Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

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I was his ‘handler’ he put papers in designated places where I would pick them up and send them off to the agency he worked for.
LOL! I was an “agent handler” when I was in the Air Force in HUMINT. I ran agents into Laos and Cambodia during the 'Nam War.

Those “designated places” were called “dead drops.” and there were elaborate protocols about how to find them and how to use them. Clandestine intelligence operations were serious business, but they were very interesting, too.
 
LOL! I was an “agent handler” when I was in the Air Force in HUMINT. I ran agents into Laos and Cambodia during the 'Nam War.

Those “designated places” were called “dead drops.” and there were elaborate protocols about how to find them and how to use them. Clandestine intelligence operations were serious business, but they were very interesting, too.
Dead drops - i knew they had a name.
I was told how to make sure nobody was following me. I was a computer science major - not cut out for that malarki. I never knew how long the stuff was there, I just had times to go pick the stuff up. He lived among them for at least a year. Half of the local PD was in this group - hence my absolute hatred for local level cops. This town was maybe half a hour outside of Philadelphia - Imagine what its like in the Deep South.
My instructions were to give it to another journalist who worked for an independent group, and mail the packets anonymously to a State trooper - a specific one. That was my first and last venture into the cloak & dagger world.
Nothing was ever done to the police officers, as far as I know they are still part of the department.
Land of the free…
 
False idol worship violates one of the commandments, just FYI…
So you equate my support for a people who have been oppressed continually throughout history with Idol Worship?

Where does genocide fall on your list of commandments?
…If you believe Jews are “chosen” you are by definition not a Catholic. Evangelical seems to fit you quite nicely.
Gee, I could have sworn that God chose Israel in the Old Testament. Call me crazy I guess.

But either way, that tiny nation surrounded by mortal enemies has a right to protect itself. If the Muslims don’t like that, then they ought to quit trying to destroy Israel. And Catholics should be on the side of the oppressed, not on the side of the terrorists.
 
There’s hardly a topic to be discussed, but that someone or other, liberal or conservative, is willing to play the Hitler card…
The Muslims play the Hitler card every time they call for the annihalation of Israel. And if you support those Muslims, well… …there it is.
 
So you equate my support for a people who have been oppressed continually throughout history with Idol Worship?

Where does genocide fall on your list of commandments?
The Holocaust was 70 years ago - get over it.
There are countless other genocides nobody cares about. Most make the Jewish one look like tiny.
Gee, I could have sworn that God chose Israel in the Old Testament. Call me crazy I guess.
I wouldn’t say you’re completely crazy… There may be some hope for you.
As a catholic you’re not supposed to take any of that literally. If you believe what you read int he Old testament than you have to believe a woman shouldn’t be approached when she’s having her period.
Verse 19-24
But either way, that tiny nation surrounded by mortal enemies has a right to protect itself. If the Muslims don’t like that, then they ought to quit trying to destroy Israel. And Catholics should be on the side of the oppressed, not on the side of the terrorists.
It has a right to protect itself without resorting to its own genocide. I would expect a people who were supposedly so oppressed to be a bit more careful not to inflict the same treatment on others.
Sometimes I expect too much of people.
Muslims don’t like watching other Muslims get slaughtered. If I start seeing Italians getting killed I’m going to do something about it.
Of course I’m lucky - because everyone wants to be Italian.
 
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*So you equate my support for a people who have been oppressed continually throughout history with Idol Worship?
Where does genocide fall on your list of commandments?*
The Holocaust was 70 years ago - get over it…
And you think the WWII holocaust was the only time the Jews were oppressed? How about their Roman conquerors? How about the Pharoes of Egypt? How about even many “Catholic” countires during the Middle ages? And even in Palestine AFTER WWII the Brittish had their boots on the necks of the Jews.

Get over it? What an offensive thing to say.
 
I have three Catechisms. And we don’t believe in Allah.

And the term “thrice-holy” comes from a letter written by Pope Paul VI. If you don’t believe God is Holy, that’s your problem.

Frankly, we don’t need anti-Semitic Catholics in our Church. People like you only give fuel to our critics who call the Catholic Church anti-Semitic. Your POV is offensive to the sensibilities of thoughtful Catholics. Go spread your anti-Jewish hate somewhere else.
The word Allah is simply Arabic for God. Muslims use this term only because their holy book is written in Arabic. It was used by Arabic-speaking Christians before Islam even existed. Indeed, these Arabic-speaking Christians have suffered just as much under Israeli tyranny as their Muslim brothers and sisters have. While in the West Bank earlier this year I spoke to a Greek Catholic Melkite priest who told of the Israeli soldiers who had been outside his Church in the early morning of that very day, preventing him from opening up for morning Mass. He also discussed his struggles while passing through IDF checkpoints to try and visit outlying members of his parish, or the Greek Catholic Patriarchate in Jerusalem.

Opposition to the Zionist ideology is not anti-Semitism. If it is anti-Semitism, why were there several Jews, including a Holocaust survivor, onboard the convoy? Why do organisations such as ‘Scottish Jews for a Just Peace’ in my country, or the ‘International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network’ internationally, exist? I possess a great respect for the Jewish people, and I actually wrote a fair bit about the Jewish faith back in my student days. What I do not support is the use of that faith, or the many trials the Jewish people have endured, up to and including the Shoah, to justify the crimes of the Israeli state in the present day - many Jews agree with me, and support the international BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) movement.
 
You weren’t talking about one person, but you seem quite happy to use ‘Left’ as a dirty word to discredit genuine supporters of the Palestinian cause.

I’m not a Leftist, I have never voted for a Socialist party, yet I firmly support the rights of the Palestinian people and oppose the disproportionate actions of the Israeli state.
So-called Palestineans sided with Germany in WW1 and WW2.

Acceptance by leftists of revenge by the Romans against Israel.

Philistines. Red-haired Aegean sailors.

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So-called Palestineans sided with Germany in WW1 and WW2.
They are not “so-called.” That is what they are called by all, including the Israelis. As far as siding with Germany - that’s irrelevant. The Irish sympathized with the Germans in World War I, too.

The Spanish sided with Germany in WWII, Hungary, Romania and Catholic Croatia were its formal allies, too. So what?
 
So-called Palestineans sided with Germany in WW1 and WW2.

Acceptance by leftists of revenge by the Romans against Israel.

Philistines. Red-haired Aegean sailors.

97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=1049
What limited Palestinian support for Germany actually existed was more of a reaction to the British occupation of their country rather than of genuine sympathy with the Nazis. A similar phenomenon occurred in India where the pro-Independence movement reacted favourably to Japanese. Mohammed Husayni, the so-called ‘Hitler’s mufti’ was not actually present in Palestine after 1941, and never regained his position after the War - dying alone in Beirut in the 1970s.
 
So-called Palestineans sided with Germany in WW1 and WW2.
Lets also not forget that even some Jews sided with Nazi Germany in WW2. Jewish terrorist groups such as Lehi even went so far as to formally propose an alliance with the Nazis in which they would conduct sabotage and espionage against the Allies (which they did) and assist in the expulsion of Jews from Europe in exchange for the removal of Britain from Palestine and the formation of a Jewish State in it’s place. Oddly enough, Israel even has a service ribbon to honor Lehi members.
 
So-called Palestineans sided with Germany in WW1
hmmm… that might be an oversimplification. At the start of WWI, Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire, which was allied with Germany. Britain, moving from Egypt, was eventually able to gain control in late 1917/1918, but it was aided in part by the Arab Revolt which had been fomented by Britain (Remember Lawrence of Arabia?)

I think Palestinians may have had divided loyalties at that point.

But certainly by WW II, many Palestinians were anti-British, and thus pro-Germany.
 
The total lack of context makes this video useless for anything except propaganda purposes; said propaganda to be spread to America via Israel-sympathetic media.

A more proper context would be Israeli soldiers firing at the ship for at least 2 minutes prior to boarding, as has been alleged. The expectation of violent death might make even the most committed peace activist resort to grabbing anything at hand to repel the assault.
 
and that is the only thing you people can fall back on.
the Neo Nazi’s want the death of every Jew- which I don’t want. Try and do a little reading, and get your news from a channel other than Fox/Sky for once.
Don’t watch Fox/Sky.

and I have read you enough to note that your positons are exactly the same as the leftist positon in general. You blame Israel on every front, and support positions which will in effect lead to the death of every Jew.
 
and I have read you enough to note that your positons are exactly the same as the leftist positon in general.
What is wrong with that? Are posters only to hold positions exactly the same as that of the rightists?
You blame Israel on every front, and support positions which will in effect lead to the death of every Jew.
Israel is not spotless, and can be blamed where blame is justified. Too many think that it is beyond any sort of reproach.

“Lead to the death of every Jew”? Somewhat over the top, I think.
 
What is wrong with that? Are posters only to hold positions exactly the same as that of the rightists?

Israel is not spotless, and can be blamed where blame is justified. Too many think that it is beyond any sort of reproach.

“Lead to the death of every Jew”? Somewhat over the top, I think.
Maybe not so terribly over the top.

From the Hamas Charter:

"'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

me, come and kill him.’ (Article 7)"

Many, many years ago, this country, under the leadership of John F. Kennedy, risked nuclear war enforcing a weapons blockade of Cuba. We are informed that it was a very near thing. No one then or now accuses the U.S. of “Somali-style piracy” for that action. and what was it about? The threat of weapons being brought to Cuba; weapons with the potential of causing staggering loss of life in this country.

Nobody could credibly deny that Hamas employs weapons against Israeli civilians. Some make the argument that Israel should simply put up with that; as expiation, one supposes, for its “sin” in wanting to exist. Nobody could credibly deny that Hamas obtains weaponry from outside.
 
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