Decline in Conversions/Seminarians

[Deacon_Ed_B]

You just did. Pretty slick, Deacon.

Are you including yourself?

No. These are seminarians studying for the priesthood. I am a permanent married deacon. Married for 43 years, 5 children and 13 grandchildren. I am most happy and content with my station in life.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

FYI,

I am a traditional Catholic who attends the Latin Mass

By traditional, do you mean in full union with Rome, or do you mean a follower of Bp. Lefebvre.

I have been studying my faith and history for many months.

Maybe after doing it for many years, you may earn some credibility. By that time you will learn how to put it all together.

Many other Catholics have written a great deal about the topic of Vatican II and the current crisis:… Bishop Lefebvre.

Last I heard, he was the one excommunicated by Pope John Paul II for disobedience in ordaining bishops not approved by the Vatican. Is this the pope want to be?. Starting his own church… His main fault was disobedience. And he is the one that started that “break away group”. I most certainly would not follow him as an example of how to be a good Catholic.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[saint_rafael]

Deacon Ed,
I attend the Latin Mass provided by a parish in my diocese.
I’ve learned more about the Catholic faith in the last couple of months than I did in six years of so called “Catholic” education which was really nonsense infected with the religion of Vatican II.

If more Catholics studied the Church Fathers, Coucil of Trent, Vatican I and the doctrines of the Church of the first 1900 years, there wouldn’t be such confusion.

However, Catholics only study the novelties and errors of the last fifty years. Most Catholics have no clue about the Catholic Church before Vatican II or the infallible doctrines.

 

[saint_rafael]

Last I heard, he was the one excommunicated by Pope John Paul II for disobedience in ordaining bishops not approved by the Vatican. Is this the pope want to be?. Starting his own church… His main fault was disobedience. And he is the one that started that “break away group”. I most certainly would not follow him as an example of how to be a good Catholic.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B

I am not a member of the SSPX but I support them. Archbishop Lafebvre and the SSPX are faithful Catholics. They accept and believe that Pope Benedict is a valid Pope and therefore are not schismatic.

The excomunications affect only those four bishops and were unjust. Bishop Lefebvere according to canon Law did the consecrations out of a “state of emergency”. The Vatican never gave him a canonical trial for him to defend himself.

The SSPX were right about the Latin Mass. Lefevre will one day be a saint. He is the St. Athanasius of the twentieth century. Like Athanasuis fought Arianism, Lefebvre fought modernism.

Cardinal Hoyos has said seven times in the last year, during interviews, that SSPX are not in any formal schism. Cardinal Hoyos speaks for Pope Benedict. He says that SSPX is an “in-Church” fight that needs to be resolved canonically.

Pope Benedict has said he will not hear of the word schism being used with the SSPX in his presence. He even called Archbishop Lefebvre “Venerable”. Pope Benedict during his pontificate will lift the ex-communications because he knows they were unjust.

Tell me how faithful Catholics like Lefebvre can be excommunicated for disobedience while heretics run free in the Church?

It is a sign of total sickness in the Church that Lefebvre was excommunicated, but that apostate Hans Kung is still in good standing, even though his heresies are worse than Luther. Kung denies the physical resurrection and the real presence in the Eucharist. Lefebvre denied no doctrine!

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

You keep saying, and or not saying just enough to keep me questioning. I note you made no comment about Pope John Paul II being a valid pope, only Benedict XVI. What about John XXIII and Paul VI, also.

I do know all of the followers in SSPX believe their church is a valid parish within each diocese where they are located. As for myself, I follow only ROME. If you are a loyal Catholic as you say, you certainly down the Church and its duly chosen and elected leaders. I sense sincerity, but am overwhelmed by what I call disdain, and at times hate. This is all contradictory. I for one feel Bp. Lefevbre. was wrong in his actions. At no time did I ever condemn him. I prayed for him, and still do, as well as his followers.

I too want to see unity back within the Church, but such vitriol as I have seen you put on these posts, will not be what leads to that reunification. The only way I can describe it is “Cool Down” That attitude is not the answer. Prayer is.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[saint_rafael]

You keep saying, and or not saying just enough to keep me questioning. I note you made no comment about Pope John Paul II being a valid pope, only Benedict XVI. What about John XXIII and Paul VI, also.

I too want to see unity back within the Church, but such vitriol as I have seen you put on these posts, will not be what leads to that reunification. The only way I can describe it is “Cool Down” That attitude is not the answer. Prayer is.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B

I do believe that that Pope John XXIII to JPII are valid Popes, I only have said that I think they were weak and did not govern properly.

I do not agree with the “empty chair of Peter” people, but unfortunately this group is growing. It is the result of the negligence of the Papacies in the last decades along with a corrupt hierarchy.

The three theological virtues are faith, hope, and charity. Obedience is not one of them. Obedience is neither part of the four cardinal virtues, even though some believe it might fall under justice.

that is important because Catholics throughout history understood that obedience is tied to the truth. We obey what is true. We do not obey error. When the Church had bad Popes and clergy, Catholics did not obey those men who were in contradiction with the magisterium and tradition.

It is the duty of every Catholic to resist the Pope when he teaches error. St. Thomas Aquinas taught that if a Pope taught something that contradicted the faith, we should not follow him.
Popes are human and can fall into error and even heresy. Pope Honorius was declared a hertic.

I follow the Magisteruim and Rome, when Rome follows the magisterium. Unfortunately, Rome is full of modernist clergy, heretics like Cardinal Kasper, and weakness because they cannot govern effectively. They have stabbed groups like the SSPX and FSSP in the back. They also have no control over the natinal bishop conferences.