Dangerous Catholics

[upant]

“Well, Johnny did it too!” argument

no Johnny didn’t do it

these anti-catholic policies are pushed by the democrats, not repubs

Most of the above, frankly, is nonsensical, especially since it includes a stereotype of supposedly what Dems believe and want, but I have neither the time nor the desire to litigate all of these.

have you looked at the laws democrats are passing locally? have you been listening to the dem candidates? this isn’t a stereotype, it is reality.

Would you point out the Democratic Party Platform paragraphs that detail these policies?

please note, I said moral issues in that post, not platform.

do you deny these are democrat ideas being pushed at the state level?

it is the Dems actions that are dangerous and anti-catholic.

 

[EnglishTeacher]

I don’t know what happened to O’Reilly after he had to resign from Fox News, but Hannity recently announced that he was leaving the Catholic Church.

 

[Annie]

Wow, i don’t kniw what to say!

 

[otjm]

Again, it’s impossible to have a serious discussion with those who use “false equivalencies” and try to justify immoral actions by saying that someone else did it too.

I don’t know if you were replying to me, if you were, then you out of your own worldview are making presumptions on my world view. I make no apologies nor do I give a free pass to anyone who commits sin. But I have been around long enough to know that out of the 13 Presidents since I was born, there likely ins not a single one of them who has not lied; and a number of them have committed adultery, either before or during their term of office.

I don’t vote for a President based on his personal morality; I vote for them based on what I think they will do during their term of office politically.

The Mueller Report, interestingly, was not and is not the basis for the Articles of Impeachment currently before the Senate, so your hint of “obstruction” is a farce; and the construction of the team of investigators under Mueller was skewed heavily to the Democratic side. Even they could not come up with anything rising to the level of a crime.

As to racism, that seems to be the constant bleat of CNN and the like; no mattr what he does, they try to paint it with an overlay. His background in business, where racism could be prevalent, shows someone who looks at the ability of the individual, not their skin color; your comment is unproved.

Obama and Trump both had children in cages because they children were brought along by the parents illegally entering the US; and they were caged along with their parents because the record of “cite and release with a court appearance in the future” has been a standing joke for several administrations back. Don’t come in illegally with children, and you won’t be separated.

 

[Metis1]

He’s recognizing the reality, apparently, that both he and Trump are quite incompatible with even the most basic Catholic social teachings.

 

[TheLittleLady]

please note, I said moral issues in that post, not platform.

do you deny these are democrat ideas being pushed at the state level?

it is the Dems actions that are dangerous and anti-catholic.

Question, do you know any of the officers of the Democratic party in your county or State?

I do. Not only in my area but in other States as well. I’ve been on boards where policies were debated and discussed.

I have never met anyone of any party who is for infanticide, who is pro breaking the Confessional seal (smaller number, because there are many Catholics who do not understand the seal, let alone non-Catholics understanding it), nor anyone who wishes to rescind the Constitutional freedoms of religious practice.

That is why I wonder what your sources are for your accusations?

 

[TheLittleLady]

Yes, has been discussed here:

Sean Hannity leaves the church World News

Sean Hannity announced publicly that he is leaving the Catholic church due to the corruption in that institution. I had no idea that he was Catholic, but the news is not good. Does anyone know more on this story?

 

[Metis1]

Obama and Trump both had children in cages because they children were brought along by the parents illegally entering the US; and they were caged along with their parents because the record of “cite and release with a court appearance in the future” has been a standing joke for several administrations back. Don’t come in illegally with children, and you won’t be separated.

Maybe try convincing Pope Francis on this because he has spoken out against Trump’s policies on this and some other Trump programs, such as climate change denial.

One can believe in Jesus (and the Pope) or believe in Trump, but one cannot believe in both. Jesus’ main teaching of us having the love of God and one another is the polar opposite of Trump’s aggressive divide & conquer approach matched by his numerous bigoted and demeaning actions and words.

And I left the Republican Party decades ago mainly because of its racist positions, and it’s even gotten worse since then. If one can’t see Trump’s racism, they gotta problem of one type or another.

 

[otjm]

Maybe try convincing Pope Francis on this because he has spoken out against Trump’s policies on this and some other Trump programs, such as climate change denial.

One can believe in Jesus (and the Pope) or believe in Trump, but one cannot believe in both. Jesus’ main teaching of us having the love of God and one another is the polar opposite of Trump’s aggressive divide & conquer approach matched by his numerous bigoted and demeaning actions and words.

And I left the Republican Party decades ago mainly because of its racist positions, and it’s even gotten worse since then. If one can’t see Trump’s racism, they gotta problem of one type or another.

You have been listening to CNN a bit too much; Trump before he was electd was known for how he worked with people of all races. CNN has repeatedly charged “racism” because they have no other way to denigrate him.

And I have no problem with your leaving the Republican party, but you need to take off the blinders and see the racism in the Democratic Party. It tends to be a bit more subtle; an example is their support for Planned Parenthood, who is known for their focus on providing abortion to black neighborhoods. And it was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic party which proposed the changes to welfare which effectively destroyed the black families; a woman could not get welfare if there was a man in the house.

I don’t believe in “Trump”; I believe in decisions which reflect American and Christian values; unlike the Democratic Party which is behind gay marriage, gender dysphoria, denigration of males, and beyond idiotic “free this and free that”.

One of the screams and howls of racism was his move to limit entrance to certain Muslim countries; those screaming ignored that there were other Muslim countries which were not impacted; but oh, no, :He’s a racist!". Please - spare me the outrage.

 

[upant]

Maybe try convincing Pope Francis on this because he has spoken out against Trump’s policies on this and some other Trump programs, such as climate change denial.

on the premiere issues, the pope and trump are closer than the democrats and the pope

Naumann said he told the pope that since the Roe v. Wade court decision legalized abortion, an estimated 61 million abortions have taken place in the United States.

“I think the pope was truly kind of stunned by that number,” Naumann said. “Sadly, our abortion policies are one of the most liberal in the world. The fact is that it really is literally for all nine months of pregnancy. Most other nations don’t permit (abortions) at least at a certain point in the pregnancy.”

Naumann said that while Francis has “elevated issues like the care of refugees and migrants,” he also understands that the situation in the United States is different compared to other countries.

“I think sometimes as he elevates those things, people mistakenly think, ‘Well, that means that the abortion issue will become less important,’” he said.

Archbishop Robert J. Carlson of St. Louis told CNS it was “beautiful” when the pope explained why life was the number one, most important issue, “because if you’re not alive you can’t do anything else

While Francis “certainly talked about abortion as a preeminent issue,” Carlson said, “at the same time he said there’s another significant issue and that would be ‘transgender’ - where we are trying to make all human beings the same, it makes no difference, you can be whoever you want to be.”

Pope speaks to U.S. bishops about pro-life issues, transgender ideology | Crux

 

[upant]

I have never met anyone of any party who is for infanticide,

the Virginia governor was all over the news about abortion just after birth.

who is pro breaking the Confessional seal

California tried, the church got the bill pulled and Utah has a Dem pushing a current bill.

Bill requiring clergy to report child abuse confessions opposed by Utah Catholics, House speaker

As religious opposition both in and out of Utah mounts against a proposed bill to require all allegations of child abuse to be reported to authorities, including those stated in religious confessionals, a powerful legislative leader has opposed the bill.

www.deseret.com

from the sacbee.com

“Their perpetrators went to confession, confided in a religious leader, and nothing ever happened,” Romero told The Salt Lake Tribune “The purpose is to get rid of the exemption and hold religious leaders to the same standard as teachers and doctors.”

 

[otjm]

Well, after the last election it was clear that a goodly number of union people voted for the Republican candidate, not the Democratic candidate, who seemed to do out of her way to either ignore, or remark dismissively as to their character. The current President has not hewed to the Republican Party line in numerous ways, so we shall see if any shake-up in the Party philosophy occurs from his presidency.

In other words, I can see this administration responding somewhat more positively with workers; and I for sure do not hear the candidates planning on running against him having much to say which would include what union folks consider important (e.g. Medicare for all - which means abandoning the insurance benefits unions have fought for over decades).

I do not choose to portray the Republican party as the end all and be all of Catholics; but it certainly has and has had positions which are in direct conflict with both Democratic Part platforms and some of the changes we have seen over the last administration. Little Sisters of the Poor being only one example.

 

[Metis1]

I got flagged on two posts, whereas I am careful with what I write, thus it seems to be a waste of time and effort being here at CAF, on the political boards at least. As one who has taught Catholic theology for 15 years, and one who tries to be fair and objective, there’s something going on here that is out of kilter. If this post gets me kicked out of CAF, so be it, because someone(s) got their thumb on the scale.

 

[TheLittleLady]

the Virginia governor was all over the news about abortion just after birth.

I’m not sure who is telling you this. By definition, abortion is a process done to end a pregnancy. Birth also ends a pregnancy. If someone ends the life of a born person, and that person has been born less than 2 years, they are committing infanticide. It is a logical impossibility to abort after birth.

Once again, I have never read, seen or heard of a politician of any party who has a pro infanticide policy.

A couple of politicians have wanted to reports of abuse to be required to report. No one has been successful as the US Constitution is the law of the land. You will not see that as a political platform.

If a Republican allows his dog to poop in my yard without cleaning it up, does this mean that the Republican party is running on a pro-manure agenda?

 

[upant]

I’m not sure who is telling you this. By definition, abortion is a process done to end a pregnancy. Birth also ends a pregnancy. If someone ends the life of a born person, and that person has been born less than 2 years, they are committing infanticide. It is a logical impossibility to abort after birth.

you are correct, the term most are using is “at birth”, so the Dems are pushing “at birth” and infanticide, another reason not to vote for them.

Virginia Del. Dawn Adams, a pro-abortion Democrat, apologized to her constituents Wednesday evening for cosponsoring Del. Kathy Tran’s bill that would’ve allowed abortion even after a woman goes into labor. Tran admitted her bill would allow abortion up until birth earlier this week in a now-viral video which received widespread backlash. Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam also received criticism for his comments defending leaving infants to die even after birth.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Late term abortion is just that. prior to birth. Do I think it is a terrible thing, of course. Infanticide is direct killing of a born infant. I have still never read a law that allows infanticide.

I wonder, what are the statistics for late term abortions vs the “health/welfare of the mother/fetus” abortions which the Republicans embrace?

 

[Metis1]

We seriously need to consider that this needs to be looked at as being two issues when it comes to the issue of abortion and children, namely what is moral under Catholic social teachings with both the unborn and the born. What I run across all so much is that some who are opposed to abortion, which I am as well, don’t seem to want the government to lift a finger to help those children that are already born.

When we have about 1/3 of public school children that have to get their main meal of the day at school, and yet this administration plans on cutting the SNAP program in April that will directly affect an estimated 1 million children, we have a problem, and the main part of that problem is in Washington with this administration.

As oft been said, all too many Pubs care about children before they’re borne but seemingly couldn’t care less about them after they’re born. They attack educational funding, for example. They want to eliminate the ACA that would negatively affect millions of children. They fight any attempt at reducing the effects of climate change that will certainly affect the future of the next generations. They ramped-up the debt, whereas the interest will be a burden to next generation. Etc. Etc.

Of the 20 most industrialized countries, we are the only one that spends less money on children’s education with lower-income families than we do with children from middle & upper income families. And for the first time in American history, we are actually having fewer people by percent being able to vote in elections because of voter-suppression changes taking place driven by Republican politicians. Targeted are both minorities and the young, both of which tend to vote more Democratic.

IOW, we are moving backwards.

 

[upant]

I wonder, what are the statistics for late term abortions vs the “health/welfare of the mother/fetus” abortions which the Republicans embrace?

the statistics are not important, the fact that we want to kill babies in the late-term for almost any reason is. the Dems want to take the limits off and expand access to late-term abortions. it isn’t about now, but future deaths of babies!

I have still never read a law that allows infanticide.

there is no law, yet, but it is being proposed by a popular governor, it is only a matter of time until it is taken up by other democrat legislatures.

When we have about 1/3 of public school children that have to get their main meal of the day at school, and yet this administration plans on cutting the SNAP program in April that will directly affect an estimated 1 million children, we have a problem, and the main part of that problem is in Washington with this administration.

are you sure?

The changes being enacted will only affect able-bodied adults with no dependents.
(snip)
A more rational debate over the status of SNAP benefits would recognize that no matter where you draw the arbitrary lines for eligibility, there will always be some people who don’t qualify. That doesn’t mean the government is trying to starve them to death. (ERIC BOEHM)

As oft been said, all too many Pubs care about children before they’re borne but seemingly couldn’t care less about them after they’re born. They attack educational funding, for example. They want to eliminate the ACA that would negatively affect millions of children. They fight any attempt at reducing the effects of climate change that will certainly affect the future of the next generations. They ramped-up the debt, whereas the interest will be a burden to next generation. Etc. Etc.

the democratic way isn’t working. it is breaking down the family unit, keeping kids from going to better schools, ACA devastated healthcare, and climate change is just another democrat wealth distribution plan. it is time for something new,

IOW, we are trying to move forward

 

[Peeps]

Nope. We’ve always had “good” public Catholics and “bad” public Catholics. And sometimes people strongly disagree on which are which.
Besides, all people are sinners.

This makes sense to me. I think ?? that Al Capone was a Catholic–and he really WAS dangerous!

 

[Taras_Bulba]

It is the party of Moloch versus the party of Usury.