Cupich to be Next Chicago Archbishop

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ABC radio news said Pope has appointed a moderate bishop to Chicago. Another secular radio report called him progressive.

At the same time Cardinal Burke is being removed from his post.

It seems the Pope wants to emphasize a pastoral approach that focuses on social issues like poverty and income inequality with less emphasis on doctrinal issues.

He seems to be carrying out the original vision of Vatican 2 which was deemphasized somewhat during JP2 and Benedicts papacies.
 
ABC radio news said Pope has appointed a moderate bishop to Chicago. Another secular radio report called him progressive.

At the same time Cardinal Burke is being removed from his post.

It seems the Pope wants to emphasize a pastoral approach that focuses on social issues like poverty and income inequality with less emphasis on doctrinal issues.

He seems to be carrying out the original vision of Vatican 2 which was deemphasized somewhat during JP2 and Benedicts papacies.
John Paul II and Benedict were both key players in the reforms of Vatican II. Are you saying that you are a greater expert in post-conciliar ecclesiology than John Paul II and Benedict?
 
ABC radio news said Pope has appointed a moderate bishop to Chicago. Another secular radio report called him progressive.

At the same time Cardinal Burke is being removed from his post.

It seems the Pope wants to emphasize a pastoral approach that focuses on social issues like poverty and income inequality with less emphasis on doctrinal issues.

He seems to be carrying out the original vision of Vatican 2 which was deemphasized somewhat during JP2 and Benedicts papacies.
I just don’t even…
 
"At the same time Cardinal Burke is being removed from his post.

It seems the Pope wants to emphasize a pastoral approach that focuses on social issues like poverty and income inequality with less emphasis on doctrinal issues."

Isn’t the job of the pope to uphold doctrine?
 
FWIW, they were emphasizing his ability to speak and understand Spanish this morning at this morning’s announcement, presumably to serve the ever-growing Spanish community in the city and suburbs.
 
Don’t get me wrong–I love Chicago. But I don’t live there. I live 65 miles west of Chicago, and that’s plenty close for me .
Actually the Archdiocese extends quite a bit outside the city limits itself. I live in the Joliet diocese but frequently find myself going into the Chicago diocese for Mass, even though they are well outside the city.

It seems like all Illinois is just as much aware of the goings on in the archdiocese as in their own diocese, if not more so.
 
FWIW, they were emphasizing his ability to speak and understand Spanish this morning at this morning’s announcement, presumably to serve the ever-growing Spanish community in the city and suburbs.
The media gets the Catholic Church so wrong so often it almost makes me want to vomit. .
 
The City of Chicago will shake this apostle to his core and challenge everything he believes.

I can’t even imagine being in his position and dealing with people like Mayor Rahm Emanuel and the Chicago political machine.

Even though the United States is “united,” Chicago is like a different planet from Spokane, Washington.

Don’t get me wrong–I love Chicago. But I don’t live there. I live 65 miles west of Chicago, and that’s plenty close for me .

The reason why Illinois is broke and struggling is because of Chicago.

Archbishop Cupich will need constant prayer.
Cat, with all due respect, you are wrong. Forum rules prohibit me from saying more.
 
ABC radio news said Pope has appointed a moderate bishop to Chicago. Another secular radio report called him progressive.

At the same time Cardinal Burke is being removed from his post.

It seems the Pope wants to emphasize a pastoral approach that focuses on social issues like poverty and income inequality with less emphasis on doctrinal issues.

He seems to be carrying out the original vision of Vatican 2 which was deemphasized somewhat during JP2 and Benedicts papacies.
He is not moderate. He is progressive. A slow progressive, but progressive nonetheless.
 
He forbade seminarians from praying outside abortion mills and instructed priests to avoid doing the same, in or out of clerics, or supporting 40 DFL in virtually any way (see, e.g., Mark Shea’s various posts on the topic – and if a prelate is too liberal for Mark Shea to like, that’s a pretty bad sign). So, IMO, this is not a promising appointment (though we should of course pray that I am wrong).
I’d think that if the only fault you could find is disagreeing with one approach a bishop has toward an issue that’s not a bad appointment.

Hopefully he serves the archdiocese well. God bless him. 🙂
 
Maybe Cupich recognizes how ineffective protesting outside abortion clinics typically is (here’s one protester’s acknowledgement of the same: thinkprogress.org/health/2014/07/08/3457509/protester-sidewalk-counseling-success/)

And of course, harassment *does *happen.

bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-29228869
cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a5669/abortion-clinic-protesters/

Nothing I’ve read about him leads me to believe he’s “anti-life” or that he rejects the Church’s position on abortion. Instead, he seems like someone who seeks approaches that actually reap positive results.
 
Bishop Blase Cupich of Spokane, Washington, will be named the next archbishop of Chicago, The Associated Press has learned.

Cupich will succeed Cardinal Francis George, according to a person with knowledge of the selection, who spoke Friday on the condition of anonymity because the person wasn’t authorized to speak publicly. George, 77, has been battling cancer and has said he believes the disease will end his life.

The Archdiocese of Chicago has scheduled a news conference for Saturday morning. A spokeswoman for the archdiocese would not comment.

bigstory.ap.org/article/bae2380fa5974d398b949c0c6943b5ab/apnewsbreak-cupich-be-next-chicago-archbishop
Good news for Chicago!! Cupich is a great fit for that area and is a solid supporter of our Church’s mission. He previous words and actions are perfectly aligned with our church’s push do drive down poverty by focusing on social justice and economic equality. A true Catholic and follower of Christ. A wonderful gain for Chicago! 👍
 
ABC radio news said Pope has appointed a moderate bishop to Chicago. Another secular radio report called him progressive.

At the same time Cardinal Burke is being removed from his post.

It seems the Pope wants to emphasize a pastoral approach that focuses on social issues like poverty and income inequality with less emphasis on doctrinal issues.
The Pope is doing what he thinks is best for the Church. He isn’t making an appointment and saying, “How can I de-emphasize one aspect of Church teaching?” Maintaining a pastoral approach in no way supposes that doctrine is being de-emphasized. That would be absurd. The core of our faith is Jesus, and all Christians (Catholics receiving Jesus in his fullness/completely) try to live around that center. The practical approach to a certain issue may vary, but the intent is the same.

Keep in mind some of what he has said re abortion is nearly identical to what Benedict XVI said.

*I remember, when I used go to Germany in the 1980s and '90s, that I was asked to give interviews and I always knew the questions in advance. They concerned the ordination of women, contraception, abortion and other such constantly recurring problems.

If we let ourselves be drawn into these discussions, the Church is then identified with certain commandments or prohibitions; we give the impression that we are moralists with a few somewhat antiquated convictions, and not even a hint of the true greatness of the faith appears. I therefore consider it essential always to highlight the greatness of our faith - a commitment from which we must not allow such situations to divert us.

In this perspective I would now like to continue by completing last Tuesday’s reflections and to stress once again: what matters above all is to tend one’s personal relationship with God, with that God who revealed himself to us in Christ.* vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/november/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20061109_concl-swiss-bishops_en.html
He seems to be carrying out the original vision of Vatican 2 which was deemphasized somewhat during JP2 and Benedicts papacies.
That’s just false.

Here’s the original vision of Vatican II according to the one who convened it, Pope John XXIII:

*The greatest concern of the Ecumenical Council is this: that the sacred deposit of Christian doctrine should be guarded and taught more
efficaciously. That doctrine embraces the whole of man, composed as he is of body and soul. And, since he is a pilgrim on this earth, it commands him to tend always toward heaven…

The salient point of this Council is not, therefore, a discussion of one article or another of the fundamental doctrine of the Church which has repeatedly been taught by the Fathers and by ancient and modern theologians, and which is presumed to be well known and familiar to all… But from the renewed, serene, and tranquil adherence to all the teaching of the Church in its entirety and preciseness, as it still shines forth in the Acts of the Council of Trent and First Vatican Council, the Christian, Catholic, and apostolic spirit of the whole world expects a step forward toward a doctrinal penetration and a formation of consciousness in faithful and perfect conformity to the authentic doctrine, which, however, should be studied and expounded through the methods of research and through the literary forms of modern thought.*

web.archive.org/web/20070808180613/http:/www.rc.net/rcchurch/vatican2/j23open.txt
 
Good news for Chicago!! Cupich is a great fit for that area and is a solid supporter of our Church’s mission. He previous words and actions are perfectly aligned with our church’s push do drive down poverty by focusing on social justice and economic equality. A true Catholic and follower of Christ. **A wonderful gain for Chicago! **👍
I agree.
 
Good news for Chicago!! Cupich is a great fit for that area and is a solid supporter of our Church’s mission. He previous words and actions are perfectly aligned with our church’s push do drive down poverty by focusing on social justice and economic equality. A true Catholic and follower of Christ. A wonderful gain for Chicago! 👍
The issue with this approach in my opinion is that it ultimately considers bad things not something caused by people doing evil stuff, which is the reality, but because of a structural issue that can be tinkered and engineered away, which it can not be and never will be.

People do bad things not because big bad society and its “evil structures” (non-human entities (except angels of course) by definition cannot be evil because they are not human) make them do them, but because we are fallen creatures that very often prefer to do evil, nasty things instead of good things. It’s our fault and has been since the garden.

I think all of the following are premises we have to keep in mind when we talk about poverty, social justice, “economic equality,” etc:
  1. We have to do something about it because God commands us. He commands us NOT to “solve poverty,” which is a wonderfully risible fantasy that is utterly impossible and would probably make for a good beach read in novel form, but to take care of our neighbors because they are human. This is an extremely important distinction.
  2. However, no matter how hard we try, no matter the small victories we may have, we will ultimately fail in this world. There will always be poor people, period, dot, end, no question, so let’s not delude ourselves.
  3. Structures are not evil and no matter how much you tinker with structures, people will continue to do bad things.
  4. Satan and his minions are real.
 
The issue with this approach in my opinion is that it ultimately considers bad things not something caused by people doing evil stuff, which is the reality, but because of a structural issue that can be tinkered and engineered away, which it can not be and never will be.

People do bad things not because big bad society and its “evil structures” (non-human entities (except angels of course) by definition cannot be evil because they are not human) make them do them, but because we are fallen creatures that very often prefer to do evil, nasty things instead of good things. It’s our fault and has been since the garden.

I think all of the following are premises we have to keep in mind when we talk about poverty, social justice, “economic equality,” etc:
  1. We have to do something about it because God commands us. He commands us NOT to “solve poverty,” which is a wonderfully risible fantasy that is utterly impossible and would probably make for a good beach read in novel form, but to take care of our neighbors because they are human. This is an extremely important distinction.
  2. However, no matter how hard we try, no matter the small victories we may have, we will ultimately fail in this world. There will always be poor people, period, dot, end, no question, so let’s not delude ourselves.
  3. Structures are not evil and no matter how much you tinker with structures, people will continue to do bad things.
  4. Satan and his minions are real.
Great post 👍
 
The issue with this approach in my opinion is that it ultimately considers bad things not something caused by people doing evil stuff, which is the reality, but because of a structural issue that can be tinkered and engineered away, which it can not be and never will be.

People do bad things not because big bad society and its “evil structures” (non-human entities (except angels of course) by definition cannot be evil because they are not human) make them do them, but because we are fallen creatures that very often prefer to do evil, nasty things instead of good things. It’s our fault and has been since the garden.

I think all of the following are premises we have to keep in mind when we talk about poverty, social justice, “economic equality,” etc:
  1. We have to do something about it because God commands us. He commands us NOT to “solve poverty,” which is a wonderfully risible fantasy that is utterly impossible and would probably make for a good beach read in novel form, but to take care of our neighbors because they are human. This is an extremely important distinction.
  2. However, no matter how hard we try, no matter the small victories we may have, we will ultimately fail in this world. There will always be poor people, period, dot, end, no question, so let’s not delude ourselves.
  3. Structures are not evil and no matter how much you tinker with structures, people will continue to do bad things.
  4. Satan and his minions are real.
I think people are surprisingly always aware of what you’re noting here. And they use this knowledge to justify their inaction. You claim, “The issue with this approach in my opinion is that it ultimately considers bad things not something caused by people doing evil stuff, which is the reality, but because of a structural issue that can be tinkered and engineered away, which it can not be and never will be.” Yet humans can and do create systems that perpetuate inequality all the time. And then Christ’s admonishment that there will be poor always gets trotted out as rationale for focusing on other problems and ignoring our own hand in poverty. That’s just weird Christianity. I’d welcome Church leaders who call us out on such weirdness.
 
I think some clarification about Bishop Cupich rule not to pray in front of abortion clinics would be useful. Just saying alone that “he does not want priests to pray in front of abortion clinics,” without giving a good reason almost looks like he is not pro-life. Is. It to keep the priests safe from danger of others?

I mean no disrespect here but I can’t imagine how people in prayer (even people of different religions) could be something negative. We can say that research shows its ineffective but how do we know. The person going into the abortion clinic may look back on that horrific event and change their ways because of remembering the people outside, not to mention they are praying for the poor child!
 
Finally, the diocese issued a clarifying statement on behalf of Cupich.
“The present political environment has become very toxic and polarizing,” especially about abortion, the statement said.
While Cupich wouldn’t forbid priests from praying outside the clinic, he asked priests to keep their role of “teacher” the priority. Decisions about abortion, the statement read, are not usually made in front of clinics — they’re made at “kitchen tables and in living rooms and they frequently involve a sister, daughter, relative or friend who may have been pressured or abandoned by the man who fathered the child.”
Priests are the public face of the church, Cupich says. He would never want a priest’s public actions to endanger their credibility and community impact.
inlander.com/spokane/calling-for-calm/Content?oid=2137805
 
I think people are surprisingly always aware of what you’re noting here. And they use this knowledge to justify their inaction. You claim, “The issue with this approach in my opinion is that it ultimately considers bad things not something caused by people doing evil stuff, which is the reality, but because of a structural issue that can be tinkered and engineered away, which it can not be and never will be.” Yet humans can and do create systems that perpetuate inequality all the time. And then Christ’s admonishment that there will be poor always gets trotted out as rationale for focusing on other problems and ignoring our own hand in poverty. That’s just weird Christianity. I’d welcome Church leaders who call us out on such weirdness.
Sure, but systems are not evil, period–they are incapable of being evil just like guns and airplanes are incapable of being evil–rather, people (can) commit evil acts through systems.

Changing the system is a bandaid at best, a perfunctory and temporary action done by lofty intellectual types at worst who do it to justify their paychecks by academic departments and government offices. I don’t think changing systems is necessarily a bad thing–we NEED bandages, after all!–but! it is so deliciously easy to pretend that oh, if we just have one more program, one more this, one more that, if only our government were like this instead of that, everything will be solved. False! Completely and utterly false. I think that’s a joke. I think such a view, if anyone has it, shows an astounding lack of faith, as if we will ever solve poverty. How proud can we be? Note here that I am criticizing a particular expression of a certain world view, I’m not naming names, because names don’t matter.

I am trying to privilege what I think is a delicately balanced viewpoint, which I think is very much in line with Catholic teachings:

we must help other people in corporal ways because they are humans in need and this obligation comes from God

yet we will never succeed in this world, we will never create a utopia, so let’s stop pretending that we will be able to, because this directly and actively creates (and has done so in the last century) all kinds of nasty atheistic side-plots in human history.

I think much of the negative aspects here come from a rationalization of suffering. But you cannot rationalize suffering except to say: it exists because we are sinful. We will always be sinful, so we will always suffer. We should accept suffering as a reality that we will never get rid of on earth. We create it despite, and sometimes as a direct result of, our best intentions.

Furthermore, in the Church’s ministries to the world I think we need to talk more actively and loudly about the aspects of purgation and positivity that can come out of suffering. Suffering is bad, yes, but God can make good things come from it. So, let’s try to limit suffering, yes, absolutely, but for the things we can’t eliminate–and there are so many, so let’s not pretend like we will be able to get rid of them–let’s try to help good things come from such suffering otherwise. This is a very old part of Catholic spirituality and I think it is only because of certain technological advances in certain parts of the world that certain (read: secular Western elites) have forgotten about it. In fact, now that I think of it, I think this may be one of the things Pope Francis is talking about when he says that the Church is not an NGO.

phew
 
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