Cupich to be Next Chicago Archbishop

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ishii said:
I think this is a very fair assessment. Hopefully his approach can bring people into the fold (the Catholic church). There seems to be two approaches: one that emphasizes listening, “dialogue” and respect for even anti-Catholic positions (gay marriage, abortion rights e.g.) and one that emphasizes stating Catholic doctrine, the truth and not compromising. I’m not saying that the former doesn’t emphasize the truth, but the language used is that of compromise or respect for those opposed to Catholic moral teaching. That said, I’m open to different views on the above take because I don’t feel like I have communicated it very well. I do recall an anecdote that I heard recently: it seems an archbishop asked a local priest what he thought could be done to bring about more priests and correct the current priest shortage. The priest answered, “the solution to the priest shortage is for you to become a saint.” Or some such.

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Catholic doctrine,which is the truth,should always be emphasized and never compromised. There are times for listening and dialogue and respect for other people’s opinions and feelings,but speaking and acting upon the truth is more important. We are not obliged to respect error,as if it was of value. Error has no rights. It is only the concern for human respect and credibility and avoiding embarrassment that holds Catholics back from speaking the truth and correcting and rebuking those who think and act wrongly. But those concerns do not come from authentic morality,they come from worldly fear and human weakness.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
Your opinion differs from the bishop’s opinion, at least as far as his priests and seminarians are concerned. The difference is, he’s the bishop.
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If that is what he thinks,he is wrong. The efforts and prayers of Catholics who protest outside of abortion clinics have been effective at getting abortion clinics closed,preventing them from opening,dissuading women from having abortions,and leading many people to join the cause.

When people see Catholic bishops and priests and laypersons speaking out and protesting against evil and being ridiculed and slandered for doing so,some of them become incensed and become supportive of them. That is why many devout protestants and conservatives who are not very religious respect and support the efforts of strong Catholics in firmly rejecting and working against the evil practices that secular society tolerates.
And I think the point of all of this is that there are different tactics. Sadly, none of them has proven to be totally effective or the issue would have gone away. So we need to keep chipping away at it from many different perspectives: political, prayer, protesting, speaking with people one-on-one, providing support and assistance, changing the culture in whatever small ways we can, etc.
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The efforts of Catholics who protest legal abortion could never be totally effective unless many more people join them in prayer and many more Catholics evangelize society.
And mostly – I think – stop criticizing those who pursue a different tactic as not being sufficiently pro-life.
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Sometimes those who prefer the way of listening and dialogue are indeed not firm in opposing evil. The end of listening and dialogue should be correction,just the end of ecumenism should be reconciliation with the Catholic Church.

Those who compromise on doctrine or who needlessly compromise on policy really aren’t sufficiently strong in opposing abortion and should be criticized.
 
We really need a prominant person SOMEWHERE to tell the U.S.A. that libertarianism rots from its very soul, as does laisse-faire capitalism. Those evils really hurt the poor, and while the poor will always be with us, we can surely treat them a heck of a lot better than we have.

The sick, immigrants too.

Let the Archbishop do that. He will have to confer with his assistant bishops, because someone needs to go out and keep a sharp eye on the diocese and its priests. The local churches need attention and care. They are the core of Christianity.

Meanwhile, I wish Pope Francis would resign. I’m afraid he’s tryiing to drag us back in time to the lotus-eating policies of the sixties and seventies. We gotta move FORWARD, NOT BACK!

God bless and help Chicago’s new Archbishop. 😃
 
anthony022071 said:
If that is what he thinks,he is wrong.
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Oh, well, that’s good to know. We don’t need individual bishops or the magisterium or anyone else. We have Anthony and he has spoken. Anyone who disagrees is simply wrong, end of discussion.
 
The media constantly applauds “moderates” and denounces what they call “hardliners, ideologues, dogmatic” types. Back in the 1950s the racist newspapers constantly compared the “confrontational, divisive” Martin Luther King, with the other Black leaders, who urged restraint, discussion, friendly relationships with everybody, avoid stirring up all kinds of emotions and hatred - in other words, the media liked the Black minister peacemaker “moderates” not extremists like King.

There are some situations so foul that anybody who does their job will be labelled an extremist, divisive, etc. Chicago is there now. There are some dioceses where the secular media/political power structure is so anti-Catholic that any bishop who is consistently applauded and accepted by the media as a “unifier” or “peacemaker” is probably not doing his job.

Cardinal George consistently reached out to non-Catholics, to former Catholics, to the poor and marginalized during his time in Chicago. He spoke the truth, but in love. He paid the price. Let’s pray the new archbishop does not get applauded as a moderate, but does as good a job as Cardinal George.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
One thing I hadn’t thought of until I read this article is that he’s only been in Spokane for four years. That has to be hard for the people there. The diocese declared bankruptcy, got a new bishop, and now will have a vacancy while they wait for still a new leader. Prayers for them in this time of upheaval.
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I’d be interested in that lawsuit which is bound for trial in February in Spokane. I know that in Chicago legal fees can be greater than the eventual settlement. In two recent cases I know of the Archdiocese just caved in to the demands of the plaintiffs to avoid those fees. The new archbishop will certainly have his hands full on day 1.
 
Some here (God forbid that the bishop be among them) simply don’t understand the purpose of prayer and picket at abortion clinics. The primary purpose is NOT the expectation that you’ll stop individual women from going in. Sometimes that happens, but mostly not. There are several major reasons for praying outside an abortion clinic (and for priests to do it too).
  1. It makes the abortion real to the person praying. Women are coming and going the whole time. (In my area, abortions tend to be done at a clinic once or twice per week and that’s nearly ALL that happens there that day. The abortionist usually ‘serves’ several clinics that way.) We ALL tend to think of abortion abstractly the same way Germans probably thought of the “Jewish problem” abstractly. It’s NOT abstract and you confront that in a terribly real way while praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet amidst the comings and goings.
  2. Especially when the people praying are mostly women (usually the case), prayer at the clinic exposes the lie that only misogynist men oppose abortion. Minds are changed.
  3. When the same priest that host and works the soup kitchen line, hosts the parish food pantry and frequents the area homeless shelter shows up in clerics to pray at the abortion clinic, the people of the area SEE him. He is recognizable for who he is. It means something that the people who feed, shelter and care for the poor tend to be the people opposed to abortion, especially when the abortionist tends to show up in a big Mercedes. Tells you who is really caring for the weak and who is exploiting them.
I don’t know anything about this bishop yet, but I HAVE lived before under a bishop whose major goal in life appeared to be being nice. Not necessarily GOOD, mind you, but nice. No matter if anybody actually believes in Christ, repents of sin or builds any other virtue as long as people get along and there is no controversy. Hopefully it’s just my own anxieties speaking here, but the descriptions so far get my hackles up. To my mind, you can’t be uncontroversial in this culture anymore unless you compromise the gospel.
 
manualman said:
  1. When the same priest that host and works the soup kitchen line, hosts the parish food pantry and frequents the area homeless shelter shows up in clerics to pray at the abortion clinic, the people of the area SEE him. He is recognizable for who he is. It means something that the people who feed, shelter and care for the poor tend to be the people opposed to abortion, especially when the abortionist tends to show up in a big Mercedes. Tells you who is really caring for the weak and who is exploiting them…
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I am very grateful that we have an Archbishop here in Detroit that feels the same way that you mentioned, that it is important for the clergy, and even the bishop himself, to be seen praying in front of these places.

te-deum.blogspot.ca/2010/09/abp-vigneron-leads-more-than-500-in.html

theoaklandpress.com/general-news/20101025/archbishop-of-detroit-to-hold-rosary-in-front-of-abortion-facility-in-independence-township

our-lady-for-life.forumotion.com/t1235-detroit-archbishop-allen-vigneron-leads-prayer-walk-outside-abortion-facilities
 
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The media constantly applauds “moderates” and denounces what they call “hardliners, ideologues, dogmatic” types. Back in the 1950s the racist newspapers constantly compared the “confrontational, divisive” Martin Luther King, with the other Black leaders, who urged restraint, discussion, friendly relationships with everybody, avoid stirring up all kinds of emotions and hatred - in other words, the media liked the Black minister peacemaker “moderates” not extremists like King.

There are some situations so foul that anybody who does their job will be labelled an extremist, divisive, etc. Chicago is there now. There are some dioceses where the secular media/political power structure is so anti-Catholic that any bishop who is consistently applauded and accepted by the media as a “unifier” or “peacemaker” is probably not doing his job.

Cardinal George consistently reached out to non-Catholics, to former Catholics, to the poor and marginalized during his time in Chicago. He spoke the truth, but in love. He paid the price. Let’s pray the new archbishop does not get applauded as a moderate, but does as good a job as Cardinal George.
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What you say about Cardinal George is so true. He spoke the truth in love and he is going to be missed very much.

As far as the media…Some of media want to get people worked up as much as possible. They dont care about the Church or her Teachings. They try to agitating and divide people. This ploy to agitate and divide works well because it gets people confused, argumentative, fearfull, pulls them to their easy side, and makes them the big $$$. Even some of our liberal polititions follow after a socialist named “Saul Alinsky” who’s main purpose was to “rub the people raw.”
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
One thing I hadn’t thought of until I read this article is that he’s only been in Spokane for four years. That has to be hard for the people there. The diocese declared bankruptcy, got a new bishop, and now will have a vacancy while they wait for still a new leader. Prayers for them in this time of upheaval.
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No, not for all of us. But I do appreciate your prayers, and please pray that we get a good bishop.
 
No, I am not too excited. On the good side, I do feel like I am pretty much done with trying to read the Pope Francis tea leaves though - the pattern is forming and the clarity breaking through. 😉
 
CatholicLife said:
Those in the Trad community aren’t to excited. The Bishop forbid a Latin Mass community from holding services inside their church in 2002.
rapidcityjournal.com/bishop-bans-latin-services/article_b37a5c37-b5a4-5af6-8014-48d9f5ef9da7.html
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In all fairness to His Excellency, this article was before Pope Benedict issued his Summorum Pontificum. Also according to article 2, priests the may offer a private mass either form without permission with the exception of the Easter Triduum. ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/b16summorumpontificum.htm

Bishops often do not like it when Catholics (on either side of this topic) view one Mass as superior to another. Whether that be EF is superior to the OF, or the OF is superior to the EF. The Bishops don’t like that. It’s ok to have a preference, but to refuse to attend Mass because it’s not in your preferred form or to deny the validity of either mass is Heresy. Just like it would be Heresy to say the Roman Rite is better or worse than another Rite of the Catholic Church.
 
phil19034 said:
In all fairness to His Excellency, this article was before Pope Benedict issued his Summorum Pontificum. Also according to article 2, priests the may offer a private mass either form without permission with the exception of the Easter Triduum. ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/b16summorumpontificum.htm.
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FYI, Pope Benedict clarified that in Universae Ecclesiae
The Sacred Triduum
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  1. If there is a qualified priest, a coetus fidelium (“group of faithful”), which follows the older liturgical tradition, can also celebrate the Sacred Triduum in the forma extraordinaria. When there is no church or oratory designated exclusively for such celebrations, the parish priest or Ordinary, in agreement with the qualified priest, should find some arrangement favourable to the good of souls, not excluding the possibility of a repetition of the celebration of the Sacred Triduum in the same church.
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But you are most certainly correct, +Cupich issued his instructions well before S.P. was issued.
 
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The media constantly applauds “moderates” and denounces what they call “hardliners, ideologues, dogmatic” types. Back in the 1950s the racist newspapers constantly compared the “confrontational, divisive” Martin Luther King, with the other Black leaders, who urged restraint, discussion, friendly relationships with everybody, avoid stirring up all kinds of emotions and hatred - in other words, the media liked the Black minister peacemaker “moderates” not extremists like King.

There are some situations so foul that anybody who does their job will be labelled an extremist, divisive, etc. Chicago is there now. There are some dioceses where the secular media/political power structure is so anti-Catholic that any bishop who is consistently applauded and accepted by the media as a “unifier” or “peacemaker” is probably not doing his job.

Cardinal George consistently reached out to non-Catholics, to former Catholics, to the poor and marginalized during his time in Chicago. He spoke the truth, but in love. He paid the price. Let’s pray the new archbishop does not get applauded as a moderate, but does as good a job as Cardinal George.
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Bravo. Excellent post. Most saints would be eliminated from the moderate peacemaker model. So would most 1st century Christians. So would most of the disciples. Come to think of it, maybe that is what happened to Cardinal Burke… 🙂
 
He went to the same grade school as I did albeit he’s a few years older than I.
 
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