Defending the Catholic Faith

[Sword_Brethren]

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[guanophore]

You ask how Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was translated in righteousness for Presbyterians?

No, I don’t think so. I think she was asking how, if Christ;s perfect life made satisfaction, why did He need to die. She will correct me if I misunderstood.

Well, I’m one - just a layman with no theology school, mind you. So, I’m a simple man who tries to study his faith from a historical and biblical perspective. I’ll give it a shot.

Here is where you start out on the wrong foot. It is the other way around. One is to study the Scriptures from the perspective of the Apostolic Teaching. failure to do this leads to as many different interpretations of scripture as there are belly buttons.

We have the understanding that God requires an eternal punishment for each sin that is committed. If did not inherit Adam’s nature was born dead into sin, lived a perfect life, but sinned only once (not possible, I’m taking things to extreme) I would still face an eternity in Hell as punishment for my sin. I think most orthodox Christians would agree with that.

Yes. Not only that, even if a person has no personal sins, one is still separated from God from the moment of conception by original sin.

Now, our further understanding is that Christ was the atonement for our sins on the cross. I think this is where we differ – we believe that Christ died for the Elect only and paid an eternal penalty on the cross for not only each and ever believer, but for each and every sin that believer had ever, or would ever commit.

Yes and no. The Apostles taught that Christ died for all, but that some refuse to answer the Call. Of course we believe His blood was shed to cover our sins. We just don’t believe the blood is applied to us without our consent.

God knows His elect, knows what they will or have done and applied that wrath to Christ. So, we believe that Christ died for us in a very personal way. When I confess a sin, I confess knowing that the penalty imposed upon Christ for that sin was an eternal wrath poured out on the Cross. This is part of the reason why the sufficiency of the cross is so important to us. We’re a very real part of Christ’s torment.

Yes. This is a retention of the Apostolic Teaching.

We disagree on salvation, I think, because we use different words to mean the same thing and the same word to mean different things.

I think this is largely true.

A word picture on justification I use for my children.

Imagine that you awake and find yourself in a deep prison, chained to the wall and other people. You’re all lying in a foul mess, the stench is unbearable. It’s dark, cold and you are afraid. Suddenly, there is a light, you feel warmth and love; the light draws you, but suddenly you realize that you’re unable to go to the light. It is pure goodness and you are a slime-filled mess. Further, you realize that you are made of the slime – it’s in you, on you, made by you and – you’ve enjoyed being that mess. You weep, wanting that light and warmth and hope and desperately wanting to see your chains removed and to be with that light. You know that God is that light and you cannot be with God because you are filth and have been the enemy of the light. You cry out, “God save me – I am unclean and unable to save myself”, and suddenly see that Christ is with you, in the slime. He is not affected by it; His radiance drives away the dark and cold. Your chains fall off and suddenly you are clean, white and pure – you know that Christ has given you His nature. Now, you can come to the light and it’s all you want to do.

Nice analagy. It contains some departures from Apostolic Teaching, but also makes some good points.

This one time justification is what we cannot lose.

This is one of the departures from Apostolic Teaching. They did not teach that what happens in justification is “lost” so much as the effects are lost. We can fail to attain the inheritance that is kept for us in heaven. If we fall from this grace, our last state is actually worse than the first, due to the fact that we were made partakers of His Divine nature, then profaned the blood that bought us.

It’s a nature changing experience; we receive a heart of flesh for a heart of stone. At that time we begin our journey of sanctification – obedience to God as we work to become more like Christ. Our inner nature is changed, but our outer nature needs to be molded throughout our life.

This much is close to Apostolic Teaching. They taught that we have two natures, one a sin nature that tends away from God, and the new nature (Divine) implanted in us that strives toward God. Both of these are part of our inner nature.

 

[guanophore]

Now, when we are justified, no red light is illuminated on our foreheads. We show no outer signs of conversion. We can only know that we have been given a gift of grace by God and made righteousness through Christ. We can also not see anyone else’s inner nature to know who is regenerated and who is not.

This is also very Catholic.

No real Reformed Christian would tell you that a simple sinner’s prayer saved us. We did not decide to “get saved”. Nothing we could do would have allowed us to make that decision – we were dead in our sins and cannot assist God.

This is a significant departure from Apostolic faith, and the reason that we have different concepts of salvation. Benedictus rightly pointed out that it reflects a misunderstanding about the nature of man,

That’s the Arminian wing – the emotional side of the Christian triangle. They need the tinglies.

No, I don’t think it is that, though I don’t deny that humans do crave for those tingles. Actually, the Arminian "wing’ has moved back toward Apostolic Teaching.

We see that God has moved, of His own accord, woken us from death, given us a new nature and that nature is what allowed us to suddenly desire to be with God.

Yes. Such a formulation is a departure from the Apsotolic Teaching. It is based on the erroneous doctrine of total depravity.

We see for the first time that we are sinners. A true inner conversion will not need to be repeated. Christ told us to be born again – not again and again and again….

One must not confuse inner conversion wth being “born again”. We require inner conversion througout our lives. Although we are only born again once, the constant converting of the heart toward God is necessary.

We see the Gospel message – the message that wakes the sinner from death and shows him that he is helpless, hopeless and destined for wrath - except for the grace of God and the righteousness of Christ, as simple. So simple a child can understand it. It does not require a theology lesson, church history lesson and an understanding of complex ideas – that’s for sanctification as we walk with Christ and become more and more conformed to His nature. Those things are important, but not for the Gospel.

Yes. Catholics consider that sancification is not separated from justification, therefore, we conceive the Gospel as a complete and seamless garment. For us, the Grace that justifies is the same grace that sanctifies, and God does not sanctify any He has not justified. We cannot separate the from one another… Though justification and sanctification have distinct elements, they are not “apart” or isolated.

, we’ll fail. Still, our justification is secure – God has changed our nature and nothing we can do will allow us to undo His conversion. Just as we could do nothing to become alive in the first place.

One must avoid a great deal of Scripture and early Church history to maintain such a concept.

 

[2nd_Adam]

Well of course you are. Everywhere you are pointed you refuse to go, always with some excuse. When asked for what you want, you dance around and hide behind the word “gospel” as if everyone is supposed to know what YOU think it is. From this I have to conclude that no Protestant can define a gospel. That sounds fair, doesn’t it?

The gospel in a nutshell is 2 Corinthians 5:21.

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

http://www.nloma.org/Portals/0/sunset_cross.jpg

For additional understanding of what I believe to be the gospel, here’s a link for further reflection and study:

monergism.com/directory/l…tegory/Gospel/

The gospel of Christ in general is this: It is the good tidings that God has revealed concerning Christ. More largely it is this: As all mankind was lost in Adam and became the children of wrath, put under the sentence of death, God, though He left His fallen angels and has reserved them in the chains of eternal darkness, yet He has thought upon the children of men and has provided a way of atonement to reconcile them to Himself again…Namely, the second person of the Trinity takes man’s nature upon Himself, and becomes the Head of a second covenant, standing charged with sin. He answers for it by suffering what the law and divine justice required, and by making satisfaction by keeping the law perfectly, which satisfaction and righteousness He tenders up to the Father as a sweet savor of rest for the souls that are given to Him…And now this mediation of Christ is, by the appointment of the Father, preached to the children of men, of whatever nation or rank, freely offering this atonement unto sinners for atonement, requiring them to believe in Him and, upon believing, promising not only a discharge of all their former sins, but that they shall not enter into condemnation, that none of their sins or unworthiness shall ever hinder the peace of God with them, but that they shall through Him be received into the number of those who shall have the image of God again to be renewed unto them, and they they shall be kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation.
Jeremiah Burroughs

…and Heaven have mercy on us all - Presbyterians and Pagans alike - for we are all dreadfully cracked about the head and desperately in need of mending.
Herman Melville Moby Dick

We must not suppose that if we succeeded in making everyone nice we should have saved their souls. A world of nice people, content in their own niceness, looking no further, turned away from God, would be just as desperately in need of salvation as a miserable world.
C.S. Lewis

We must have the full message. . . ‘deliver the whole counsel of God’. . . . It starts with the Law. The Law of God … the demands of a righteous God, the wrath of God. That is the way to bring men and women to conviction; not by modifying the Truth… We must confront them with the fact that they are men and that they are fallible men, that they are dying men, that they are sinful men, and that they will all have to stand before God at the Bar of Eternal Judgement…And then we must present to them the full-orbed doctrine of the Grace of God in Salvation in Jesus Christ. We must show that no man is saved ‘by the deeds of the Law’, by his own goodness or righteousness, or church membership or anything else, but solely, utterly, entirely by the free gift of God in Jesus Christ His Son. . . . We must preach the full-orbed doctrine leaving nothing out-conviction of sin, the reality of Judgement and Hell, free grace, justification, sanctification, glorification. We must also show that there is a world view in the Bible … that here alone you can understand history-past history, present history, future history. Let us show this great world view, and God’s Eternal purpose… Let us at the same time be very careful that we are giving it to the whole man … the gospel is not only for a man’s heart, that you start with his head and present Truth to it … Let us show that it is a great message given by God which we in turn pass on to the mind, to the heart, to the will. There is ever this danger of leaving out some part or other of man’s personality… Let us be certain that we address the whole man-his mind, his emotions and his will.
D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones The Weapons of our Warfare pg. 21-22

 

[Jason_1977]

**HE HASN’T BEEN RESPONDING LATELY, EVERYONE IS JUST RATTLING OFF MESSAGES W. NO RESPONSE, SO I’LL JUST REPEAT THE ONE I POSTED THAT GOT NO RESPONSE ONCE MORE…

THESE ARE YOUR WORDS 2ndADAM:**

Since you too are claiming that historic confessional Protestants preach a different gospel than what Paul proclaimed, please proclaim the true gospel to me so I can repent of my error. As you noticed, Catholics have a hard time proclaiming the gospel according the the Apostle Paul. Here is an easy question: what must I do to be saved?

My response to this is that THERE IS NO GOSPEL ACCORDING TO PAUL IN CANON.:coffeeread:

Paul **proclaimed **the gospel. When you say SAVED, what do you mean by saved? Do you mean saved as in Yes, Christ is your Saviour, or do you mean saved as in you have a bus ticket to heaven? I want to understand saved. Since you like Paul so much, I’ll impart some wisdom on you & pray that I’m not casting pearls at swine. Here goes:

PHILIPPIANS 2:12

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

Now why would I need to work out my salvation with fear & trembling? Hmm…maybe because it’s mine to lose? Aw…so salvation isn’t a bus ticket to heaven? I hear saved so many times, but I work with a southern baptist & I’d heard him say several times, "the 2nd time I was saved, or the 1st time I got saved…I mean, is it really accepting Jesus and that’s it? Or is it accepting Jesus & then once you do that, you’re for sure going to heaven, I want to know what in the heck that’s all about. In the meantime, ponder Philippians 2:12. :coffeeread:

 

[2nd_Adam]

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I’m glad you have a sense of humor, and like the picture of Martin Luther from the movie Martin Luther. Here’s one for the other side of the debate…

 

[2nd_Adam]

PHILIPPIANS 2:12

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

If I received a dollar for everytime a Catholic Christian misquoted Paul in Philippians 2:12, I would be a rich man. Why do you leave out God from this quote? Are you personally trying to work out your salvation with fear and trembling through your flesh (works righteousness)? Here is the verse in biblical context as God intended.

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. - Paul

My response to this is that THERE IS NO GOSPEL ACCORDING TO PAUL IN CANON.

 

[Jason_1977]

YOU HAVE JUST BECOME MY PLAY-THING

You words:

The gospel in a nutshell is 2 Corinthians 5:21.

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

For the record, that is NOT what **2Cor. 5:21 **says, and 2Cor. 5:21 is nowhere close to being a gospel in a nutshell. By saying this, besides saved, I wonder if you know what a gospel is. Here is a gospel in a nutshell. Immaculate Conception, Birth, teachings, miracles, Last Supper, Passion, Resurrection. THAT is a gospel in a nutshell. There is a LOT left out, but if I had to pick the major ones, those would be it. I wonder if you’ve even READ the gospels? I’m still waiting to hear about this Gospel According to Paul. Can I get that at Walden Books? What IS the Gospel according to Paul? I would stop talking & really sit down and read. Know something because the filter between your brain & your keyboard is wearing down I think. I’m not trying to be insulting, but I’m at the point where I’m not even sure you know what you’re saying.:coffeeread:

 

[Jason_1977]

**“We are not commending ourselves to you again, but giving you an opportunity to boast of us, so that you may have something to say to those who boast of external appearance rather than the heart.” 2Cor. 5:12 **

THIS has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING in the gospels. This is HARDLY a gospel in a nutshell. Gospel in a nutshell would be the NICENE CREED. Better yet, the APOSTLES CREED. THOSE would be nutshells. Tangable nutshells.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting. Amen.

THAT is a nutshell. Any questions? :coffeeread:

 

[2nd_Adam]

YOU HAVE JUST BECOME MY PLAY-THING

You words:

The gospel in a nutshell is 2 Corinthians 5:21.

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

For the record, that is NOT what **2Cor. 5:21 **says, and 2Cor. 5:21 is nowhere close to being a gospel in a nutshell. By saying this, besides saved, I wonder if you know what a gospel is. Here is a gospel in a nutshell. Immaculate Conception, Birth, teachings, miracles, Last Supper, Passion, Resurrection. THAT is a gospel in a nutshell. There is a LOT left out, but if I had to pick the major ones, those would be it. I wonder if you’ve even READ the gospels? I’m still waiting to hear about this Gospel According to Paul. Can I get that at Walden Books? What IS the Gospel according to Paul? I would stop talking & really sit down and read. Know something because the filter between your brain & your keyboard is wearing down I think. I’m not trying to be insulting, but I’m at the point where I’m not even sure you know what you’re saying.:coffeeread:

Here is the gospel expanded version according to Paul.

1 Corinthians 15

The Resurrection of Christ

15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

I would love to discuss the gospel of God in all versions (nutshell, medium version, long version). Really, the gospel should be the main thing on the Cathoic Forum site. What is the good news of God my Catholic brother? Preach it to me!

 

[2nd_Adam]

**“We are not commending ourselves to you again, but giving you an opportunity to boast of us, so that you may have something to say to those who boast of external appearance rather than the heart.” 2Cor. 5:12 **

THIS has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING in the gospels. This is HARDLY a gospel in a nutshell. Gospel in a nutshell would be the NICENE CREED. Better yet, the APOSTLES CREED. THOSE would be nutshells. Tangable nutshells.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting. Amen.

THAT is a nutshell. Any questions? :coffeeread:

That is a Christian creed which I have received. But I don’t think that is the gospel that Paul, Peter, John, and James preached according to the book of Acts. Creedal Christians need to know that difference between creeds and the gospel of God! Try this link to find all the Biblical reference with the word gospel, and study it. We can continue our conversion once you study the word gospel as used in Holy Scripture, okay? There are 94 references in the Bible for the word “gospel”.

gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=gospel&src=esv.org

 

[Jason_1977]

If I received a dollar for everytime a Catholic Christian misquoted Paul in Philippians 2:12, I would be a rich man. Why do you leave out God from this quote? Are you personally trying to work out your salvation with fear and trembling through your flesh (works righteousness)? Here is the verse in biblical context as God intended.

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. - Paul

Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, the offspring of David, as preached in my gospel, - Paul (2 Timothy 2:8)

HEY GENIUS: That quote was correct. The MISQUOTE you are refering to **would be Philippians *2:13 ***THE NEXT VERSE. (is your helmet on?) I quoted Philppians 2:12 to the letter. If you would like Philippians 2:12-13, that’s no trouble at all.

PHILIPPIANS 2 "12 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
13 For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to his good will. "

So there’s Philippians 2:12-13. If I had a nickel for everytime a protestant screwed up in scripture, I’d be on the golf course instead of correcting biblical novices.:coffeeread:

 

[Jason_1977]

Here is the gospel expanded version according to Paul.

1 Corinthians 15

The Resurrection of Christ

15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

I would love to discuss the gospel of God in all versions (nutshell, medium version, long version). Really, the gospel should be the main thing on the Cathoic Forum site. What is the good news of God my Catholic brother? Preach it to me!

READ THESE WORDS VERY CAREFULLY…ready children?

There are ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN CANON.

They are MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, & JOHN.

That’s IT.

There is NO Gospel according to PAUL. He PROCLAIMED the Gospel, There is NO GOSPEL ACCORDING TO PAUL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, JOHN. Not Bobby his brother, not Joey the pizza guy, & certainly not Paul! 4 Gospels. That’s it!!!

 

[Jason_1977]

I would love to discuss the gospel of God in all versions (nutshell, medium version, long version). Really, the gospel should be the main thing on the Cathoic Forum site. What is the good news of God my Catholic brother? Preach it to me!

YOU GOT IT!

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.

Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

**For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried. **

On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.

With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.

He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

**That is Catholicism & Gospel in a nutshell. There it is. **

 

[2nd_Adam]

I would love to discuss the gospel of God in all versions (nutshell, medium version, long version). Really, the gospel should be the main thing on the Cathoic Forum site. What is the good news of God my Catholic brother? Preach it to me!

YOU GOT IT!

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.

Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

**For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried. **

On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.

With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.

He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

**That is Catholicism & Gospel in a nutshell. There it is. **

I appreciate your willingness to discuss the gospel of God. What you wrote or copied is very good, but I’m still not sure it is the gospel but more of a Chrsitian creed. BTW… creeds are very important. Please let me know if you agree with these statements in regards to God’s glorious gospel of grace!.

monergism.com/directory/l…tegory/Gospel/

The gospel of Christ in general is this: It is the good tidings that God has revealed concerning Christ. More largely it is this: As all mankind was lost in Adam and became the children of wrath, put under the sentence of death, God, though He left His fallen angels and has reserved them in the chains of eternal darkness, yet He has thought upon the children of men and has provided a way of atonement to reconcile them to Himself again…Namely, the second person of the Trinity takes man’s nature upon Himself, and becomes the Head of a second covenant, standing charged with sin. He answers for it by suffering what the law and divine justice required, and by making satisfaction by keeping the law perfectly, which satisfaction and righteousness He tenders up to the Father as a sweet savor of rest for the souls that are given to Him…And now this mediation of Christ is, by the appointment of the Father, preached to the children of men, of whatever nation or rank, freely offering this atonement unto sinners for atonement, requiring them to believe in Him and, upon believing, promising not only a discharge of all their former sins, but that they shall not enter into condemnation, that none of their sins or unworthiness shall ever hinder the peace of God with them, but that they shall through Him be received into the number of those who shall have the image of God again to be renewed unto them, and they they shall be kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation.
Jeremiah Burroughs

…and Heaven have mercy on us all - Presbyterians and Pagans alike - for we are all dreadfully cracked about the head and desperately in need of mending.
Herman Melville Moby Dick

We must not suppose that if we succeeded in making everyone nice we should have saved their souls. A world of nice people, content in their own niceness, looking no further, turned away from God, would be just as desperately in need of salvation as a miserable world.
C.S. Lewis

We must have the full message. . . ‘deliver the whole counsel of God’. . . . It starts with the Law. The Law of God … the demands of a righteous God, the wrath of God. That is the way to bring men and women to conviction; not by modifying the Truth… We must confront them with the fact that they are men and that they are fallible men, that they are dying men, that they are sinful men, and that they will all have to stand before God at the Bar of Eternal Judgement…And then we must present to them the full-orbed doctrine of the Grace of God in Salvation in Jesus Christ. We must show that no man is saved ‘by the deeds of the Law’, by his own goodness or righteousness, or church membership or anything else, but solely, utterly, entirely by the free gift of God in Jesus Christ His Son. . . . We must preach the full-orbed doctrine leaving nothing out-conviction of sin, the reality of Judgement and Hell, free grace, justification, sanctification, glorification. We must also show that there is a world view in the Bible … that here alone you can understand history-past history, present history, future history. Let us show this great world view, and God’s Eternal purpose… Let us at the same time be very careful that we are giving it to the whole man … the gospel is not only for a man’s heart, that you start with his head and present Truth to it … Let us show that it is a great message given by God which we in turn pass on to the mind, to the heart, to the will. There is ever this danger of leaving out some part or other of man’s personality… Let us be certain that we address the whole man-his mind, his emotions and his will.
D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones The Weapons of our Warfare pg. 21-22

 

[2nd_Adam]

Outreach Project - From Catholic Answers

Our web outreach efforts are very effective, reaching millions of people around the globe with the Good News of Jesus Christ.

What is the Good News of Jesus Christ according to Catholic Christians?

 

[Jason_1977]

The creed is nothing more than a profession of faith rooted in the teachings of the gospel.

 

[2nd_Adam]

The creed is nothing more than a profession of faith rooted in the teachings of the gospel.

Sure, creeds and confessions are extremely importants. Many creeds were written in defense of the Faith, addressing heresy in the church. However, what is the Good News of God that we proclaim to unbelievers and each other? Did you see the Catholic Answers Outreach about proclaming the gospel?

Outreach Project - Catholic Answers

Our web outreach efforts are very effective, reaching millions of people around the globe with the Good News of Jesus Christ.

Therefore, what is the Good News of Jesus Christ according to Catholic Christians?

 

[Sword_Brethren]

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HEY GENIUS: That quote was correct. The MISQUOTE you are refering to **would be Philippians *2:13 ***THE NEXT VERSE. (is your helmet on?) I quoted Philppians 2:12 to the letter. If you would like Philippians 2:12-13, that’s no trouble at all.

PHILIPPIANS 2 "12 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
13 For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to his good will. "

So there’s Philippians 2:12-13. If I had a nickel for everytime a protestant screwed up in scripture, I’d be on the golf course instead of correcting biblical novices.:coffeeread:

:clapping:

 

[Jason_1977]

Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again.