Deacon Vestments In N.O.

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Just what do these deacons wear that gets them mistaken for laity that in term makes them feel the need to wear Roman collars?

Wear a black suit, a white shirt and a solid black tie. No one will ever confuse you for the laity. Most places in the USA they also won’t mistake your for a priest. They might actually figure-out that you’re a deacon!
 
Just what do these deacons wear that gets them mistaken for laity that in term makes them feel the need to wear Roman collars?

Wear a black suit, a white shirt and a solid black tie. No one will ever confuse you for the laity. Most places in the USA they also won’t mistake your for a priest. They might actually figure-out that you’re a deacon!
I’m sorry Spiller, I get your point, but I suddenly go this random image of a Mormon when you said black suit, whtie shirt and black tie or a rabbi.

Having grown up Jewish I saw many rabbis in black white when not at services.

I have to admit that they didn’t look like American priests.

On a more serious note, the Roman collar is more of an American and Vatican form of dress than any other part of the world.

I grew up in Europe and very few priests in Spain wore Roman collars. They’re not part of the culture. Before the civil war they wore cassocks or habits. After the civil war, which was very anticlerical, they wore black crew neck sweaters with either gray or black jackets.

After the Franco dictatorship was over, the custom had taken root and the black crewneck is still in place. The same happened in Germany, the Netherlands and some parts of Northern France. The clergy wears black suits, black ties and white shirts. Slowly, the Roman collar is making its way into the German church. I saw a picture of Ratzinger when he was professor at the university in a suit and tie. After he became pope I saw interviews of his brother, George, in a roman collar.

The garb does not seem to be as big a deal among other Catholics as it seems here.

When I was in the missions in South America I worked with Capuchin Franciscans. It was very hot, because we were in the Amazon region. The friars wore khaki clothes every where. The habit was only worn for liturgy, Divine Office and formal community functions. The collar was rarely worn, because of the heat.

However, the people knew the friars. They even knew which friar was a priest and which was a lay man, even though all friars wear the same habit and the same roman collar. Even when they called a lay-brother Father, he would say, I’m Brother John. Or when they called a friar priest Father, he would say, I’m Brother Peter.

There were no deacons, as the order does not allow permanent deacons. We did have transitional deacons with us who were doing their interships. They too wore the same garb, either the khaki or the habit. The Roman collar was reserved for when you went to some kind of business meeting where you needed to be identified as a religious.

After a while, people get to know who you are and the external dress is less important.

The only time you could tell the difference between priests, lay brothes and transitional deacons was at mass. Even there the priests and transitional deacons wore the same monastic alb, but with the obvious difference of the stole. Forget dalmatics, it was too hot and there are no dry cleaners in the Amazon or washing machines. Everything is hand washed. Everything must be very simple to keep clean. The chasuables were made of some light weight cloth that was washable by hand, not the fancy ones with all of the stuff that we have on ours.

We often forget that we live in a privileged culture with such things as dry cleaning, washing machines and clothes dryers. This is not the reality of the rest of the world, even in Europe it’s rare to see a clothes dryer.

We should focus on the ministry and keep the garb simple and dignified.

JR 🙂
 
Just what do these deacons wear that gets them mistaken for laity that in term makes them feel the need to wear Roman collars?

Wear a black suit, a white shirt and a solid black tie. No one will ever confuse you for the laity. Most places in the USA they also won’t mistake your for a priest. They might actually figure-out that you’re a deacon!
Oftentimes I wear a black suit, white shirt, and black tie. I am not a deacon. I am a layman. If I saw anyone else wearing that, I would assume he was a layman, not a deacon. At official, clerical, functions deacons should wear roman collars.
 
Oftentimes I wear a black suit, white shirt, and black tie. I am not a deacon. I am a layman. If I saw anyone else wearing that, I would assume he was a layman, not a deacon. At official, clerical, functions deacons should wear roman collars.
Canon law has already answered this. There is nothing to debate here. They are not to wear them, unless the bishop or the pastor deems it necessary. I’m summarizing. If you want to know the exact wording, go back a few posts. A canonist already posted the laws.

Why do we want to insist that the Church change it’s laws?

As I said above in my post, the wearing of a Roman collar is more American and English

The Church is neither Amerian or British. However, the Church allows the bishops and the pastors to make the call on this one. Let them do it. Let’s avoid conflicts with pastors and bishops in defence of deacons, because it will do more harm than good.

JR 🙂
 
In mine and other diocese that I am familiar with, we deacons wear a distinctive cross that pins to the collar of the shirt, or lapel of the coat. The cross is about 1 to 1 1/2 inches with a stole draped from left to right. We also weal name tags giving our names, “Catholic Deacon” and the parish and diocese we are affiliated with.
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Deacon Ed B
 
I’m sorry Spiller, I get your point, but I suddenly go this random image of a Mormon when you said black suit, whtie shirt and black tie or a rabbi.

Having grown up Jewish I saw many rabbis in black white when not at services.

I have to admit that they didn’t look like American priests.

On a more serious note, the Roman collar is more of an American and Vatican form of dress than any other part of the world.

I grew up in Europe and very few priests in Spain wore Roman collars. They’re not part of the culture. Before the civil war they wore cassocks or habits. After the civil war, which was very anticlerical, they wore black crew neck sweaters with either gray or black jackets.

After the Franco dictatorship was over, the custom had taken root and the black crewneck is still in place. The same happened in Germany, the Netherlands and some parts of Northern France. The clergy wears black suits, black ties and white shirts. Slowly, the Roman collar is making its way into the German church. I saw a picture of Ratzinger when he was professor at the university in a suit and tie. After he became pope I saw interviews of his brother, George, in a roman collar.

The garb does not seem to be as big a deal among other Catholics as it seems here.

When I was in the missions in South America I worked with Capuchin Franciscans. It was very hot, because we were in the Amazon region. The friars wore khaki clothes every where. The habit was only worn for liturgy, Divine Office and formal community functions. The collar was rarely worn, because of the heat.

However, the people knew the friars. They even knew which friar was a priest and which was a lay man, even though all friars wear the same habit and the same roman collar. Even when they called a lay-brother Father, he would say, I’m Brother John. Or when they called a friar priest Father, he would say, I’m Brother Peter.

There were no deacons, as the order does not allow permanent deacons. We did have transitional deacons with us who were doing their interships. They too wore the same garb, either the khaki or the habit. The Roman collar was reserved for when you went to some kind of business meeting where you needed to be identified as a religious.

After a while, people get to know who you are and the external dress is less important.

The only time you could tell the difference between priests, lay brothes and transitional deacons was at mass. Even there the priests and transitional deacons wore the same monastic alb, but with the obvious difference of the stole. Forget dalmatics, it was too hot and there are no dry cleaners in the Amazon or washing machines. Everything is hand washed. Everything must be very simple to keep clean. The chasuables were made of some light weight cloth that was washable by hand, not the fancy ones with all of the stuff that we have on ours.

We often forget that we live in a privileged culture with such things as dry cleaning, washing machines and clothes dryers. This is not the reality of the rest of the world, even in Europe it’s rare to see a clothes dryer.

We should focus on the ministry and keep the garb simple and dignified.

JR 🙂
You’re right – some sects of Judaism employ black suits and ties – but not many. I have never seen a Mormon dressed in that manner – ever.
 
Excuse me, the last rights are not viatecum. It is the Sacrament of the sick/healing/ last rights. This is given to the dying because the sacrament, among other things gives forgiveness of sin. Viatecum is Holy Communion, given to the dying and is a separate sacrament itself. Viatecum comes from the Latin, meaning to take with you. What better way into eternity than our Lord within you.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
Please recheck that- a person can recover after annointing. Part of annointing is that the person might recover.Your last Holy Communion or Viaticum is the last Rite.Cathechism of The Catholic Church-#1524 Viaticum, The Last Sacrament of the Christian. Many are confused about this. A person may go to daily Mass and Holy Communion and die suddenly without Annointing of the Sick. His last Communion is his last Rite.
 
Prior to Vatican II the term “Last Rites” referred primarily to what is now called the “Anointing of the Sick.” Today it refers to the anointing, confession and communion which take place near the time of death. Viaticum (note the correct spelling) is the last communion a dying person receives. The Church eliminated the term “Last Rites” in reference to the anointing of the sick because She wanted to return to the Scriptural practice mentioned in James 5:13-15 where the practice of anointing anyone who is sick is mentioned.

Deacon Ed
 
I have checked out the CCC Number that you gave me, and you are correct. The ironic part is that I have it highlighted in yellow, but just failed to remember it. Thanks
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
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