Dangerous Catholics

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My personal experience is that not particularly well catechized but practicing Catholics can be and are lead astray by the collection of leftists noted by the OP; and what seems to be a significant part of the cause of such Catholics buying into what the leftists say is that they (the Catholics led astray) are dyed-in-the-wool Democrats who cannot hear what the other side is saying.
Catholics are dyed in the wool Democrats. They were Democrats when it was the party of “Rum, Romanism and rebellion.” They were Democrats when Al Smith ran for president, and later, when JFK ran for president. They are Democrats today because the values they were taught as Catholics are the values they can express as Democrats and are not the values that can be expressed by Republicans. Can you imagine promoting solidarity with other workers in the Republican party?

The problem is that “not particularly well catechized but practicing Catholics” think that Catholicism is only about what they want Catholicism to be about. Their Catholicism is not about loving the neighbor they can see, the gay brother and sister or the ailing mother or son, but about abstractions they cannot see. They love the unborn child They cannot see, but do not see the woman carrying the child.

Of course, this is a caricature of a far more complex picture. I post it only because it is imo more accurate than the portrayal of the Republican party as more appropriate for Catholics.
 
Catholics are dyed in the wool Democrats. They were Democrats when it was the party of “Rum, Romanism and rebellion.” They were Democrats when Al Smith ran for president, and later, when JFK ran for president.
the democrats are now the party of the “nones”. their platform policies are anti-catholic,

by voting democrat, you support abortion, the entire LGBT agenda, euthanasia, embryonic
stem cell research, transgenderism, identity politics, the destruction of the family, contraception, socialism, breaking the seal of the confession, forced abortions in catholic hospitals, forcing the church to perform same-sex marriages, liberal judges, etc

which of these policies are supported by the church?

Catholics didn’t leave the democrats, the democrats left them.

 
Catholics are dyed in the wool Democrats. They were Democrats when it was the party of “Rum, Romanism and rebellion.” They were Democrats when Al Smith ran for president, and later, when JFK ran for president. They are Democrats today because the values they were taught as Catholics are the values they can express as Democrats and are not the values that can be expressed by Republicans. Can you imagine promoting solidarity with other workers in the Republican party?
Exactly, and well said, imo.

And all we have to do is to look at the Republican Party today under Donald J.Trump and his nasty words and actions for confirmation of what you say above. Since when is adultery, having a prostitute, publicly demeaning and bullying innocent others, persistently lying, putting children in cages in order to “send a message”, bragging how he can grope and forcibly kiss women, how large his penis is, etc., Catholic values?

And some should note that Trump was Pro-Choice all his adult life until he decided to run on the Republican ticket. This is called “pandering”, and all tyrants do this to garner support, especially from the Evangelicals and many Catholics in this case.

As for myself, as one who used to be a Republican decades ago, I’m more of an independent who tends to vote for more Dems than Pubs, especially since the latter have fallen off the turnip truck into utter depravity and sheer cowardice, thus refusing to stand up to Trump.
 
Always think “what would I say if this person were sitting next to me at Mass”.
If I spoke to them at all I’d probably say something along the lines of don’t pretend you’re Catholic if you don’t want to live the faith. And I would hope for a homily on the points they disagree with. I really think the Church would be better off without them, and they would be doing less damage to their souls by ceasing to claim to be Catholic.
 
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Well, I guess I am thankful that God and His Church is full of mercy. If when I was living a life of sin, not practicing my faith, if someone said
I really think the Church would be better off without
me, I don’t know if I could be back. Where I am not wanted, I do not impose myself.
 
They were Democrats when it was the party of “Rum, Romanism and rebellion.” They were Democrats when Al Smith ran for president, and later, when JFK ran for president. They are Democrats today because the values they were taught as Catholics are the values they can express as Democrats
The democratic party has changed. It has moved far away from any good morals. Catholics are moving out of the democratic party by the bus loads. We can no longer say that Catholics ARE democrats. They may not completely affiliate with the republican party either but the Church and the democratic party are miles away from each other.

Sadly there are those democratic politicians that are Catholic or say they are Catholic but they no longer represent the Catholic people. Just like Tim Kaine saying when he was running for president that he was fighting the very Church he belonged to or Nancy Pelosi saying she knows more than the bishops because she is a woman. ???
Their Catholicism is not about loving the neighbor they can see, the gay brother and sister or the ailing mother or son, but about abstractions they cannot see. They love the unborn child They cannot see, but do not see the woman carrying the child.
I find this rather insulting to the Catholic church and the very many priests, sisters, nuns and lay people (even poorly catechized lay people) that work very hard in many ministries such as hospitals, women’s health care clinics,, volunteer services, day cares, free health care clinics, soup kitchens, altar and rosary societies, Catholic Relief services, missionaries, apostolates, etc…

An unborn child may not be seen without a sonogram but I’m sure you would agree, we know that unborn child is still human and still there. The care shown for an unborn child and that shown for a gay person or a woman carrying the child is going to look different or be shown in different ways…
Catholic values?
When did Donald Trump become the person who speaks for Catholic values? When did he become Catholic?
And some should note that Trump was Pro-Choice all his adult life until he decided to run on the Republican ticket.
Even if he became pro-life yesterday, it would still be better than someone who is not pro-life.
 
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Just to be clear, my description is meant as a balance to the other caricature portrayals of Catholic politics. @upant is mostly correct for instance, just incomplete. The two caricatures need to be read together, and their differences assessed, to get anything like a picture of the Catholic Church in this country and its politics.
isnt ‘nones’ a term creared by Bishop Barron.
“nones” comes from the world of religious surveys done by Gallup, Pew, and others. It is a choice for self identifying listed with Catholic, Jew, Evangelical, none, etc.
 
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I agree we should correct and admonish with charity, I think what the poster was getting at though is that some of these people unapologetically promote this viewpoint as acceptable. They then say”I think this and I’M Catholic”. Thus isn’t really catholic. This leads others into thinking abortion, for example, is a matter of opinion. And Catholics who are faithful stand silent. I think it’s our duty in a way to correct the record (charitably ) on occasion.
 
I find this rather insulting to the Catholic church and the very many priests, sisters, nuns and lay people (even poorly catechized lay people) that work very hard in many ministries such as hospitals, women’s health care clinics, , volunteer services, day cares, free health care clinics, soup kitchens, altar and rosary societies, Catholic Relief services, missionaries, apostolates, etc…
If you can prove that all those people vote Republican exclusively, I will agree with you. As it is, your attempts to group these many ministers with Republicans is as insulting as my remarks. We all know of many people in all of those categories who are lifelong Democrats, including Biden, Pelosi et al., the people named by the OP. By your standard, the comments about them are insults as well.
 
If you can prove that all those people vote Republican exclusively, I will agree with you. As it is, your attempts to group these many ministers with Republicans is as insulting as my remarks. We all know of many people in all of those categories who are lifelong Democrats, including Biden, Pelosi et al., the people named by the OP. By your standard, the comments about them are insults as well.
So, my response to your comment wasn’t in reference to either political party but in response to the common complaint and frequent incorrect insinuation, (usually by non Catholics) that Catholics whether republican or democrat, care only about the unborn and not anyone else. I was not grouping anyone as anything.
 
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Catholics are not to be single-issue voters but, unfortunately, so many Catholics appear to have done just that, thus using the issue of abortion as a litmus test.
I agree. Thing is most Catholics realize that if you do not care for the least and the most innocent, how can one care about anyone else?
 
This leads others into thinking abortion, for example, is a matter of opinion.
Unless we are talking about people with intellectual disabilities, I have yet to meet a Catholic who thinks any politician or celebrity is an official spokesperson for the Catholic Faith. This claim is often bantered about, but, have you had anyone quote Mr Biden to you as their spiritual director?
 
So, because I do not vote Republican, I am somehow not ministering in my ministries?
 
Modernists, as defined by Pope St. Pius X, are the real danger to the Church.
 
And all we have to do is to look at the Republican Party today under Donald J.Trump and his nasty words and actions for confirmation of what you say above
you state the GOP and then blast trump. okay, you don’t like the man, tells us what you think of his actions protecting the faith. Hillary would not have done any of it. she would have pushed anti-catholic policies.

this is the issue, dangerous Catholics, Catholics politicians pushing laws contrary to church teaching. some claim they don’t hurt but just looking at the comments on this forum and I can see the damage they do. these politicians make it easy for people to justify voting against church teaching. all these politicians do is talk about how bad Trump is. what have Catholic democratic politicians done for the benefit of religious people?
Trump was Pro-Choice all his adult life
he isn’t pushing pro-choice policies, would you prefer he did? the democratic Catholics are pushing pro-choice, LGBTQ, transgenderism, etc. how is this better?
Pubs, especially since the latter have fallen off the turnip truck into utter depravity and sheer cowardice, thus refusing to stand up to Trump.
cowardice, how about realistic. when both sides are bad, you have to pick one and trump is better for the religious than any democrat.

those voting dem need to look at what they are voting for.
Well, I guess I am thankful that God and His Church is full of mercy. If when I was living a life of sin, not practicing my faith, if someone said
yet many show no mercy to trump but plenty of mercy to the Dems pushing anti-catholic teaching. I look at their actions, not their talk and the choice is clear.
isnt ‘nones’ a term creared by Bishop Barron.
“nones” comes from the world of religious surveys done by Gallup, Pew, and others. It is a choice for self identifying listed with Catholic, Jew, Evangelical, none, etc.
I have not heard bishop Barron on “nones”, I understand it more in line with what @dovekin wrote.
 
Both Pope Francis and the USCCB have clearly stated that we Catholics are not to be single-issue voters but, unfortunately, so many Catholics appear to have done just that, thus using the issue of abortion as a litmus test.
the US Bishops this year prioritized abortion as the most important issue. however, a vote for a democrat supports more than just abortion, don’t limit it.

by voting democrat, you support the entire LGBT agenda, euthanasia, embryonic
stem cell research, transgenderism, identity politics, the destruction of the family, contraception, socialism, breaking the seal of the confession, forced abortions in catholic hospitals, forcing the church to perform same-sex marriages, liberal judges, etc

again which of these are teachings of the church. it isn’t just a single issue anymore.
I’ll be blunt: if one believes in Trump they simply do not believe in Jesus because they are almost entirely at polar opposites in terms of their words and actions. IOW, we all should choose carefully whom we praise.
Do you think the Democrats’ anti-catholic teachings would be agreeable to Jesus?
Unless we are talking about people with intellectual disabilities, I have yet to meet a Catholic who thinks any politician or celebrity is an official spokesperson for the Catholic Faith.
so that makes their statements acceptable?
 
Good point. However scandal is a sin isn’t it? I view it as a mild but outspoken dissent, a challenge which could change a conversation to say “abortion is ok”. And it’s just not ok.
 
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yet many show no mercy to trump but plenty of mercy to the Dems pushing anti-catholic teaching.
How does this always come around to Mr Trump? If Mr Trump came to Mass tomorrow, or called our parish on Monday and asked to come in to speak to Father, do you think that we’d not be merciful?

Really, this is not about political parties.
 
anti-catholic policies.
Unjust war is an anti-Catholic policy.

Any direct abortion, including the rape/incest/health loophole is anti-Catholic policy.

The death penalty is anti-Catholic policy.

We could list party platforms in both major parties that are anti-Catholic. Neither of the big corporate parties are Catholic.

I know of one candidate who embraces a Catholic policy platform, and he is 3rd party.
 
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