Damaged Faith

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I can’t really help but here are some extracts from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
God creates an ordered and good world
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Because God creates through wisdom, his creation is ordered: "You have arranged all things by measure and number and weight."151 The universe, created in and by the eternal Word, the “image of the invisible God”, is destined for and addressed to man, himself created in the “image of God” and called to a personal relationship with God.152 Our human understanding, which shares in the light of the divine intellect, can understand what God tells us by means of his creation, though not without great effort and only in a spirit of humility and respect before the Creator and his work.153 Because creation comes forth from God’s goodness, it shares in that goodness - "And God saw that it was good. . . very good"154- for God willed creation as a gift addressed to man, an inheritance destined for and entrusted to him. On many occasions the Church has had to defend the goodness of creation, including that of the physical world.155
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p4.htm#299:
1430 Jesus’ call to conversion and penance, like that of the prophets before him, does not aim first at outward works, “sackcloth and ashes,” fasting and mortification, but at the conversion of the heart, interior conversion. Without this, such penances remain sterile and false; however, interior conversion urges expression in visible signs, gestures and works of penance.23
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c2a4.htm#1430
1604 God who created man out of love also calls him to love the fundamental and innate vocation of every human being. For man is created in the image and likeness of God who is himself love.90 Since God created him man and woman, their mutual love becomes an image of the absolute and unfailing love with which God loves man. It is good, very good, in the Creator’s eyes. And this love which God blesses is intended to be fruitful and to be realized in the common work of watching over creation: "And God blessed them, and God said to them: ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it.’"91
1605 Holy Scripture affirms that man and woman were created for one another: "It is not good that the man should be alone."92The woman, “flesh of his flesh,” his equal, his nearest in all things, is given to him by God as a “helpmate”; she thus represents God from whom comes our help.93 "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh."94 The Lord himself shows that this signifies an unbreakable union of their two lives by recalling what the plan of the Creator had been “in the beginning”: "So they are no longer two, but one flesh."95
1620 Both the sacrament of Matrimony and virginity for the Kingdom of God come from the Lord himself. It is he who gives them meaning and grants them the grace which is indispensable for living them out in conformity with his will.117 Esteem of virginity for the sake of the kingdom118 and the Christian understanding of marriage are inseparable, and they reinforce each other:

Whoever denigrates marriage also diminishes the glory of virginity. Whoever praises it makes virginity more admirable and resplendent. What appears good only in comparison with evil would not be truly good. The most excellent good is something even better than what is admitted to be good.
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a7.htm#1601
478 Jesus knew and loved us each and all during his life, his agony and his Passion, and gave himself up for each one of us: "The Son of God. . . loved me and gave himself for me."116 He has loved us all with a human heart. For this reason, the Sacred Heart of Jesus, pierced by our sins and for our salvation,117 “is quite rightly considered the chief sign and symbol of that. . . love with which the divine Redeemer continually loves the eternal Father and all human beings” without exception.118
IN BRIEF

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Jesus Christ is true God and true man, in the unity of his divine person; for this reason he is the one and only mediator between God and men.
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p1.htm#478
 
Here are some more:
605 At the end of the parable of the lost sheep Jesus recalled that God’s love excludes no one: "So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish."410 He affirms that he came “to give his life as a ransom for many”; this last term is not restrictive, but contrasts the whole of humanity with the unique person of the redeemer who hands himself over to save us.411 The Church, following the apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception: "There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human being for whom Christ did not suffer."412
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a4p2.htm#605
Christ’s death is the unique and definitive sacrifice
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Christ’s death is both the Paschal sacrifice that accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world”,439 and the sacrifice of the New Covenant, which restores man to communion with God by reconciling him to God through the “blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins”.440
[614](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/614.htm’)😉 This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and surpasses all other sacrifices.441 First, it is a gift from God the Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in reparation for our disobedience.442
Jesus substitutes his obedience for our disobedience
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"For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man’s obedience many will be made righteous."443 By his obedience unto death, Jesus accomplished the substitution of the suffering Servant, who “makes himself an offering for sin”, when “he bore the sin of many”, and who “shall make many to be accounted righteous”, for “he shall bear their iniquities”.444 Jesus atoned for our faults and made satisfaction for our sins to the Father.445
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a4p2.htm#605
 
Some more:
[458](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/458.htm’)😉 The Word became flesh so that thus we might know God’s love: "In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him."72 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."73
[459](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/459.htm’)😉 The Word became flesh* to be our model of holiness*: “Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me.” "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me."74 On the mountain of the Transfiguration, the Father commands: "Listen to him!"75 Jesus is the model for the Beatitudes and the norm of the new law: "Love one another as I have loved you."76 This love implies an effective offering of oneself, after his example.77
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p1.htm#459
 
Fourth – I would like to try and address the Jesus and the Church
No I found this very helpful.Thankyou. I will take up your suggestion to read a gospel on my own. The only thing that makes me hesitate is the fear that my own interpretation or impression will be invariably incorrect or not a proper interpretation.
Well, I’m totally confused. I don’t know why you would seek spiritual help from the same church that abused you and whose beliefs you reject.
Catholicism is a big chuck of my past - it is a past I need to reach a resolution with. I reject the beliefs I was raised in which I have since discovered is a jansenist heresy. If you know anything about jansenism, then perhaps you can use your imagination as to what types of things I was taught. I know in my mind that I was raised in heresy, albeit the fear to re-discover truth is frightening for many reasons I won’t go into.
Such as, going to a catholic apologetics forum seeking psychological or spiritual help. Some very odd thinking and behavior here.
I didn’t think this was apologetics, I thought it was spirituality? Likewise I am not seeking psychological help. I am not unwell, I have received therapy in the past and I am not an unstable nut 😛 I’m sorry if I come across as someone with odd thinking and behaviour, I’ll try to be more discreet about it 😉
 
No I found this very helpful.Thankyou. I will take up your suggestion to read a gospel on my own. The only thing that makes me hesitate is the fear that my own interpretation or impression will be invariably incorrect or not a proper interpretation.
I’m Glad you found it useful.
Don’t worry about your interpretation in the Gospels. Just don’t feel like every phrase and nuance has to be understood.
Read them over and look at them in toto. If you do have any questions I would be happy to discuss them with you here or privately if you prefer.

James
 
Beautiful child of God,

I am so saddened to read of your experiences. I don’t know if you are familiar with St. Faustina or not, but she was an uneducated nun in Poland in the 1930’s. She was canonized by Pope John Paul II.

She wrote a diary in which she related her visions of Jesus and what He related to her.

This link takes you to a current post here at CAF. This section of the diary is so beautiful, and gives just a glimpse of the message of Jesus.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=201480

My prayers are with you.
 
Beautiful child of God,

I am so saddened to read of your experiences. I don’t know if you are familiar with St. Faustina or not, but she was an uneducated nun in Poland in the 1930’s. She was canonized by Pope John Paul II.

She wrote a diary in which she related her visions of Jesus and what He related to her.

This link takes you to a current post here at CAF. This section of the diary is so beautiful, and gives just a glimpse of the message of Jesus.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=201480

My prayers are with you.
This passage is indeed very nice. God is very tender and merciful when you turn to Him and trust Him and he then accomplishes the rest - thank God for that! Can you imagine returning to Him and having to climb the stairway to heaven by yourself :eek: It’s too much for anyone to fathom because you have to be so pure to enter heaven. This in a way is like a replica of what happened to me when I attempted suicide and saw God, you could perhaps subsititute that soul for my own, and that very love is what I experienced. That single moment of love won me over in an instant, and won me for an eternity. I have heard of St Faustina though I have also heard that apparently there were troubles with her “revelations” and that they were rejected and then accepted. I have searched the web and found her diary online on a wonderful website called ‘rayofmercy’, so I will read the diary in its entirety.
Thankyou for that 🙂
 
I hope now that you have broken away from your abusers and it’s just you and God, that you have a sinless life full of sunshine and no problems and no one ever sins against you again. It didn’t work out that way for me, but we can all hope, right? :hug3:
Everything is possible for God. I have broken away from those who hurt me in more than just a physical separation. I know who God Is and no-one can tell me otherwise. As St Therese said, (i think, or at least I’m sure I read something like this in Story of a Soul) I know what to believe about God and His Mercy - no-one can make me believe otherwise.

A sinless life full of sunshine? - well I am working on the sinless part, I indeed hope to be sinless for God as sin is failing to love Him and I want to love Him perfectly and as He deserves to be loved - as for sunshine? my whole life is sunshine now and forever because I know God loves me. His love is my light and He alone is the sun of my life, so I do have eternal sunshine in my life.

No-one ever sin against me again? - unlikely since all people fail to love others as they should - but such ‘sins’ against me do not destroy me as they used to because God’s love is in my soul and everything else merely skims the surface.

We can all hope right? - of course, everything is possible for God.

In His Love 🙂
 
As I said many posts ago:
  1. You need psychological help. Your writing clearly tells us that you are not healed, you are raw.
  2. You need a spiritual guide or advisor. Your interpretation may be faulty based on what you have said here.
  3. You need legal help. If in fact you were abused by church hierarchy, they should be held accountable.
You say you know God. You do not know all of God. God is love. God is also Christ Jesus. God is also the Holy Spirit. You remember the Trinity, correct?

If you love God, the Father, alone, you are loving and knowing only a part.

You claim that your anger is at the Church, headed by Christ. Well, the Church on earth is made up on human beings, some good, some not. Don’t confuse your rage with Jesus, when really you are raging against humans.

Again, therapy, a spiritual guide and legal advise is strongly advised. 👍

My prayers are with you.
 
I thankyou for your concern GGirl, your caring attitude to me is much appreciated. 🙂

Point 1 and 3 that you recommended to me are and have been dealt with. I have received psychological help and therapy and I have healed to a great extent though I recognize that some healing will take longer. As for point 2 - spiritual direction, admittedly that is a more difficult one to seek out as I must find a spiritual director I trust. That will take some time. Until then I want to interact with catholics from a safe distance 😉
 
I thankyou for your concern GGirl, your caring attitude to me is much appreciated. 🙂
As for point 2 - spiritual direction, admittedly that is a more difficult one to seek out as I must find a spiritual director I trust.
You could pray about this. St. Faustina wrote in her diary about praying to have a good Spiritual Director and a good Confessor.
 
[SIGN]QUOTE=uglygal;3004310]Where to start? I was born and raised a catholic and went to a catholic school. I grew up in the faith - church every Sunday without fail, daily rosary, weekly fasting and weekly confession. Constant stories about the saints and how “heroic” they are. Obey priests, never question, be a saint for God. What was wrong? 🤷

24 years of being taught to hate yourself, until self-hate becomes an art - depression, panic attacks, anxiety, fear, self-mutilation, suicide attempts, abuse by religious … imitate the crucified christ

24 years with no relationships - solitary confinement, living in isolation, must do penance, can’t have boyfriends or God will send me to hell. My body is sin and evil, my feelings are depraved and evil … I am evil.

24 years of being taught by your teachers in the “holy faith” a jansenist heresy of how to be hated by God and hate yourself for been born. 24 years believing that being born was a sin and doing penance for the sin of being alive, 24 years believing I am a soul in the line of Judas, born and destined for damnation[/SIGN].

I can feel the pain & anger in you & I’m so sorry that you have to deal with this. I, too, grew up in the faith. I attended Catholic schools for 12 yrs. & I’d truly like to understand how this happened to you. You see, my experience was the exact opposite. During my first 6 yrs. in elementary school, I was taught by Benedictines, then a couple of years with the Precious Blood sisters because we moved & changed schools. During my high school years, I attended an Academy of the Sacred Heart & was taught by the RSCJ. All were kind & such wonderful role models.

I remember my first day of school. I was the oldest child in the family & I was a bit scared. I walked across the street (with my Mother watching me, tears in her eyes) & reached up to turn the door knobon those BIG main doors. I hesitated a bit & the door opened from the inside. A young nun, dropped to one knee so that she was down on my level & said, with a big smile…“I’m Sister Mary Rose & I’m going to be your Guardian Angel today”. She took me to the first grade classroom, introduced my to my new teacher & walked me to my desk. All day long, she’d appear every once in a while…she walked with me to the children’s Mass, she searched me out at lunch & during recess she played “Red Rover, Red Rover” with me & others. It turns out that 4 nuns were chosen to watch over 5 children each, in order to make their first day of school a good one. This continued for a week.

Did I ever get in trouble. You bet I did, but never when I didn’t deserve it & never was the punishment cruel or degrading. The Sacred Heart nuns who taught me in high school…what can I say? They were hard-working, holy women, wonderful role models & they taught me about a loving, merciful & just God.
. They counseled me about my attitude toward my studies (I could blow them off, at times), they encouraged me to go to college, they believed in me, more than I EVER believed in myself. I owe whatever success I’ve achieved in life to them & my parents.

I’m trying so hard to understand how this could have happened to you, when we’ve both had basically the same upbringing. I believe that you are suffering greatly & would like to understand why. I do remember a girl in my graduating class who suffered from scruples, but I don’t really understand what brings that about. Their were 50 of us, & only one who could be said to have the same problems that you do.

When you told your parents that you were being taught to “hate yourself” or that God would punish you for having a boyfriend, what did they say??

You don’t have to answer any of these questions, I believe that you’ve suffered greatly, but I’m just trying to make sense of this given my own experience.
 
My parents don’t say anything, they agree that the flesh is evil, the body must be punished and to have a boyfriend is not allowed till I’m at least dead. I come from a catholic family - a strongly catholic family, from one (or perhaps the most) catholic country in the world.
 
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