Debate standings

[Sy_Noe]

Chris Christie, John Kasich and Rick Perry are fighting for the last two spots on the debate stage — and after a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll Sunday morning, Perry is still most in danger of failing to qualify.
The three candidates are all at 3 percent in the new poll. But according to a Campaign Pro analysis of the five most recent live-caller surveys, Christie and Kasich are tied for ninth place, at 3.2 percent. Perry is outside of the top 10, in 11th place, at 2.6 percent.

Do any of the polls FOX News is using to determine the lineup have margins of error? If so, how do they really know who is 9, 10, 11?

 

[nitesnake]

I wouldn’t have considered voting for Trump until Cardinal Dolan’s childish editorial attacking Trump was published in the NY Times last week.

Your Eminence, with all respect, quit abusing your authority in the church to advance your own left wing political agenda.

 

[Path_Finder]

Sometimes, I wonder if the Cardinals do the bidding of Pope’s Francis’ words.

Cardinal O’Malley did come out against Planned Parenthood and even referenced earlier, that this body parts scandal exemplified Pope Francis’ words on a “throwaway culture”. As for what Cardinal Dolan said, I don’t know. I do think it is a rouge that has been said before and I do disagree with what Cardinal Dolan wrote.

 

[mary_bobo]

I say that definitely because the candidates who aren’t on the stage for this first debate are essentially fringe candidates. With an unprecedented number of candidates running, these minor candidates have almost no chance of gaining any traction.

There are currently three candidates who have a decent chance of winning the nomination: Bush, Walker, and Rubio. They have their deficiencies, but all of the other candidates have greater deficiencies. Trump has likely reached his ceiling of appeal and will soon trend downward. Cruz is intelligent, but he is disliked by almost all of his fellow GOP senators, so he won’t have the support of the GOP leadership apparatus. Rand Paul is a phony libertarian. Ben Carson has never held elective office. Huckabee has a serious case of “foot in mouth” disease. Christie likely missed his window which was in 2012. Rick Perry proved last time that he wasn’t very quick on his feet. Kasich has a good story but he has a bland personality. And Santorum, Fiorina, Jindal, and the others will not garner much support outside of their immediate family.

With the candidates campaigning almost non-stop, I don’t share your belief that we have an uninformed electorate. I think most people know what they believe, and the type of candidate they are willing to vote for. With a few possible exceptions, these hucksters don’t fit the bill.

With there being two debates on Thursday, no candidate will be without a platform and those in the secondary debate will not have to put up with Trump. And I still maintain that we have an uninformed electorate. Ask the man on the street a few questions about the candidate he/she indicates impresses them and you most often will not get substantive answers. I agree that the opportunity to see and hear the candidates is there, but IMO the majority of our voters are watching “fluff” TV and don’t really care what the candidates say. Some will vote for the party no matter who they run and others will vote for reasons that have nothing to do with the competence of the person running. As you can see, I do not have confidence in the electorate as you seem to have. It is time to vote on competence and not on “clever” sound bites and a what comes across as a good personality.
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[RACJ]

“IMO we do not have an informed electorate for the most part.” That is the understatement of the century! I also like what I’ve heard about John Kasich. Both he and Jeb Bush are two of the “adults” on the Republican side.

By “adults”, do you mean those who have a willingness to agree with Democrats as much as possible? Boehner and McConnell have not accomplished anything of what they promised their constituents. But they have a great working relationship with the guy transforming (read: destroying) America, Barack Obama.
If NOW is not the time to fight back, when might be that time?

 

[meltzerboy]

By “adults”, do you mean those who have a willingness to agree with Democrats as much as possible? Boehner and McConnell have not accomplished anything of what they promised their constituents. But they have a great working relationship with the guy transforming (read: destroying) America, Barack Obama.
If NOW is not the time to fight back, when might be that time?

By adult, I mean a candidate with substantive governing experience and whose views are somewhat less extreme than the views of others in their own party. And yes, also those who are willing and able to compromise with the other major political party, because, while it may be noble in politics to stand by one’s own principles, it is also practical to be skilled at the art of compromise and making small gains incrementally. That is the adult way of acting in politics, that is, by building bridges and consensus making across the aisle rather than creating divisions. John Kasich seems to be particularly good at working with Democrats for the benefit of most people in his home state.

Since when do Boehner and McConnell have such a “great working relationship” with Obama?

 

[Path_Finder]

But does Kasich throw enough red meat to the Republican base? And he did expand Medicaid under Obamacare. That’s not popular with the Republican base from what I can tell. He has passed up chances to criticize Hillary and he revealed Hillary even came to his engagement party. But I agree with what Meltzerboy said about Kasich and Bush being the adults among the Republican candidates. And I do think if the GOP nomination goes the route it has taken in previous yrs, that Bush or Kasich still have a chance. I actually think they would be a couple of Republicans with a better chance in the general. But then I don’t subscribe to the theory that just because McCain and Romney lost to Obama, it means America would elect someone even more extreme and appealing to the “further right”.

Red Meat? Wow, just wow. Marginalizing language again.

And Bush? Yes, that is who Biden would beat or whomever the candidate will be for the DNC.

 

[Sy_Noe]

With there being two debates on Thursday, no candidate will be without a platform and those in the secondary debate will not have to put up with Trump. And I still maintain that we have an uninformed electorate. Ask the man on the street a few questions about the candidate he/she indicates impresses them and you most often will not get substantive answers. I agree that the opportunity to see and hear the candidates is there, but IMO the majority of our voters are watching “fluff” TV and don’t really care what the candidates say. Some will vote for the party no matter who they run and others will vote for reasons that have nothing to do with the competence of the person running. As you can see, I do not have confidence in the electorate as you seem to have. It is time to vote on competence and not on “clever” sound bites and a what comes across as a good personality.
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Are both debates on TH in prime time? I thought one was much earlier when people may be paying attention even less. Isn’t that why some of the candidates aren’t happy they won’t make the main event? I think Carly Fiorina made reference to that at the NH event Mon night. I thought I caught a clip of her praising the NH forum’s organizers for getting more of them in. And a former IRS commisioner has even filed a federal complaint.

usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/08/02/everson-fox-debate-complaint/31022507/

Some of the electorate may be less informed than others. And many probably aren’t even paying attention yet to an election for who those outside Iowa and NH, can seem far out yet for them. It’s such a long season. Look at the attention the 2016 election is already getting on CAF and it’s still summer 2015 with 15 mos yet before the next general election for President. College football and the NFL they see coming sooner. Even Christmas and the holidays come before they will vote.

But I also think who even the most informed end up deciding is more competent, can and does differ.

 

[Path_Finder]

The loss of world leadership, the immorality the current DNC stands for like their special interest of Planned Parenthood really needs to be voted out.

No wonder, the country is flooded with illegals, the DNC needs to replace their voting rolls because Americans don’t go with their agenda.

I hope at a minimum, a Walker, a Cruz is on the ticket, people like Trump because of his straight talk.

 

[Sy_Noe]

The loss of world leadership, the immorality the current DNC stands for like their special interest of Planned Parenthood really needs to be voted out.

No wonder, the country is flooded with illegals, the DNC needs to replace their voting rolls because Americans don’t go with their agenda.

I hope at a minimum, a Walker, a Cruz is on the ticket, people like Trump because of his straight talk.

For a different reason I am sure, but I hope too a Cruz or Trump is on the ticket. Especially at the top of the ticket. I’d actually probably rather see a Walker too than say a Kasich or Bush.

 

[ProVobis]

I wouldn’t vote for any of them.

I think anyone who actually wants the job is either certifiably crazy and should be locked in a mental institution, or is just a criminal in a nice suit and should be in jail.

Besides, I don’t think any of them are eligible. Don’t you have to be 35+? They way they act, I’m pretty sure the oldest is only 3.

They should show their birth certificates.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Red Meat? Wow, just wow. Marginalizing language again.

And Bush? Yes, that is who Biden would beat or whomever the candidate will be for the DNC.

No more marginalizing than just as a for instance people calling someone a baby murderer just because they might not see abortion in every case as black and white as they do.

 

[Path_Finder]

Donald Trump: I would shut down government over Planned Parenthood

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Monday he believes Republicans should shut down the government rather than fund Planned Parenthood, the health services group that is facing scrutiny after undercover videos of its officials emerged.

Trump said Monday on conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt’s show that the videos, which feature Planned Parenthood officials apparently discussing the sale of fetal tissue and organs for medical research, are “disgraceful.”

At the time of the interview, Trump said he was unclear where the Senate stood on an upcoming vote Monday to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding.

wptv.com/news/political/donald-trump-i-would-shut-down-government-over-planned-parenthood

Saying the right things again, he is right here.

 

[JonNC]

Trump, should he run 3rd party, might well take more votes from the Republican nominee in 2016. But Perot was certainly not why Bill Clinton was elected POTUS. That’s a myth usually coming from conservatives who want to pretend Clinton’s election was a fluke. Exit polling showed otherwise. Perot took votes from both of the major party candidates. And minus Perot, Clinton would still have won and with a very healthy 349-189 Electoral College landslide.

salon.com/2011/04/04/third_party_myth_easterbrook/

salon.com/2010/04/02/dan_quayle_still_blaming_perot_for_clinton/

And there are those who disagree with Easterbrook.

race42016.com/2011/04/20/did-ross-perot-elect-bill-clinton/

Jon

 

[Cider]

It’s easier to say who I wouldn’t vote for. No Trump, No Bush, No Carson, No Huckabee, no Paul, No Perry, No Christie. I have no idea who Kasich is. I’ll be listening to what I hear from the rest on the list.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I find it interesting that as of this moment Donald Trump holds the lead in this CAF poll and nationwide among Republicans. He runs around wearing his "Make America great " cap. I can only imagine if Obama wore such a cap, conservatives would be outraged claiming Obama doesn’t think America is great.

 

[meltzerboy]

I find it interesting that as of this moment Donald Trump holds the lead in this CAF poll and nationwide among Republicans. He runs around wearing his "Make America great " cap. I can only imagine if Obama wore such a cap, conservatives would be outraged claiming Obama doesn’t think America is great.

It’s a catchy slogan, which, as you say, would have been interpreted negatively by conservatives if Obama had worn it, even when he was first campaigning in 2008. Even better would be “Make America great again.” Perhaps I’ll contact Trump to find out what he thinks about the change.

 

[RACJ]

I find it interesting that as of this moment Donald Trump holds the lead in this CAF poll and nationwide among Republicans. He runs around wearing his "Make America great " cap. I can only imagine if Obama wore such a cap, conservatives would be outraged claiming Obama doesn’t think America is great.

Well Sy, no one who thinks that America is great would have mounted a relentless campaign to “trasform” (Obama’s word) America. Anyone who befriends Bill Ayers and listens to Jeremiah Wright “sermons” for 20 years despises America as it exists. THAT is why we would ridicule Barack Obama for wearing such a hat. Rob

 

[JonNC]

Well Sy, no one who thinks that America is great would have mounted a relentless campaign to “trasform” (Obama’s word) America. Anyone who befriends Bill Ayers and listens to Jeremiah Wright “sermons” for 20 years despises America as it exists. THAT is why we would ridicule Barack Obama for wearing such a hat. Rob

I am in my early 60’s, and have listened to the American left tell us that we live too well, compared to others in the world, that we unfairly use too many resources for our population, that our standard of living is much too high compared to the rest of the world.

If I were to set out to lower the American standard of living, I would do three things:

1. increase the public debt to levels that will take decades for the American taxpayer to pay back.
2. undermine the nation’s system of affordable, available energy which for the foreseeable future will be fossil fuels.
3. burden the private sector and individuals with ever growing regulations and costs, particularly in, but not limited to, the healthcare field.

There’s the transformation President Obama sought and has successfully accomplished.

Jon

 

[gilliam]

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