Cupich to be Next Chicago Archbishop

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Those are good points YoungTradCatholic. Also, why does there always have to be the division between a Catholic being for immigration, poverty OR a Catholic being pro life and pro marriage. Why can’t we be for ALL those issues that the Church teaches. The devil loves division and making groups against each other. Of course some people have strengths in different areas but it is always the one side(immigration,poverty) or the other(pro life, pro marriage.) Justice is being disturbed in all those areas, some more than others. A lot of times I see people too into politics who try to take their political position and weave it into Church teaching. We are Catholics before we are politicians.
 
Those are good points YoungTradCatholic. Also, why does there always have to be the division between a Catholic being for immigration, poverty OR a Catholic being pro life and pro marriage. Why can’t we be for ALL those issues that the Church teaches. The devil loves division and making groups against each other. Of course some people have strengths in different areas but it is always the one side(immigration,poverty) or the other(pro life, pro marriage.) Justice is being disturbed in all those areas, some more than others. A lot of times I see people too into politics who try to take their political position and weave it into Church teaching. We are Catholics before we are politicians.
bold: There doesn’t. On a practical level, as to why it happens, I think it’s because–in the US at least–both political parties took on certain issues as their social issues to fix: Democrats poverty and immigration, Republicans marriage and life. This has only been relatively recently, actually. So, if you’re pro-whatever-my-political-party-isn’t-pro or if you’re anti-whatever-my-political-party-is-anti, then I must not like you and I must be unable to appreciate your views period.

Obviously it’s a lot more complicated than that.
 
From Rocco Palmo:
Lastly for now, the universal question that’s come up over these last hours has been how Cupich entered Francis’ radar to become the Pope’s defining pick for the US hierarchy’s top rank.
On this front, two things stick out. First, as a young locale at the DC Nunciature (1981-87), the now archbishop-elect was secretary to the future Cardinal Pio Laghi, who had been Nuncio to Argentina during the years of the “Dirty War” of the 1970s. As Jesuit provincial in that period, Jorge Bergoglio would’ve known Laghi – an immensely popular figure as John Paul II’s legate to the States – and the now-Pope’s respect for him has clearly remained intact.
Secondly, meanwhile, in early June Cupich was tapped to give the lead response at a Catholic University of America conference on the Catholic response to libertarianism, which was keynoted by Francis’ ever-present “Vice-Pope,” Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga SDB of Tegucigalpa.
While the slot brought a high profile by itself for the Spokane prelate, a friend in USCCB circles termed the reply that emerged as “the finest thing any American bishop has written about Francis.”
Full Video of press conference with Cardinal George introducing Archbishop Cupich:
whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2014/09/again-chicago-presser-introducing.html

Mockup of Archbishop Cupich’s (most-likely) Forthcoming Coat of Arms:

exarandorum.wordpress.com/2014/09/20/archbishop-cupich-of-chicago/
 
Decisions about abortion, the statement read, are not usually made in front of clinics — they’re made at “kitchen tables and in living rooms and they frequently involve a sister, daughter, relative or friend who may have been pressured or abandoned by the man who fathered the child.”
I’m sure many will not agree with this argument.

The whole idea behind protests is to hope it will influence one or more people. In this case, it is hoped that a last-minute change of heart will occur. Perhaps not enough options might have been presented at “kitchen tables” and “living rooms.” Just sayin…
 
Maybe Cupich recognizes how ineffective protesting outside abortion clinics typically is (here’s one protester’s acknowledgement of the same: thinkprogress.org/health/2014/07/08/3457509/protester-sidewalk-counseling-success/)
False. Prayer (I’m not going to say protesting, because that’s not what I do and it’s not what the rest of my parish does) outside abortion mills is extremely effective.

Look at how many pro-life laws have been passed in recent months. Look at how many abortion mills have chosen to shut down forever rather than comply with laws that simply require them to be inspected and hygienic. How can you possibly deny that prayer works and works extremely well?
 
Hey guys… I would be careful what you say because the slimy sedevacanists are following us. Look at this twitter thread. twitter.com/NovusOrdoWatch

As gracepoole mentioned there are real concerns about people harassing those outside of abortion clinics. As a woman I’m always uncomfortable when I pass such a protest and will cross to the other side of the road. Some protesters assume that every woman passing in the street is going to get an abortion. Yes, there are some protesters quietly praying outside but there are also some who verge on harassment. And this has nothing to do with religion. I’m assuming that these protesters are from all different faiths, but they decide to cross the line.

This really is about tactics. Cupich in his press conference mentioned that he thought people should speak out about all sorts of issues. He is obviously pro-life. This is all about tactics. Praying rosaries outside of clinics is one tactic, but there are also obvious concerns. Just because Cupich disagrees with the tactics doesn’t mean that he is against the cause.
 
Just because Cupich disagrees with the tactics doesn’t mean that he is against the cause.
That’s likely true, but that’s not how it is perceived by pro-lifers or anti-lifers. To the latter it looks like a victory.
 
That’s likely true, but that’s not how it is perceived by pro-lifers or anti-lifers. To the latter it looks like a victory.
Only because for too many of the former it’s “my way or you’re not really pro-life.”
 
With no disrespect to His Holiness and to His Excellency Archbishop Cupich, historically, large Archdioceses (like Chicago, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, LA, etc - which have historically received “red hats”) have typically received a new Archbishop from a smaller Archdiocese or a large diocese. That way they have had experience managing a large diocese.

For example:
  • Cardinal George (AD Washington) was the Archbishop of Portland in Oregon
  • Cardinal Wuerl (AD Washington) was Bishop of Pittsburgh (a large diocese)
  • Cardinal Dolan (AD New York) was Archbishop of Milwaukee
  • Cardinal DiNardo (AD Galveston-Houston) was Coadjutor Bishop/Archbishop for 2 years in Houston before taking over.
  • Archbishop Chaput (AD Philadelphia) was Archbishop of Denver
Cardinal O’Malley (AD Boston) was the only one who didn’t manage a large diocese before hand, but he was Bishop of 3 different dioceses before and one in the Province of Boston.

I wonder if this means that:
  • the United States will have less Cardinals in the future?
  • Archbishop Cupich has proven strong leadership skills while in Rapid City and Spokane?
  • that His Holiness really wants to force his Archbishops from behind their desks and out into the public, focused on pastoral duties?
  • or perhaps the Pope believes that the 6 Auxiliary Bishops of Chicago should be able to run things so the Archbishop can focus on pastoral duties? << this might be a great idea
I really don’t know what issues the Archdiocese of Chicago has and what kind of Archbishop it needs (administrative vs. pastoral)? But from some chats with a friend I have there, perhaps they need a pastoral Archbishop? Chicago is a pretty liberal city, if Archbishop Cupich can be like Cardinal O’Malley, then I think Chicago will be in good hands.
 
I wonder if this means that:
  • the United States will have less Cardinals in the future?
  • Archbishop Cupich has proven strong leadership skills while in Rapid City and Spokane?
  • that His Holiness really wants to force his Archbishops from behind their desks and out into the public, focused on pastoral duties?
  • or perhaps the Pope believes that the 6 Auxiliary Bishops of Chicago should be able to run things so the Archbishop can focus on pastoral duties? << this might be a great idea
I really don’t know what issues the Archdiocese of Chicago has and what kind of Archbishop it needs (administrative vs. pastoral)? But from some chats with a friend I have there, perhaps they need a pastoral Archbishop? Chicago is a pretty liberal city, if Archbishop Cupich can be like Cardinal O’Malley, then I think Chicago will be in good hands.
re bold: Not like that would solve anything. If a bishop did less admin work and more “pastoral work” (as if the two can be made to be opposites, if you don’t have money you don’t have charities) then as soon as some minor financial issue comes up, oh gosh golly, some people would start shriek shriek SHRIEK “YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE MONEY, you don’t spend enough time staring at financial reports, plus you probably hate Vatican II, the people of God can’t trust you, protect our children!”

and so on. Just for example.

In my opinion, raising money, sitting in meetings about seminarians, etc., is in fact pastoral work. Maybe the bishop doesn’t need to have a two hour meeting about what coffee the archdiocesan offices will buy for their break rooms, big deal–what bishop honestly does this?–but we can’t begin to pretend that all administrative work is silly useless mundane drivel and that somehow everything else is “real” pastoral work and that if the bishop doesn’t spend X hours per week doing X, he’s somehow “not pastoral” or whatever.

PS: isn’t the point of having auxiliary bishops so that they can do a large part of the pastoral work? I wouldn’t pretend to know, and I don’t think an auxiliary can take the place of the “main” bishop of a place, but imho a bishop is a bishop sacramentally, so if an auxiliary wants to come to my parish because the “main” bishop can’t, ok, fine with me, great.
 
Only because for too many of the former it’s “my way or you’re not really pro-life.”
I don’t think pro-lifers perceptions of themselves really has much impact on what others view as victories for their sides.
 
My father was a Catholic Deacon here in Spokane, and passed away in May from cancer. I didn’t realise when I left hospice that day to get a little sleep after walking him to the bathroom that he was going to die in less than 8 hours… I didn’t think people who were about to die could get out of bed, and walk to the bathroom. For some reason I left my phone off, and missed the 47 messages that he was deteriorating rapidly. I knew he passed when I woke up, and saw the number of messages, and missed calls. While I was sleeping, and my dad was in his final agony which lasted about 6 hours, (Prior to that he was refusing pain meds because he said, “now isn’t the time for pain pills, it’s the time to suffer” the last five hours he was writhing, and they were squirting morphine on his mouth, but he was no longer able to speak… To me his pain med refusal was an indication of how united to the Crucified Christ he was.) He never told the doctor he was in pain even though he had numerous bone, lung, and brain tumors. The doctor said she was amazed that he wasn’t in pain, but after I heard what he said about it being the time to suffer, I think what he was going through he kept between he, and God. Bishop Cupich came into his hospice room, and prayed with him for his last several hours, and at one point he turned to sister Mary Eucharista, and said, “He’s ready, he can go now, I have to leave, but I will continue to pray so please call me, and let me know when he passes.” My father died about 30 minutes after Bishop Cupich left. I am so greatful for that act of kindness towards my father on the Bishops part.

He died 7 weeks after his diagnosis, and was supposed to have six months to live. About 5 days before he died he had a doctors appointment, and the doctor said she wanted to speak to my father alone to evaluate his condition so my sister who was his primary care giver left the room. She asked him how many children he had. He said 3, (there’s 8), and asked if he could name them. He said, “Paco Kathy, and Katie, and that’s Katie standing right there.” When the doctor was finished she asked my sister who Katie was. She said, “She’s my daughter who passed away in 1987.” My sister also said the day before he went into hospice she observed him looking back, and forth over a horizon only he could see. He said to her, “This is the most amazing experience a human can have, and I can’t wait for you to have it… The Arc Angel is here now… can you see Him?” He let her in on all the really good stuff. The day after he died she said to me… “Kevin, Jesus, and heaven are real… I had no idea, will you please help me with my annulment. I have to Marry my husband sacramentally?” She has been saying a Rosary everyday since. His favorite prayer was the novena to Our Lady Undoer of Knots. After he told me about it, and I finished it. I told him that I had finished it. He said, What do you mean you finished it? This isn’t one you finish… You pray it everyday for the rest of your life." I really miss him, but thought after I read about Bishop Cupich becoming Arch Bishop, I would share his extrordinary act of kindness towards my dying father… Deacon Jack. I watched my father go from a very angry drunk when I was a child to becoming a saint during his 40 years as a deacon. His serious transformation happened after consecrating himself to our Blessed Mother about a year before he died.
 
My father was a Catholic Deacon here in Spokane, and passed away in May from cancer. I didn’t realise when I left hospice that day to get a little sleep after walking him to the bathroom that he was going to die in less than 8 hours… I didn’t think people who were about to die could get out of bed, and walk to the bathroom. For some reason I left my phone off, and missed the 47 messages that he was deteriorating rapidly. I knew he passed when I woke up, and saw the number of messages, and missed calls. While I was sleeping, and my dad was in his final agony which lasted about 6 hours, (Prior to that he was refusing pain meds because he said, “now isn’t the time for pain pills, it’s the time to suffer” the last five hours he was writhing, and they were squirting morphine on his mouth, but he was no longer able to speak… To me his pain med refusal was an indication of how united to the Crucified Christ he was.) He never told the doctor he was in pain even though he had numerous bone, lung, and brain tumors. The doctor said she was amazed that he wasn’t in pain, but after I heard what he said about it being the time to suffer, I think what he was going through he kept between he, and God. Bishop Cupich came into his hospice room, and prayed with him for his last several hours, and at one point he turned to sister Mary Eucharista, and said, “He’s ready, he can go now, I have to leave, but I will continue to pray so please call me, and let me know when he passes.” My father died about 30 minutes after Bishop Cupich left. I am so greatful for that act of kindness towards my father on the Bishops part.

He died 7 weeks after his diagnosis, and was supposed to have six months to live. About 5 days before he died he had a doctors appointment, and the doctor said she wanted to speak to my father alone to evaluate his condition so my sister who was his primary care giver left the room. She asked him how many children he had. He said 3, (there’s 8), and asked if he could name them. He said, “Paco Kathy, and Katie, and that’s Katie standing right there.” When the doctor was finished she asked my sister who Katie was. She said, “She’s my daughter who passed away in 1987.” My sister also said the day before he went into hospice she observed him looking back, and forth over a horizon only he could see. He said to her, “This is the most amazing experience a human can have, and I can’t wait for you to have it… The Arc Angel is here now… can you see Him?” He let her in on all the really good stuff. The day after he died she said to me… “Kevin, Jesus, and heaven are real… I had no idea, will you please help me with my annulment. I have to Marry my husband sacramentally?” She has been saying a Rosary everyday since. His favorite prayer was the novena to Our Lady Undoer of Knots. After he told me about it, and I finished it. I told him that I had finished it. He said, What do you mean you finished it? This isn’t one you finish… You pray it everyday for the rest of your life." I really miss him, but thought after I read about Bishop Cupich becoming Arch Bishop, I would share his extrordinary act of kindness towards my dying father… Deacon Jack. I watched my father go from a very angry drunk when I was a child to becoming a saint during his 40 years as a deacon. His serious transformation happened after consecrating himself to our Blessed Mother about a year before he died.
This brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for this post. May The Lord Bless your father and the Archbishop.
 
I really don’t know what issues the Archdiocese of Chicago has and what kind of Archbishop it needs (administrative vs. pastoral)? But from some chats with a friend I have there, perhaps they need a pastoral Archbishop? Chicago is a pretty liberal city, if Archbishop Cupich can be like Cardinal O’Malley, then I think Chicago will be in good hands.
Chicago also has a pretty good distribution of the TLM, if that means anything.

But the way things are going, more time will be spent figuring out which churches to close and merge. IMO, of course. Bishop Cupich has, as I understand it, done a good job of rebuilding Spokane after its bankruptcy.
 
ABC radio news said Pope has appointed a moderate bishop to Chicago. Another secular radio report called him progressive.

At the same time Cardinal Burke is being removed from his post.

It seems the Pope wants to emphasize a pastoral approach that focuses on social issues like poverty and income inequality with less emphasis on doctrinal issues.

He seems to be carrying out the original vision of Vatican 2 which was deemphasized somewhat during JP2 and Benedicts papacies.
I think this is a very fair assessment. Hopefully his approach can bring people into the fold (the Catholic church). There seems to be two approaches: one that emphasizes listening, “dialogue” and respect for even anti-Catholic positions (gay marriage, abortion rights e.g.) and one that emphasizes stating Catholic doctrine, the truth and not compromising. I’m not saying that the former doesn’t emphasize the truth, but the language used is that of compromise or respect for those opposed to Catholic moral teaching. That said, I’m open to different views on the above take because I don’t feel like I have communicated it very well. I do recall an anecdote that I heard recently: it seems an archbishop asked a local priest what he thought could be done to bring about more priests and correct the current priest shortage. The priest answered, “the solution to the priest shortage is for you to become a saint.” Or some such.

Ishii
 
Finally, the diocese issued a clarifying statement on behalf of Cupich.

“The present political environment has become very toxic and polarizing,” especially about abortion, the statement said.

While Cupich wouldn’t forbid priests from praying outside the clinic, he asked priests to keep their role of “teacher” the priority. Decisions about abortion, the statement read, are not usually made in front of clinics — they’re made at “kitchen tables and in living rooms and they frequently involve a sister, daughter, relative or friend who may have been pressured or abandoned by the man who fathered the child.”

Priests are the public face of the church, Cupich says. He would never want a priest’s public actions to endanger their credibility and community impact.
I guess we will learn more about the new archbishop’s stand on this. Will he also make a similar attempt to reign in those in the clergy that actively support more liberal political causes such as with regard to immigration, poverty issues (read: more government programs), and environmentalism? I think that will tell us a great deal about where the new archbishop stands.

Ishii
 
Maybe Cupich recognizes how ineffective protesting outside abortion clinics typically is (here’s one protester’s acknowledgement of the same: thinkprogress.org/health/2014/07/08/3457509/protester-sidewalk-counseling-success/)

And of course, harassment *does *happen.

bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-29228869
cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a5669/abortion-clinic-protesters/

Nothing I’ve read about him leads me to believe he’s “anti-life” or that he rejects the Church’s position on abortion. Instead, he seems like someone who seeks approaches that actually reap positive results.
It isn’t ineffective. The protesters pray outside the abortion clinics and God responds to their prayers. The clinics eventually close. And the protesters are sometimes able to dissuade women from having an abortion. The presence of the protesters stirs the consciences of those who are considering abortion and those who do think it is evil.
 
It isn’t ineffective.
Your opinion differs from the bishop’s opinion, at least as far as his priests and seminarians are concerned. The difference is, he’s the bishop.

And I think the point of all of this is that there are different tactics. Sadly, none of them has proven to be totally effective or the issue would have gone away. So we need to keep chipping away at it from many different perspectives: political, prayer, protesting, speaking with people one-on-one, providing support and assistance, changing the culture in whatever small ways we can, etc.

And mostly – I think – stop criticizing those who pursue a different tactic as not being sufficiently pro-life.
 
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