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Della
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In an word, yes. If you can’t stand being enclosed with other people and like privacy then go on a private, silent retreat not Cursillo. That’s simple enough.
Out of charity I’ll ignore this.
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gh4
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Hello? I am not really easily stressed. I worked ER and ICU for years on 2nd and 3rd shift. The last job I nursed at for pay was at an Alzheimer’s facility. If working there for more than 8 years didn’t send me screaming, then the 7 years I took care of both of my parents (who BOTH had Alzheimer’s) alone should have sent me screaming. But it didn’t. (Oh, the stories I can tell!!)
I am a very strong person who has been through a whole lot in my life. After my husband died I raised 2 boys all by myself.
8 years ago I moved 2300 miles with 6 retired racing Greyhounds and a standard Poodle, and that was fun, didn’t send me screaming!
I own my own business now and yes, there is plenty of stress in that, but I’m still in business.
All this and I’m quite sane! And really, the little stuff doesn’t stress me out at all.
Actually I think that Cursillo isn’t for women who are very self reliant and very strong. (said with a smile!) Of course I’m stong, if I hadn’t been, I would have failed totally at life, I had to be in control of my life or else it would have fallen to pieces. My parents are dead, I was an only child, my husband is dead and my kids live 2000+ miles away. I have myself and I have my Lord, and that’s pretty much it.
BUT that doesn’t make me mentally ill, or insane or crazy or anything else, it just means that I’m strong and that I know how to take care of myself.
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Della
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Again, if this kind of encounter is not your cup of tea, don’t attend. No one has a gun to anyone’s back making them go. And of course anyone can leave if they want to, it’s not a prison. Really, this is my last word on the topic since I see reason will not prevail.But it isn’t just people that are easily stressed.
And be honest here. Please. NO ONE will talk about what happens on the weekend. That is my point. It is all oh so secret. Remember my comment, “I know something you don’t know.”
So if no one will talk about what happens on a weekend, how are people suppose to know if they are putting themselves into situations in which they will be enclosed with other people? And I thought everyone was free to leave, walk around, get away? Why would they be “enclosed with other people?”
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gh4
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Yup, you are right EXCEPT THAT WE DON’T KNOW ANY OF THIS BECAUSE THEY WON’T TELL US A DAMN THING ABOUT THE FREAKING WEEKEND!!!In an word, yes. If you can’t stand being enclosed with other people and like privacy then go on a private, silent retreat not Cursillo. That’s simple enough.
(yes, I WAS yelling!)
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EvangelCatholic
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Thankfully this thread is 5 pages long so that most readers can see that Cursillos are meant to energize Christians into fuller service to our Lord in the parish. I have been involved with Cursillos for many years and have never heard a complaint.
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gh4
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And I do believe that some of them do this. But there are those who don’t. So I suggest anyone who is considering going on a cursillo weekend do their due diligence and find out everything they can so that they KNOW that it’s something they’ll like.
At the very least, demand to drive yourself. If they absolutely won’t let you drive, make sure you have enough cash with you to pay for a cab if you want to leave. It will probably be a VERY long wait if you have to wait until THEY notify someone to come pick you up to take you home. It was more than 2 hours of my sitting in the cold without a jacket. I wasn’t allowed to even visit the bathroom by myself to pee at that point, I felt very much like a prisoner at that point… so I had the person who picked me up hightail it to a gas station so I could pee. I was VERY happy to get home.
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andrewstx
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I have never been to a cursillo but when I was much younger I went to a Search. Cursillo Jr for younger people.
I disliked it intensely. First they took your car keys even though we all arrived on a church bus and were 150 miles from our actual cars.
Second they confiscated every ones watches for some mysterious reason or other.
It was very cultish to be Catholic!
Keeping people unaware of time is cultish all the way.
I disliked it intensely. First they took your car keys even though we all arrived on a church bus and were 150 miles from our actual cars.
Second they confiscated every ones watches for some mysterious reason or other.
It was very cultish to be Catholic!
Keeping people unaware of time is cultish all the way.
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gh4
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Same thing happened to me, no keys (even though we weren’t allowed to drive), no money, no phones, no electronics, no watches of any kind, no purses etc. Bible, rosary, sleeping bag, pillow, clothing for 4 days, meds if needed and that is pretty much it. I brought a book written by Pope B. and was allowed to keep it, someone else brought a christian novel and it was taken away. I brought a flashlight and some apples and I was allowed to keep those.
I had to fight to be able to keep a bottle of water at my bedside, even though I would need to take meds once I got back to my room and needed the water there in case of esophageal spasms. Not allowed to lock our doors (kind of like a motel with the rooms around a square, but you could easily get to the rooms from the parking lot… no gates… go figure.
I agree, it’s very cultish.
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BlueRoses12
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I notice you don’t answer maryjk’s question, just deflect with a strawman argument.
Nonsense. No one suggested people had guns to their backs. Deception, adroit refusal to answer questions, banking on the trust created by a prior friendship, and sometimes outright lies are used to present Cursillo as something it is not.
Of course there aren’t literal shackles keeping you there – but lack of transportation and communication (which they deliberately take pains to ensure) act as very efficient shackles. Combined with social pressure and cultline control techniques. This is a no-brainer.
If, as you say, it’s so clear to the general public what Cursillo is and what happens there, so intuitively obvious, and there is enough information out there to prevent attendance by those who might be harmed – *why does Cursillo itself mention it at all? *Why bother to even issue this warning to prospective sponsors?
Everything you say here has been answered beforehand in the prior “Cursillo”-titled thread on this board, and in the information provided.
That is, if you cared enough to read it. If you cared enough for the welfare of human beings, more than for protecting a social pastime, keeping a comfortable Catholic bubble intact.
If you don’t – if a pleasant experience is more important to you than the immortal souls of human beings – Well, it’s good to have that out in the open. But then, why bring Jesus and God into this at all? If one doesn’t acknowledge an external baseline of morality?
Fraud and lying are wrong. Kidnapping is wrong. Using cultline techniques to insert control over the spiritual lives of the vulnerable – and, in a way, we are *all *vulnerable – is wrong.
And accepting use of these, as a price of protecting one’s social pastime, is … de-facto atheism.
Whatever your motives, whatever your level of awareness, what you’ve said in this last few posts is beyond callous and hateful. In them I can almost hear Dana Carvey’s “Church Lady” character, from Saturday Night Live. People like you are the main reason people draw away from the Church.
And ultimately you’re on the losing end of history, as well. The truth is emerging about Cursillo.
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