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Rich_Olszewski
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Pure flatulence and bragaddocio. They can posture all they want, but the notion that they can kill every Jew is preposterous.
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Ridgerunner
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Bragadocio it may be, but it might not seem so preposterous to an Israeli civilian whose next door neighbor fires rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas and whose very “constitution” calls for the death of every Jew.
Does anyone seriously think a group like Hamas is to be thought of as anything but a genocidal gang just because it can’t reliably ensure the death of every Jew in, say, Little Rock? Can it be possible that one would seriously think Israelis have no legitimate interest in inspecting the cargo that goes to such a group? I, for one, would not think so. But I do recognize that some have, for whatever reason, felt it reasonable to favor the cause of genocidal murderers against that of the only democracy in the Middle East.
If anyone wanted to make an argument for the moral decrepitude of the West, one could not find a better case in point with which to buttress it.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Support Israel if you will, and label others as you will, but that other people and other nations refuse to support Israel uncritically is not in any way an indication of “the moral decrepitude of the West.”
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MugenOne
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Is the Mossad blood thirsty? Why would someone feel like he or she is going to die by meeting with them?
From what I have heard from my former partner in Saudi Arabia, the reasons the Liberty was sunk were because the U.S. was alleged of spying on the Israelis and supplying information to the Arabs. They felt like the U.S. was jeopardizing their mission. So, they had to take action and sunk the Liberty. Then, claimed it as an accident. Was my partner correct?
From what I have heard from my former partner in Saudi Arabia, the reasons the Liberty was sunk were because the U.S. was alleged of spying on the Israelis and supplying information to the Arabs. They felt like the U.S. was jeopardizing their mission. So, they had to take action and sunk the Liberty. Then, claimed it as an accident. Was my partner correct?
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TechieJustin
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Your partner is wrong.
The “accepted” story is that it was a case of mistaken identity in the part of the israeli’s.
John McCain’s father was in charge of that cleanup - just FYI.
However most experts believe it was a false flag attack to bring the US into the conflict.
The Israeli’s botched it because they made two critical mistakes, they left survivors and flew low enough that people on the deck could see the country markings on the attacking planes.
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trdchubi
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Here is the footage of the IDF offering to dock the flotilla ship at Ashdod and propose to transfer its supplies. However that ship Marmara responded ‘Negative, negative, our destination is Gaza’.
If they just heed the call and cooperated with the IDF, this unfortunate incident would not have happened. This is a just reason to sound the alert. Everybody knows Israel will not take a security breach lightly. They definitely showed they are not weak.
The ’peace activists’ got what they wanted, bad publicity for Israel.
This reminded me how US Naval Warships blocked Soviet supply ships during the Cuba Missile crisis. The difference was the Soviets were smart enough to heed the warnings and turned back, preventing a showdown between the two Super Powers.
How can this be any different from a country like Israel who is initiating a proactive approach against her enemies, who by the way, are to near for comfort. (Anyone should think twice when a flotilla is funded by a radical islamist organization).
Well, the Kennedy administration did not just seat there and wait. They did whatever it takes to protect the sovereignty of the country from her enemies who undermine it and safe guard her citizen from a potential catastrophe.
Israel is just doing the same. These are acts of patriotism; they are just acting for the love of their country. Why shouldn’t they, they have a long history of being rejects.
If they just heed the call and cooperated with the IDF, this unfortunate incident would not have happened. This is a just reason to sound the alert. Everybody knows Israel will not take a security breach lightly. They definitely showed they are not weak.
The ’peace activists’ got what they wanted, bad publicity for Israel.
This reminded me how US Naval Warships blocked Soviet supply ships during the Cuba Missile crisis. The difference was the Soviets were smart enough to heed the warnings and turned back, preventing a showdown between the two Super Powers.
How can this be any different from a country like Israel who is initiating a proactive approach against her enemies, who by the way, are to near for comfort. (Anyone should think twice when a flotilla is funded by a radical islamist organization).
Well, the Kennedy administration did not just seat there and wait. They did whatever it takes to protect the sovereignty of the country from her enemies who undermine it and safe guard her citizen from a potential catastrophe.
Israel is just doing the same. These are acts of patriotism; they are just acting for the love of their country. Why shouldn’t they, they have a long history of being rejects.
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CathFaith1
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The Israeli military has shown they are lacking good decisions and lacking skills of late. This was both a bad decision and poorly executed.
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jman507
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For the most part if you back any country into a corner, it will get to a point where it doesn’t care. It is going to do whatever it needs to do in order to protect itself. If trying to cut off aid and support to a country was going to pacify it, it would have worked with the Palestinians.
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trdchubi
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Who is practicing idol worship? Surely the God I serve, keeps his words or do you have doubts?
Yeah and tell that to St. Paul, then Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI. Never realize they were evangelicals.
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Rich_Olszewski
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A nation as powerful as Israel can hardly be backed into a corner, least of all by a rag-tag flotilla. It was not as though a pair of Egyptian missile boats were going to rocket an Israeli naval base. The kindest word I can say is overreaction.
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gnjsdad
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I know. The whole world would be better off if it just did what Israel wants all the time.
What they wanted was to deliver badly needed supplies to Gaza. They didn’t get that.
You’re comparing the illegal boarding of an unarmed ship full of civilians with a Soviet naval convoy bringing atomic weapons and military personnel to Cuba. I think it’s safe to say the comparison is ahistorical.
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Ridgerunner
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I’m not saying anyone should take anything uncritically. But it is difficult to characterize taking the side of those with genocidal intent and murderous propensities any other way. Hamas fires rockets into civilian areas in Israel or sends suicide bombers to blow up a busload of teenagers in Israel, and the West just ignores it. Worse, it excuses it. If Israel retaliates, the Western media and the left generally, goes wild with indignation.
No, “moral decrepitude” fits like a glove.
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Ridgerunner
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“Illegal” “unarmed” “full of civilians”. Unwarranted assumptions all, at this point.
The comparison is apt, with one exception. The difference is that Israel’s action did not threaten an atomic war, as did the U.S’ actions in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
What an ironic situation! “Blame Israel First” seems to be a subset of “Blame America First” among the dictators of the world and the left which fawns on them. Che, it seems, does still live in the hearts and minds of some.
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Rich_Olszewski
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The Liberty wasn’t sunk.
It is correct that the U.S. was “spying” on the Israelis and the Egyptians - gaining signal intelligence. The Liberty was an intelligence collection ship, part of the Naval Security Group, under the direction of the National Security Agency (NSA). The U.S. doesn’t share that kind of information with belligerents. In addition to monitoring their voice communications, we were listening to their signal traffic as we had broken the ciphers of both nations.
Obviously, the Israelis thought that we were jeopardizing their mission and wanted to teach us a lesson.
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Dale_M
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I don’t think the Catholic Church teaches that. Christ and his establishment of the Church didn’t invalidate the Jewish relationship with God.
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm
The Catechism supports both “God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God.”
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Rich_Olszewski
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Why of course. Just ask AIPAC.
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trdchubi
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Yes Overreaction it is. What do you get from Zealous Defenders, timidity?
Remember the rest of the world was and is still too harsh on them, overly critical for that matter.
But here is one thing I know, they will take it to heart to defend that land they call “their place on earth”.
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jman507
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Oh I don’t mind calling it an over reaction in the least. I’m sure they knew what they were planning to do on the boat. The issue isn’t one that is isolated to just some aid flotilla, it is smuggling in general. Right now, Israel is getting closer and closer to the point where it doesn’t care. Eventually there will come a point where psychologically Israel is going to care more about the marginal benefit of it’s perceived security, than the marginal benefit of it’s public relations. The more Israel is going to feel it is under siege, the more it’ll not care about the Palestinians. The less the Palestinians will care.
Right now, we can all assign blame and the such, but that probably only makes matters worse, since it gives whoever wants to act badly justification for doing so in the name of the transgressions of the other. If you look at it this way, the thermostat is just getting hotter and hotter. At a certain point, that is likely going to end with nuclear bombs getting tossed about the Middle East. I would say at least in Korea, we all ready know as soon as the trip wire gets crossed S. Korea and Japan it’ll rain artillery. In the Middle East unfortunately there is too much blood lust with less to lose.
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grampben
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Wowwwww mate you are wrong.
Franco was neutral in WW2 - something which angered Hitler who had helped him out in the Civil war!
Also the ‘Irish’ didn’t ‘sympathize with the Germans in World War 1’. Terrorist scumbags bought arms of the Germans and certainly hoped for German victory in WW1. But the vast, vast majority of Irish Volunteers fought for the UK in WW1. Sinn Fein and what would become the IRA were certainly pro-Germany but they were not the government and most certainly the ideas were not popular with the ‘Irish’. I will say, however, that De Valera was an evil man for seeing Hitler and the UK as being equals.
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EmperorNapoleon
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None of the cargo on that vessel would have been transfered to Gaza if it had willingly docked at Ashdod. Things like clothing, shoes, fresh meat and produce, cement, and paper are classified as “luxury items” for the Palestinians by Israel and the Palestinians are prohibited from importing it.
The IHH Humanitarian Relief Foundation is not a radical islamist organization.
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