Dangerous Catholics

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TheLittleLady said:
How does this always come around to Mr Trump? If Mr Trump came to Mass tomorrow, or called our parish on Monday and asked to come in to speak to Father, do you think that we’d not be merciful?
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is mercy just for the mass?

it comes to Trump because people keep using trump to try and justify voting for the anti-religious democratic platform. then claim it is about a single issue which it isn’t anymore.
TheLittleLady said:
Really, this is not about political parties.
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it is about the anti-religious democratic platform that these “Catholics” are pushing, none of the laundry lists of anti-religious policies conform to church teaching.
TheLittleLady said:
Unjust war is an anti-Catholic policy.
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both parties guilty
TheLittleLady said:
Any direct abortion, including the rape/incest/health loophole is anti-Catholic policy.
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600,000 dead babies allowed versus how many for your loophole?
TheLittleLady said:
The death penalty is anti-Catholic policy.
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it is biblical. Was the pope’s statement infallible? many bishops and priests are at odds on this, not just politicians.
TheLittleLady said:
We could list party platforms in both major parties that are anti-Catholic. Neither of the big corporate parties are Catholic.
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yes, but the GOP is not to the extent that the democrats are pushing their anti-catholic policies. we sometimes forget the protestants in the GOP are pushing what they believe, not necessarily catholic teaching. However, it is a lot closer than democratic Catholics policies.
TheLittleLady said:
I know of one candidate who embraces a Catholic policy platform, and he is 3rd party.
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can he win? will a vote for him help stop the anti-religious policies of the democrats?
 
Dovekin said:
“nones” comes from the world of religious surveys done by Gallup, Pew, and others. It is a choice for self identifying listed with Catholic, Jew, Evangelical, none, etc.
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I am pretty sure Bishop Barron coined this term. He speaks of the Nones quite a bit in his talks
upant said:
I have not heard bishop Barron on “nones”, I understand it more in line with what @dovekin wrote.
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He has quite a few talks on how to evangelise the nones and why they are nones. They are on youtube.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
we hate democrats” seems to be the current favorite single issue.
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The issue is not “we hate democrats” but we hate the immorality that has crept into the democratic platform and which the democrat politicians are pushing.

Speaking for myself, not voting democrat has gone long past one single issue but multiple issues.
 
Dovekin said:
They love the unborn child They cannot see, but do not see the woman carrying the child.
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Just because we cannot see them does not mean that they do not exist or are not as important as people we can see. Should we not love people who are suffering from war, persecution or starvation far away overseas because we cannot see them? Should we not love those people who are homeless in other cities because we cannot see them?

My experience of pro-life supporters is that they do also love the women carrying children, and pro-life organisations provide much needed help and support to expectant mothers, but loving someone does not extend to supporting a person’s ‘right’ to kill another person.
 
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Elf01 said:
I really think the Church would be better off without them, and they would be doing less damage to their souls by ceasing to claim to be Catholic.
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I’m really glad you didn’t happen to run into me while I was mostly not practicing for over a decade and committing a big pile of serious mortal sins in other areas of my life.

Guess you just don’t want people like me in “your” church. Fortunately, Jesus did, and still does.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
I’m really glad you didn’t happen to run into me while I was mostly not practicing for over a decade and committing a big pile of serious mortal sins in other areas of my life.

Guess you just don’t want people like me in “your” church. Fortunately, Jesus did, and still does.
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I’m glad you are in the Church and Jesus is also. I am pretty sure, though, Jesus wants us as Catholics to go to the Sacrament of penance, be in a state of grace, not mortal sin and definitely not lead others into mortal sin.

I think that perhaps that is what @Elf01 is saying, those who are leading people incorrectly as far as Catholic teaching, especially morality, are not just harming others but putting their own souls in even greater danger.

But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea. Matthew 18:6
 
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It’s one thing to say, “don’t lead people into sin”. It’s another thing to say, “sinners don’t belong in our church”, like everybody in the church isn’t in some way a sinner. And I think that includes encouraging or leading someone else into sin at some point in our lives.

Moreover, our church encourages sinners to participate in the faith as much as they can, to come to Mass even if it’s sporadic. The only thing that people aren’t supposed to do is receive Communion in mortal sin, and that’s something for their priest and/or their bishop to judge, not for onlookers to judge. I also think it’s important to stress the point that sinners are welcome in our church, because there are Protestant churches out there where, if you’re an open sinner in the eyes of the community, they don’t want you in their church club, don’t even bother to show up, you might be asked to leave or you’ll just get a fish eye for the whole time you’re there. The Catholic church is not like that and I hope it will never become like that.

I must say that reading such exclusive comments on a forum doesn’t encourage me to trust or want to interact with fellow Catholics.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
The Church tells us time and again that we are not to be single issue voters, and “we hate democrats” seems to be the current favorite single issue.
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hating democrats isn’t the issue, their multiple policies that are directly opposed to church teaching is, it isn’t a single issue anymore!
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I also think it’s important to stress the point that sinners are welcome in our church, because there are Protestant churches out there where, if you’re an open sinner in the eyes of the community, they don’t want you in their church club, don’t even bother to show up, you might be asked to leave or you’ll just get a fish eye for the whole time you’re there. The Catholic church is not like that and I hope it will never become like that.
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‘Protestants attend mass because they think they are good people. Catholics attend mass because we know we’re not’.

I have heard this said by Milo Yiannopoulos. I think he was quoting somebody else though but I don’t remember who.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
It’s one thing to say, “don’t lead people into sin”. It’s another thing to say, “sinners don’t belong in our church”, like everybody in the church isn’t in some way a sinner. And I think that includes encouraging or leading someone else into sin at some point in our lives.
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My issue isn’t with them being sinners. It’s with them being unrepentant. And, yes, until they do repent, I think they, and the Church, would be better off if they didn’t claim to be Catholic.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
It’s one thing to say, “don’t lead people into sin”. It’s another thing to say, “sinners don’t belong in our church”, like everybody in the church isn’t in some way a sinner.
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I agree.Every one of us is a sinner. I don’t think what was being said was sinners do not belong in the Church. It is true all sinners need to come to the Church, we need to remember we want them/us to come in with repentance and not continue in sin nor do we want, and this is the most important thing, to be taught sin is okay.

My hope is that if I am in a state of mortal sin and leading others into that sin, that those of the Church who know and see that what I am doing is dangerous to me and to others, loving lead me back to the truth and not watch me walk over the cliff out of fear of offending me.
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
that those of the Church who know and see what I am doing is dangerous to me and to others
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I don’t know a single person in the Church other than my parents, who have both been dead for a while, who would have a clue what I was doing, whether by seeing it or knowing it or anything else. I don’t live my life in the public eye; a lot of us don’t, because we are private. So if I should sin at this point, it’s going to be between me and the priest. And my personal preference is that I want it to stay that way.

I don’t plan on committing any more big sins, but I do know that when I was sinning, some nebby person outside my immediate family trying to “correct” me about it would have had zero effect. I had some “Christian” (not a Catholic) try to lecture me once a couple decades back. I cut her off. Haven’t talked to her in 20 years, or kept track of her. Don’t miss her one bit either.

Minding the business of others is often not welcomed and does not have any sort of good outcome. If you like to have others mind your business, fine. Some of us don’t. Leave us alone unless you have something kind to say, and let us find God in our own way.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I don’t live my life in the public eye; a lot of us don’t, because we are private. So if I should sin at this point, it’s going to be between me and the priest. And my personal preference is that I want it to stay that way.
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That is a very good point. Most people want to keep things private. I live in a small Catholic town, so unfortunately there isn’t a whole lot that isn’t known. I remember someone once saying, “there is always someone who knows what you are doing”. When living in a small town, that is very, very true and I am private and do not like that but it is what it is for me right now.
Tis_Bearself said:
I had some “Christian” (not a Catholic) try to lecture me once a couple decades back. I cut her off.
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I think when we are in sin it is hard to listen. I was the same way before returning to the Church. A little different though, I am grateful now for what those people (my family) said because I realize now it was out of care and concern for me. Now I have my own family and I am in my parents spot, and I am trying to keep my young ones in the faith and yes I try to be careful what I say as to not offend.
Tis_Bearself said:
Minding the business of others is often not welcomed and does not have any sort of good outcome. If you like to have others mind your business, fine. Some of us don’t. Leave us alone unless you have something kind to say, and let us find God in our own way.
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Reading this made me realize the difference in what the thread is about and how most Catholics feel. The OP is talking about those who are in the public eye. Those who are standing on platforms and working to lead others away from the truth. To me if you are publicly declaring something against the Church, the Church or it’s people should have a right to say, you are wrong, for the good of the speaker and others.
 
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Ok for me, A Catholic with the ear of the public, with a platform to speak, teaching errors specifically about the Catholic Church is the most dangerous Catholic.
That dangerous person would be a Catholic in a position of authority within the Church, not a laity that is a celebrity or a politician

People are always going to have their opinions. It is up to us to really know what the Church believes, then to discern the truth and falsehoods in these opinions.

Sinners are not dangerous, we are all sinners.
 
OurLadyofSorrows said:
This is where the Church needs to start speaking up.
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Right and I think this is where the OP was going with this thread. Should the Church, clergy or laity, speak up when Catholics twist or misuse Church teaching or the words of the Pope for their own political or personal agenda, twisting of words or Church teaching that will influence others in the wrong direction.
 
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