when I was LDS making the choice of not engaging in certain topics. For me, it wasnt worth it.

I still find it easy to walk away when it’s clear that charitable discussions will likely not take place. And in all honesty, got zero to do with Mormonism, and more to do with growing up with an alcoholic parent…

Somethings are just fruitless so I dont bother.

It’s important to remember the LDS teaching that contention is of the devil and drives away the spirit…Perhaps that is coming into play as to why some of our Mormon friends are not engaging certain topics…Just a reminder.

Here is a link to the teaching and within it a link to their scripture that expresses this teaching

lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=cb45a41f6cc20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

 

[TexanKnight]

What should it tell me?

That LDS are not willing to dialogue?

I think that the fact that there have been numerous LDS who have engaged in all sorts of dialogue here on the CAFs belies that fact…

still waiting

 

[TexanKnight]

Can’t speak for the Mormons here at CAF butI remember when I was LDS making the choice of not engaging in certain topics. For me, it wasnt worth it.

I still find it easy to walk away when it’s clear that charitable discussions will likely not take place. And in all honesty, got zero to do with Mormonism, and more to do with growing up with an alcoholic parent…

Somethings are just fruitless so I dont bother.

It’s important to remember the LDS teaching that contention is of the devil and drives away the spirit…Perhaps that is coming into play as to why some of our Mormon friends are not engaging certain topics…Just a reminder.

lol…I find it hard to believe that they come to a Catholic discussion board and decide they dislike contention…the same group that called Catholics the Church of Satan

no…they respond fine until there is a topic that has no response that passes the smell test.

 

[PRmerger]

still waiting

For what?

 

[TexanKnight]

For what?

Geez…could you please read the thread?

You made the comment that they respond…I challenged you to show me ONE lds response in this thread…since this thread is the one about which I was speaking.

Been waiting

 

[PRmerger]

lol…I find it hard to believe that they come to a Catholic discussion board and decide they dislike contention…

Perhaps they come to a Catholic discussion board hoping to find charitable Catholics who can dialogue on issues of religion.

I know they have found that with me.

 

[PRmerger]

Geez…could you please read the thread?

You made the comment that they respond…I challenged you to show me ONE lds response in this thread…since this thread is the one about which I was speaking.

Been waiting

Oh! Now I see where your error lies.

You think I said that they have responded in this thread.

Perhaps you missed the part where I said that this is not in dispute.

Clearly you did miss that.

That would explain your weird post of saying that you are waiting for something from me.

Here is where I said that it is not in dispute.

That no LDS has responded on this thread is not in dispute.

 

[TexanKnight]

Perhaps they come to a Catholic discussion board hoping to find charitable Catholics who can dialogue on issues of religion.

I know they have found that with me.

Good.

Some folks have tolerance for false prophets and false teachings. Having been LDS and the experiences I had leaving it, I am not one who tolerates it. I also know that the agenda of every lds who follows their prophets’ teaching (and they all claim they do) is to convert. There is no middle ground.

I have my calling…you have yours.

Once we start to tolerate, there is no real stopping the flood.

Now…I am still waiting

 

[PRmerger]

Now…I am still waiting

 

[TexanKnight]

Oh! Now I see where your error lies.

You think I said that they have responded in this thread.

Perhaps you missed the part where I said that this is not in dispute.

Clearly you did miss that.

That would explain your weird post of saying that you are waiting for something from me.

Here is where I said that it is not in dispute.

no…I did not miss it. Since my comment was only regarding THIS thread…it seemed odd you would bring up a different thread unless you simply wanted to argue.

Relevance is everything. And thank you for admitting my comment was truthful and yours had no relevance

 

[SteveVH]

Can’t speak for the Mormons here at CAF butI remember when I was LDS making the choice of not engaging in certain topics. For me, it wasnt worth it.

I still find it easy to walk away when it’s clear that charitable discussions will likely not take place. And in all honesty, got zero to do with Mormonism, and more to do with growing up with an alcoholic parent…

Somethings are just fruitless so I dont bother.

It’s important to remember the LDS teaching that contention is of the devil and drives away the spirit…Perhaps that is coming into play as to why some of our Mormon friends are not engaging certain topics…Just a reminder.

Here is a link to the teaching and within it a link to their scripture that expresses this teaching

lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=cb45a41f6cc20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

Thanks Marie. They certainly don’t mind “contention” when you are a Catholic on a Mormon forum. But your point is well taken. I wish we could just stick to discussion of doctrines and beliefs and drop all the personal stuff. It does, however, seem a little strange that there are certain issues to which none respond. We are then left to our own conclusions on why this might be. As you have demonstrated, there are more reasons then one might guess.

 

[Marie5890]

Thanks Marie. They certainly don’t mind “contention” when you are a Catholic on a Mormon forum. But your point is well taken. I wish we could just stick to discussion of doctrines and beliefs and drop all the personal stuff. It does, however, seem a little strange that there are certain issues to which none respond. We are then left to our own conclusions on why this might be. As you have demonstrated, there are more reasons then one might guess.

For me, I really do and did just walk away…
Can’t speak to others, but that is a possibility.

 

[TexanKnight]

Thanks Marie. They certainly don’t mind “contention” when you are a Catholic on a Mormon forum. But your point is well taken. I wish we could just stick to discussion of doctrines and beliefs and drop all the personal stuff. It does, however, seem a little strange that there are certain issues to which none respond. We are then left to our own conclusions on why this might be. As you have demonstrated, there are more reasons then one might guess.

I disagree. As a former LDS, and knowing how they are on LDS boards and what topics you get silenced for, there is doubtful an agenda as an high-falluting as that. They simply will not respond to issues that make them look bad

 

[SteveVH]

I disagree. As a former LDS, and knowing how they are on LDS boards and what topics you get silenced for, there is doubtful an agenda as an high-falluting as that. They simply will not respond to issues that make them look bad

I am completely confused by your comments. I have said that there are certain issues which they will not discuss. I have also said that there may be many reasons as to why that may be the case. Until you can show me that you can read hearts, your opinion is just your opinion. In my opinion, many LDS have left this forum for good specifically because of you. You will probably wear that as a badge of honor, but it really doesn’t get us anywhere. There is constant attacking and very little substantive discussion. I wouldn’t come here either. Sorry, but it is time that it was said. And it is sad because you have a lot to offer that will never be heard.

 

[TexanKnight]

I am completely confused by your comments. I have said that there are certain issues which they will not discuss. I have also said that there may be many reasons as to why that may be the case. Until you can show me that you can read hearts, your opinion is just your opinion. In my opinion, many LDS have left this forum for good specifically because of you. You will probably wear that as a badge of honor, but it really doesn’t get us anywhere. There is constant attacking and very little substantive discussion. I wouldn’t come here either. Sorry, but it is time that it was said. And it is sad because you have a lot to offer that will never be heard.

Have you been LDS?

Have you been harassed night day because you wanted to leave?

Have you had people attempt to kidnap your kids because you chose to leave?

I am asking only to understand your perspective

 

[SteveVH]

Have you been LDS?

Have you been harassed night day because you wanted to leave?

Have you had people attempt to kidnap your kids because you chose to leave?

I am asking only to understand your perspective

No, I have never been LDS. But the issues you bring up here are personal and really have no place on a forum of which the purpose is to discuss different faith traditions. This isn’t the place to take out your personal frustrations. You harm the ability of the rest of us to actually have a dialogue.

 

[TexanKnight]

No, I have never been LDS. But the issues you bring up here are personal and really have no place on a forum of which the purpose is to discuss different faith traditions. This isn’t the place to take out your personal frustrations. You harm the ability of the rest of us to actually have a dialogue.

Ah…don’t judge me. I am not taking out my personal frustrations. I am being very honest about what the lds church is and what they do. I asked my questions because you really have no clue. And that is good.

But I know how I was trained…how we were all trained. We went to people’s houses. we told them what they believed was wrong…and if they asked questions we could not answer, we were told to leave. If they asked questions that were too hard, we were told to wipe the dust off our feet.

Nothing was sacred. When you left, you were harassed. Sound like a fear of disputing?

My only point is, knowing how they do their thing, I do my thing. If some left here, it is not because of me or any one person…it is because we ask what they can’t answer. They realize a few of us know, so they move to more fertile grounds.

It is how we were taught.

If you have not been thru it, you will not understand.

And I am happy for you for that

 

[LivingWaters7]

I am completely confused by your comments. I have said that there are certain issues which they will not discuss. I have also said that there may be many reasons as to why that may be the case. Until you can show me that you can read hearts, your opinion is just your opinion. In my opinion, many LDS have left this forum for good specifically because of you. You will probably wear that as a badge of honor, but it really doesn’t get us anywhere. There is constant attacking and very little substantive discussion. I wouldn’t come here either. Sorry, but it is time that it was said. And it is sad because you have a lot to offer that will never be heard.

:clapping::clapping:

I completely agree with you and Marie.

And as someone that began here as a believing Latter-day Saint that participated in many of the LDS-related threads (and I certainly did not come here to proselytize, and frankly, I don’t think most of the LDS posters do come here to proselytize, in my opinion), your assessment is correct. It becomes a “why bother” when you see the discussion (more like “discussion”) is pointless and non-substantive. I completely understand where the LDS posters are coming from in not participating in certain threads or responding to posts made by certain individuals, not because they don’t have arguments and reasons that they believe answer the objections or difficult matters, but because of what you stated. I know, because I was there, and did the same thing (and still do).

It is the “substantive discussion” that is needed. I’ve actually been reading some of the older LDS threads on the apostasy, and I wish soren1 still posted. His posts were phenomenal. I saved some of them because they have been very helpful to me, and really helped in my latest decisions.

 

[Marie5890]

:clapping::clapping:

I completely agree with you and Marie.

And as someone that began here as a believing Latter-day Saint that participated in many of the LDS-related threads (and I certainly did not come here to proselytize, and frankly, I don’t think most of the LDS posters do come here to proselytize, in my opinion), your assessment is correct. It becomes a “why bother” when you see the discussion (more like “discussion”) is pointless and non-substantive. I completely understand where the LDS posters are coming from in not participating in certain threads or responding to posts made by certain individuals, not because they don’t have arguments and reasons that they believe answer the objections or difficult matters, but because of what you stated. I know, because I was there, and did the same thing (and still do).

It is the “substantive discussion” that is needed. I’ve actually been reading some of the older LDS threads on the apostasy, and I wish soren1 still posted. His posts were phenomenal. I saved some of them because they have been very helpful to me, and really helped in my latest decisions.

Mormons have plenty of valid reason to walk away from CAF.
Biggest reason is lack of charity in discussions.
Im surprised that those who stick around, do. I wouldnt.