Well, I am sorry but having been a parish priest and having been entrusted with the fabric and patrimony of the parish by the bishop, the safeguard of those goods was my responsibility…a responsibility that was guided by ecclesiastical law.I think the festival was in poor taste and I sympathize with the custodian. Maybe should have resigned openly and written letters to the higher Church authorities as to why he would disagree with such actions. But then again, I get pretty passionate about my faith as well so I don’t know if I would have had that type of restraint either.
There’s a higher law than civil law. Putting pagan idols such as Buddha statues in a Cathedral is offensive to God. Putting up profane decorations such as Mary Poppins statues in a Cathedral is crass and shows a lack of respect for the house of God. It is using the sacred (God’s house) for a profane purpose.Well, I am sorry but having been a parish priest and having been entrusted with the fabric and patrimony of the parish by the bishop, the safeguard of those goods was my responsibility…a responsibility that was guided by ecclesiastical law.
No person, such as this individual, has the right to come into Church property and simply alienate it on his own authority…whether it is a non-Catholic individual who objects to an objet d’art on the grounds of their beliefs or a Catholic who objects on whatever aesthetic they are applying.
It is profoundly offensive to the concept of civilised behaviour to enter any place…be it a church, a museum, or someone’s home, and proceed to destroy another person’s property on the grounds one does not like it or it does not accord with one’s personal sense of the proper and decorous. Such people deserve to have civil penalties imposed upon their anti-social behaviour – although in the case at hand, it is rather abundantly clear that the man is mentally ill and in need of being remanded to psychiatric care and treatment.
I take it you support laicizing and firing all bishops and priests who were arrested for nuclear protests? Yes or no?If this person found himself not in agreement with the policy of the cathedral, he should have quit. At least now he has terminated and had his certificate withdrawn… Hindsight is clear that it should never have been issued in the first place and in that is my one criticism: The man was repeatedly imprisoned for trespassing military installations. He is a danger to society. He displays the behaviour pattern of someone who should never have been employed by the Church.
You have the wrong idea of this Poppins and Buddha thing. It was part of the movie theme. You’d think they were pushing Buddha worship or flying fables, or do you??? I can assure you nothing could be farther from the truth. My Gosh, how many of you ever went to see those movies and thought nothing about it. Let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill over this. Almost sounds like the media judgments at work. God Bless, MemawThere’s a higher law than civil law. Putting pagan idols such as Buddha statues in a Cathedral is offensive to God. Putting up profane decorations such as Mary Poppins statues in a Cathedral is crass and shows a lack of respect for the house of God. It is using the sacred (God’s house) for a profane purpose.
It was never his decision to make or his action to take.There’s a higher law than civil law. Putting pagan idols such as Buddha statues in a Cathedral is offensive to God. Putting up profane decorations such as Mary Poppins statues in a Cathedral is crass and shows a lack of respect for the house of God. It is using the sacred (God’s house) for a profane purpose.
You seemingly do not understand how the Church as a hierarchical institution works.I take it you support laicizing and firing all bishops and priests who were arrested for nuclear protests? Yes or no?
You brought up his arrest at nuclear protests as evidence that he was a danger to society and should never have been employed by the Church. You were giving your opinion on it not the Vatican’s or another ecclesial authority’s opinion, but yours. I’m asking if you hold this same standard for priests and bishops who have been arrested at nuclear protests? yes or no?You seemingly do not understand how the Church as a hierarchical institution works.
What I “support” is meaningless.
If a bishop or priest trespasses on a military installation, they will face the consequences of secular authority…as they well should. As a result, the Holy See will determine whether or not they can continue in a public ministry. Bishops and priests are not – and cannot – be “fired” in any conventional sense of the word, by virtue of the theology of Order.
In the case of a lay employee, they can be fired. And clearly this one not only needed to be, he should never have been hired in the first place. And, as I said, his crime is such that if I were the rector of that diocese’s cathedral, I would seek a restraining order from the civil authority barring his return to the cathedral grounds, due to his destructive actions.
I don’t think my sentiments could be any clearer.
I understand what was going on. It’s inappropriate in a Cathedral and offensive to God to have a Buddha statue in a Cathedral.You have the wrong idea of this Poppins and Buddha thing. It was part of the movie theme. You’d think they were pushing Buddha worship or flying fables, or do you??? I can assure you nothing could be farther from the truth. My Gosh, how many of you ever went to see those movies and thought nothing about it. Let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill over this. Almost sounds like the media judgments at work. God Bless, Memaw
For the life of me, I have no idea what this has to do with the topic.I take it you support laicizing and firing all bishops and priests who were arrested for nuclear protests? Yes or no?
From what I gather from the article, it was just part of a prop on the “set” of The King and I, a wholesome musical.How can a Buddha statue be permissible to be displayed in a church?
Canon law is more applicable in this case. The bishop is the authority in the diocese, not the custodian. If any Catholic has an issue with something like this, he could have appealed the actions of the priest to the bishop, or the of the bishop to the papal nuncio.There’s a higher law than civil law. Putting pagan idols such as Buddha statues in a Cathedral is offensive to God. Putting up profane decorations such as Mary Poppins statues in a Cathedral is crass and shows a lack of respect for the house of God. It is using the sacred (God’s house) for a profane purpose.
I take it you support laicizing and firing all bishops and priests who were arrested for nuclear protests? Yes or no?
I don’t think my sentiments could be any clearer.
I don’t think he wants to play the game. I don’t blame him. The point was not about the morality of protest, but about the mental state of this man. The fact that he saw no problem with cursing out a priest in the Cathedral reveals that there is more to this than Jesus cleansing the temple. He had promised not to be distruptive. Again, I ask myself why was such a promise asked? Truly, the second article link sheds much more light on this man than the first. He was not just a noble crusader.I’m asking if you hold this same standard for priests and bishops who have been arrested at nuclear protests? yes or no?
It was a prop related to the king of Siam in the movie.How can a Buddha statue be permissible to be displayed in a church?
I do not understand why you are putting cathedral in quotations – unless you are questioning whether or not it actually is the cathedral of the archdiocese of Omaha.I’m with the custodian. There are Biblical precedents for removing inappropriate activity from a place of worship by force. I’m also with the court. Technically he is guilty, but by imposing a nominal fine the court has clearly recognised mitigating factors at work here. I also find it quite incredible that so many, including clergy, would rush to condemn this man and wish him locked up, while absolving the “cathedral” of any wrong doing.
That’s right and like I said before, lots of us went to see those movies and never thought a thing about it. But some just like to be judgemental when not knowing all the facts. Blowing it all out of proportion. Our Archbishop is a very Holy man and so is the Pastor of our Cathedral. . God Bless, MemawFrom what I gather from the article, it was just part of a prop on the “set” of The King and I, a wholesome musical.
Withoug getting into the right and wrong of the location used for this event (I am not a bishop), I do see the value of promoting wholesome entertainment in an era where we have come to simply accept the violence, sex and immorality on television and at the movies.
Yet its fine to be judgmental of the custodian? A court gave him a $100 fine and let him go. Clearly, he is not such a great threat to society. As for the Archbishop, he is apparently according to the article looking into whether these sorts of displays are appropriate in a church. So yes maybe he is a holy man.That’s right and like I said before, lots of us went to see those movies and never thought a thing about it. But some just like to be judgemental when not knowing all the facts. Blowing it all out of proportion. Our Archbishop is a very Holy man and so is the Pastor of our Cathedral. . God Bless, Memaw
Even our judgment of actions, which is permissible should be tempered by our ignorance. Memaw seems to be closer and have more knowledge of this situation than anyone else here.Yet its fine to be judgmental of the custodian?