Curious about contemplative prayer

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Hello all!!

So I was doing a bit of reading the other day on a particular style of prayer that is a banned topic here, which then said that it is better to do contemplative prayer. This is something new, something I haven’t heard of. Is it simply meditating on a certain portion or scene of scripture? Or is it more? I read an article about St. Theresa of Avila and that she supposedly did this type of prayer, but it didn’t really give any detail about what exactly contemplative prayer is, other than it is a great gift to receive from God.

Derek
 
Hello all!!

So I was doing a bit of reading the other day on a particular style of prayer that is a banned topic here, which then said that it is better to do contemplative prayer. This is something new, something I haven’t heard of. Is it simply meditating on a certain portion or scene of scripture? Or is it more? I read an article about St. Theresa of Avila and that she supposedly did this type of prayer, but it didn’t really give any detail about what exactly contemplative prayer is, other than it is a great gift to receive from God.

Derek
Contemplative prayer is nothing more than being in the presence of God and open to his grace. Contemplation, is what God does within us, where he transforms us and we begin to love as he loves.

St Teresa placed contemplative prayer as the highest form of prayer, because it’s where the soul is in the presence of God, deep within it’s being. It is there that God feeds us best, according to St. Teresa.

Contemplative prayer is quiet mental prayer, rather than vocal discursive prayers memorized by rote. Although one can reach contemplation in vocal prayer, for as I said, it’s God who brings us into contemplation, as St Teresa said, it’s rare.

Either way, you must go where God leads. If God is calling you to contemplative prayer, you’ll know by how you grow closer to Him. If you’re not ready for it, it will become an obsticle and you should return to the form of prayer you’re accustom to,

Centered In Christ Jesus
Jim
 
Hello all!!

So I was doing a bit of reading the other day on a particular style of prayer that is a banned topic here, which then said that it is better to do contemplative prayer. This is something new, something I haven’t heard of. Is it simply meditating on a certain portion or scene of scripture? Or is it more? I read an article about St. Theresa of Avila and that she supposedly did this type of prayer, but it didn’t really give any detail about what exactly contemplative prayer is, other than it is a great gift to receive from God.

Derek
Disclaimer: I am awful at Contemplation.

In the Benedictine tradition of Lectio Divina (holy reading) there are 4 steps:
  1. Lectio: Reading slowly (usually) Scripture
  2. Meditatio: Reflecting on the reading prayerfully (imagine yourself there)
  3. Oratio: the words go to your very being and you offer prayer (of thanks)
  4. Contemplatio: being in God’s pressence…simply being with Him
1-3: Not a problem for me

I get absolutely nothing at #4 ⭕(
 
I get absolutely nothing at #4 ⭕(
That’s OK. Sometimes in my lectio prayer group, I think of something that I remember afterwards during #4, sometimes not. You aren’t really supposed to be thinking of anything, so isn’t an indicator of quality.

But the real test of contemplative prayer does not happen during the prayer. So unless you’re pretty advanced you really aren’t going to be able to notice anything during the silence. Over a period of time, your outlook on life should start to improve. The real test of contemplative prayer is how much your relationship with others improves, especially those closest to you.

You’ll definitely want to check out the article on the three expressions of prayer: vocal, meditative, and contemplative. CCC 2700-2724
 
That’s OK. Sometimes in my lectio prayer group, I think of something that I remember afterwards during #4, sometimes not. You aren’t really supposed to be thinking of anything, so isn’t an indicator of quality.

But the real test of contemplative prayer does not happen during the prayer. So unless you’re pretty advanced you really aren’t going to be able to notice anything during the silence. Over a period of time, your outlook on life should start to improve. The real test of contemplative prayer is how much your relationship with others improves, especially those closest to you.

You’ll definitely want to check out the article on the three expressions of prayer: vocal, meditative, and contemplative. CCC 2700-2724
This is incredibly helpful! Thank you so much:thumbsup::cool:

(I printed out your post, BTW)
 
Disclaimer: I am awful at Contemplation.

In the Benedictine tradition of Lectio Divina (holy reading) there are 4 steps:
  1. Lectio: Reading slowly (usually) Scripture
  2. Meditatio: Reflecting on the reading prayerfully (imagine yourself there)
  3. Oratio: the words go to your very being and you offer prayer (of thanks)
  4. Contemplatio: being in God’s pressence…simply being with Him
1-3: Not a problem for me

I get absolutely nothing at #4 ⭕(
Is there a book or website to read that talks about #4?
 
Is there a book or website to read that talks about #4?
2 books (I’ve read the 1st–it’s “OK”)

Too Deep for Words Thelma Hall

Sacred Reading Michael Casey (just started, so I don’t know yet)
 
An interesting book on the topic of Lectio Divina is Reading to Live: The Evolving Practice of Lectio Divina, by Raymond Studzinski OSB. Part of the book is really a history of reading. I was relieved to learn that I had been trained in the scholastic approach to reading, which is why I find Lectio so unnatural.

Another one I enjoyed is Holy Reading: An Introduction to Lectio Divina, by Innocenzo Gargano OSB

At the St. Andrew’s Abbey website valyermo.com , Fr. Luke Dysinger has a great, concise introduction to Lectio online.

Hope this helps!
 
Thanks to both of you! I’ll be reading those this weekend!

Derek
 
Disclaimer: I am awful at Contemplation.

In the Benedictine tradition of Lectio Divina (holy reading) there are 4 steps:
  1. Lectio
  2. Meditatio:
  3. Oratio:
  4. Contemplatio:
Not just the Benedictine tradition 🙂

(and those steps of the “ladder” were set down for us by a Carthusian :))
 
Catechism:

scborromeo.org/ccc/p4s1c3a1.htm

As to Contemplation it is to be noted that there is acquired contemplation…and infused.

I should note that various authors and various schools use terms differently.…such needs to be kept in mind when one goes back and forth between them.

Basically acquired contemplation can be on the philosophical level (read Josef Pieper on “natural contempation”) or theological …or in the sense of a kind of contemplation in prayer where things become more of a intuitive gaze etc (such as prayer of simplicity).

The other is that which is given directly by God (infused contemplation such as prayer of quiet).

For a very short and practical work on mental prayer: scepterpublishers.org/product/index.php?FULL=557

frjacquesphilippe.com/
 
Catechism:

scborromeo.org/ccc/p4s1c3a1.htm

As to Contemplation it is to be noted that there is acquired contemplation…and infused.

I should note that various authors and various schools use terms differently.…such needs to be kept in mind when one goes back and forth between them.

Basically acquired contemplation can be on the philosophical level (read Josef Pieper on “natural contempation”) or theological …or in the sense of a kind of contemplation in prayer where things become more of a intuitive gaze etc (such as prayer of simplicity).

The other is that which is given directly by God (infused contemplation such as prayer of quiet).

For a very short and practical work on mental prayer: scepterpublishers.org/product/index.php?FULL=557
I believe that the infused prayer may be the one that I am remembering from the article. Can you expand on that a little more?
 
Is there a book or website to read that talks about #4?
When I started doing contemplation I read the Cloud of Unknowing which you can find online at the Christian Classics Ethereal Library for free.

I believe it’s an Evelyn Underhill edition, if so, be sure to read the forward. If it doesn’t blow your mind, maybe it’s the wrong book.
 
The Rosary is a form of contemplative prayer, so it is much more commonly seen in that form.
I never heard the Rosary described that way, as you have to be involved with the action of saying it and the pace and so forth. For many it is meditative. But contemplation requires, well, letting go of everything while yearning for God, but leaving all action to Him.

It’s hard to describe but you can’t do it praying a Rosary, that I know of.
 
I believe that the infused prayer may be the one that I am remembering from the article. Can you expand on that a little more?
Such is the kind of Contemplative prayer given by God. One does not simply decide to enter into infused contemplation.
 
Can you expand on that a little more?
Spiritual Theology has a very long section in the card catalog.

(that is that strange box in libraries where books where listed Prior to the the Computer and internet…).

A will note a few rather extensive works.

But again one MUST remember that there are varied schools of thought and of spirituality and writers (complete with different uses of the same words over the centuries 🙂 (in particular that word Contemplation)). And at times various disagreements between them! (there was in fact such a debate during the first part of the 20th Century regarding acquired and infused contemplation).

One could mention for example-- The Ways Of Mental Prayer by Dom Vitalis Lehodey OCR or the works of Garrigou-Langrange (Three Ages of the Interior Life and also Christian Perfection and Contemplation). Or that of Fr. Jordan Aumann (Spiritual Theology).

Here is one approach (drawing largely here from St. Theresa and the Carmelites): domcentral.org/study/aumann/st/st12.htm (note he discusses acquired contemplation in the section before that marked “Contemplation” for St. Theresa used the term contemplation for infused contemplation). And : domcentral.org/study/aumann/teresasgr.htm

(here is his whole work there online domcentral.org/study/aumann/st/default.htm#contents)

Another work online: ewtn.com/library/THEOLOGY/LITCOM.htm#3 (from two who are very important to my wife and I --Jacques and Raissa Maritain. By the way in a later work he changes a few things they mentions there about masked contemplation).

Important to read too for this topic: ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFMED.HTM

And as I noted a short but very practical good work: scepterpublishers.org/product/index.php?FULL=557
 
If you are really interested in the level of prayer that saints such as St Teresa and St John of the Cross reached you can’t go past Thomas Dubay’s ‘Fire Within’ (Ignatius Press). Dubay bases his work almost entirely on the writings of those two saints and the Gospel in a way that is not difficult to understand. The various levels are reachable for us ordinary mortals, though I think not many have reached the ultimate fusion and such signs of favour such as levitation.

It has to do with the progression of types of prayer. It’s not the mastery of technique but has more to do with your relationship with God and eliminating sin and eliminating the obstruction of material things in your life which can bring you to those higher forms of communication with our Lord.
 
Pope Benedict XVI on Lectio Divina:

"We are grateful to God that in recent times, and thanks to the impact made by the Dogmatic Constitution “Dei Verbum” the fundamental importance of the Word of God has been deeply re-evaluated. From this has derived a renewal of the Church’s life, especially in her preaching, catechesis, theology and spirituality, and even in the ecumenical process. The Church must be constantly renewed and rejuvenated and the Word of God, which never ages and is never depleted, is a privileged means to achieve this goal. Indeed, it is the Word of God, through the Holy Spirit, which always guides us to the whole truth (cf. John 16:13).

In this context, I would like in particular to recall and recommend the ancient tradition of “Lectio divina”: “the diligent reading of Sacred Scripture accompanied by prayer brings about that intimate dialogue in which the person reading hears God who is speaking, and in praying, responds to him with trusting openness of heart” (cf. “Dei Verbum,” n. 25). If it is effectively promoted, this practice will bring to the Church – I am convinced of it – a new spiritual springtime.

As a strong point of biblical ministry, “Lectio divina” should therefore be increasingly encouraged, also through the use of new methods, carefully thought through and in step with the times. It should never be forgotten that the Word of God is a lamp for our feet and a light for our path (cf. Psalm 119[118]:105)" (Sept 16, 2005)

From another Message

"…I urge you to become familiar with the Bible, and to have it at hand so that it can be your compass pointing out the road to follow. By reading it, you will learn to know Christ. Note what Saint Jerome said in this regard: “Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ” (PL 24,17; cf Dei Verbum, 25). A time-honoured way to study and savour the word of God is lectio divina which constitutes a real and veritable spiritual journey marked out in stages. After the lectio, which consists of reading and rereading a passage from Sacred Scripture and taking in the main elements, we proceed to meditatio. This is a moment of interior reflection in which the soul turns to God and tries to understand what his word is saying to us today. Then comes oratio in which we linger to talk with God directly. Finally we come to contemplatio. This helps us to keep our hearts attentive to the presence of Christ whose word is “a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts” (2 Pet 1:19). Reading, study and meditation of the Word should then flow into a life of consistent fidelity to Christ and his teachings.

Saint James tells us: “Be doers of the word, and not merely hearers who deceive themselves. For if any are hearers of the word and not doers, they are like those who look at themselves in a mirror; for they look at themselves and, on going away, immediately forget what they were like. But those who look into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and persevere, being not hearers who forget but doers who act - they will be blessed in their doing” (1:22-25). Those who listen to the word of God and refer to it always, are constructing their existence on solid foundations. “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and acts on them”, Jesus said, “will be like a wise man who built his house on rock” (Mt 7:24). It will not collapse when bad weather comes.

To build your life on Christ, to accept the word with joy and put its teachings into practice… (April 9, 2006)
 
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