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twf
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Holy Family parish in Vancouver, BC, Canada is in the care of the FSSP and fully devoted to the EF mass. Low mass is celebrated on all weekdays and high mass on Sunday.
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IrishAm
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Your post made my eyes fill with tears. I so miss SS Peter & Paul . . . all the years of moving around, it is still the parish I consider “home” to my heart and soul. And, eventually, to my corporal remains as I have some unused property waiting at the parish cemetery!
It was good to see your post . . .
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Callixtus
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The SSPX remains out of communion with the Church. Pope Benedict said so definitely recently. Look it up on the Vatican website if you don’t believe me.
SSPX masses may be valid but are still illicit. Palmas is expressing only a personal opinion and does not speak for the Church.
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palmas85
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All right, please direct me to the document from thr Church that says we cannot attend an SSPX Mass. Go ahead point us to one. In fact the only document that they have ever come out with on the issue states that you may attend but they reccomend that you nor do so regularly and only do so out of a love for the Traditional Mass.
In reality even though these Masses are illicit they are more reverent, free from abuses and lack the gimmicks for lack of a better word as it were. that numerous licit Masses have.
The last I heard the Orthodox are also not in communion with the Church either and yet attending their Masses is OK in an emergency…
Just the same as with the SSPX.
It is amazing to me the sheer hatred that so many progressives have for the Society. I am glad that the Church does not feel the way about the Society as do so many of the faithful.
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ProVobis
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Illicitness is their problem and their sin. Our obligation is to find a valid Mass to attend. The commandment to keep Sunday holy trumps church politics and persistent gossip.
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palmas85
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Still waiting for someone to point me to the document that says we cannot attend SSPX Masses. I would have thought one would have been produced by now.
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Callixtus
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Given that the pope has declared that the SSPX remain out of communion with the Church (see his statement in a letter published among other places on the Vatican website) the burden of proof would be on you, who are claiming it is OK to go to their masses, to produce evidence that it is in fact OK with the Church.
It is never OK outside of some sort of extraordinary circumstance to knowingly and willfully attend illicitly performed masses.
And sheesh - relax a little. I, for one, though it should not matter for this conversation’s purposes, like the Tridentine mass and certainly have no problems with it. In fact I sometimes attend licit FSSP masses, and I look forward to a day of reconciliation with the schismatic traditionalist Catholics. There are things I don’t personally like about some of the changes made in recent decades, but again, in obedience, I respect them.
In the end, though, what makes us Catholic is obedience to Rome.
Don’t forget that the original Protestants who broke away from the Church thought they were being “faithful” to a tradition that they thought had been lost by a Church that had deviated. In the end they took things into their own hands - hence the problem.
The only way out of the - and I agree they are odious - “politics” - is obedience to legitimate authority. Clearly in reflecting on salvation history one can observe that God is pleased with obedience above all.
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Callixtus
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May I say one other thing?
Shouldn’t we be on guard against making an idol of any particular liturgical rite?
Again and again in the Scriptures we see divine displeasure with people taking things into their own hands.
Shouldn’t we be on guard against making an idol of any particular liturgical rite?
Again and again in the Scriptures we see divine displeasure with people taking things into their own hands.
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ljubim
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I think when you have experienced the two extremes: the epitome of liturgical abuse, and the epitome of reverence and heaven-on-earth at Mass, the choice for *guaranteed *tradition would be a no-brainer.
I invite you to discover why people will drive for hours to get to a Latin Mass. No, it’s not because other Masses are invalid, or do not have the Real Prescence, or any of that. These are the things that schismatics say. Many real catholics find that praying the Tridentine Mass is the closest they have ever felt to God. It’s a real spiritual aid. Not to mention the sheer age of it: the very Mass which you would see at a TLM is a near perfect replica of the Mass in the third century, and some say from the beginning.(ie when the old people told stories of back in the day when they walked with Our Lord.)
Please do not rebuke us for preferring this ancient form of worship.
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MikeDunphy
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:tiphat: Well, I hope that particular property investment does not pay off for you for a while. When you do arrive, you’ll have my mother for company.Your post made my eyes fill with tears. I so miss SS Peter & Paul . . . all the years of moving around, it is still the parish I consider “home” to my heart and soul. And, eventually, to my corporal remains as I have some unused property waiting at the parish cemetery!
It was good to see your post . . .
She is buried next to a row of priests. She said at the resurrection, when they process into heaven, she planned to sneak in hiding under one of their robes. 
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ljubim
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:tiphat: Well, I hope that particular property investment does not pay off for you for a while. When you do arrive, you’ll have my mother for company.
What a sweet story! Thanks 
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Callixtus
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Did you read my second-to-last post?
The Tridentine mass is from the 16th century. It was revised many times since then, up until 1962.
Why don’t you go to a FSSP mass that is in union with Rome?
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palmas85
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OK
A basic search of documents on the web from Rome (Ecclesia Dei, etc) would answer the question very quickly. However, I will save you the trouble by highlighting a few key areas:
The first significant event following the 1988 consecrations of the four bishops was the case which became known as “the Hawaii Six” (1991-1994): six lay men and women who had a radio show deeply critical of the Diocese of Honolulu and its leadership and who helped fund and build a SSPX chapel in Hawaii. The bishop of Honolulu excommunicated these Catholics for the crime of schism (by having a SSPX bishop confirm their children). Then-Cardinal Ratzinger, through the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, had to intervene and nullify the excommunications, much to the embarrassment of the Honolulu bishop. I would imagine that then Cardinal Ratzinger knew what he was doing. Would you agree?
Msgr. Camille Perl, long-time secretary for the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei (PCED), has repeatedly affirmed in personal letters that Catholics incur no penalty and no sin for merely fulfilling one’s Sunday obligation at a church or chapel served by the SSPX.
“In the strict sense you may fulfill your Sunday obligation by attending a Mass celebrated by a priest of the Society of St. Pius X.”
On January 8, 2003, the Vatican’s Ecclesia Dei Commission, in response to someone who asked about attending chapels of the Society of Saint Pius X founded by the late Archbishop Lefebvre, wrote in a letter that:
Attending the Society of Saint Pius X chapels fulfills the Catholic’s Sunday obligation, Catholics are permitted to make financial contributions to the Society of Saint Pius X.
The fact remains that the lay faithful who attend SSPX masses to fulfill their Sunday obligation are not sinning nor incurring any canonical penalty by doing so
Based on those letters and communications I would have to say that attending these Masses out of love and devotion to the Traditional Mass and given that there are vast swaths of the world in which there is no licit Traditional mass to attend, it is in fact OK to attend such Masses.
However, I have heard progressives get all flustered about this and try to twist these communications into “special circumstances for certain people only” that do not apply across the board.
That kind of reminds me of Cardinal Mahoney up in Los Angeles decreeing that the only people who could legally attend indult Masses were those people who had been adults at the time when the traditional Mass had been the norm, ie: prior to1967 or so. Of course he later became more flexible and allowed one indult Mass in the Archdiocese, but it could not be held at one specific location but rather moved around all over the Archdiocese. A truly wonderful example of complying with the the wishes of the then holy father Pope John Paul II. Of course Cardinal Mahoney is also alleged to have said that the Holy Father himself approved of his actions.
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IrishAm
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I know exactly where you mean. I’ll be across the entrance road, over by St. Francis.:tiphat: Well, I hope that particular property investment does not pay off for you for a while. When you do arrive, you’ll have my mother for company.
For those who don’t know the community, Naperville could be a pretty expensive place to live. I tell my Chicago friends that I am lucky because “I still have undeveloped property” in town.
Of course, where I end up will not be up to me eventually. As I always tell my girls, ultimately, when it comes to making the arrangements, “the dead don’t get a vote.”
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ljubim
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I pm’d you, so as not to get off topic. (especially with the 16th century thing!)
I’ll definitely make a list of all these parishes! Thanks so much. I’d like to end up living in one of these places, since I would like to take my future children to daily Mass with me, and I’d like them to participate in the Latin Mass as my generation never had a chance to. I’m almost jealous that even my mother remembers it, and so that would put only me out of the loop in my family’s Catholic heritage when it comes to altar rails, Latin, chant…
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ProVobis
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Maybe, I’ll bet I could use a 1570 Missal today.
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ljubim
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Well, in short the Tridentine Mass was around for a thousand years before it was codified and given the name “Tridentine.” According to Catholic answers of course
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Brendan
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Detroit was pretty fortunate in two of our auxillary bishops +Boyea and +Quinn. Both of them became active in the EF community and said the EF Mass whenever their schedules allowed.
Bishop Boyea even said the High Pontifical Mass on occasion.
Pope Benedict has seen fit to assign both to their own Sees, which is certainly our loss, but Lansing and Winona have gained great bishops.
Our current bishop, Archbishop Vigneron, offered the Sacrament of Confirmation according to the EF at one of our EF parishes last Nov. He did not celebrate Mass, but rather the Mass in the Presence of a Bishop was offered.
stjosaphat.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/confirmations-with-archbishop-allen-vigneron-post-ii/
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IrishAm
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If you have a copy, please post it on eBay or bring it to “Antiques Roadshow”!
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ProVobis
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Not for sale.If you have a copy, please post it on eBay or bring it to “Antiques Roadshow”!
I only wish I had one.
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