Defining your sexuality

[Jump4Joy]

Guilt is good. I don’t know how I feel about shame though. I think it can be debilitating

 

[StephieNorthCo]

Pm the mods. Explain why you would like it closed.

 

[QwertyGirl]

No, not at all. I don’t think blind people should have all the same opportunities as seeing people (e.g. driving), but I’m not a hater of blind people.

Say what? Are you equating blindness with different types of sexual orientation???

Wow. I bet you ARE biting your tongue!

 

[Prodigal_Son]

We have several people at my work who oppose “liberal ideas”; they actively believe one of my colleagues shouldn’t be allowed to marry her partner, believe another is an abomination because she was assigned a different sex at birth, and believe most of us are deviants. They’ve never been called haters. Our group largely just seem disappointed that they’re so caught up in wanting other folks not to have the same rights as them. They don’t seem like happy people.

Sounds like they are not interested in listening and understanding. I encourage listening and understanding, but I oppose gay marriage. Sorry, but I do. And I’m bisexual, by the way.

 

[Jump4Joy]

I think he’s being a little disrespectful

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Say what? Are you equating blindness with different types of sexual orientation???

Ever hear of listening with a sympathetic ear? I recommend it.

I certainly never equated these things, but sure, I do think attraction to the same sex is a limitation that limits one’s capacity to live in matrimony. So in that sense, it’s like blindness – which limits other human capacities.

 

[Jump4Joy]

I want to personally message you if that’s okay

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Sure! 10char

 

[Alex337]

I understand that but sometimes shame is good. Shame drove me out of that life. Were your friends suicidal? If so then, yes, I see how identifying with others who struggle with this may have been temporary bandage solution.

They were, and abusing drugs to try to numb the pain. It was a bad situation. But now they’ve worked through it and part of that was through the LGBT community. It’s not been a bandage, it’s been the removal of the shame that was killing them.

 

[guanophore]

But whatever the answer to the question, merely calling oneself “gay” does not put anyone in a box

I think it can and does. It is a secular term with secular pressures. I do agree that the person doing the stereotyping has a problem, but so does the target!

I would have thought that a person who calls a bisexual person “homosexual” just doesn’t understand the meaning of the words.

Clearly.

Perhaps the ones with conflicting views can create a different thread if they wish to sort out their disagreements.

That is probably not likely to happen…

For many “pride” in this sense is more about acceptance, a lack of shame. The LGBT+ movement has helped friends of mine who were close to destroying themselves.

I agree, but Christians need to find our “pride” in our relationship with Christ, not what the world gives.

Well, if they feel that someone who is LGBTQ shouldn’t have the same opportunities as straight people, then that does kind of make them a bigot and hater, doesn’t it?

No, but this is one of the ways we are pressured by the world to be squeezed into a mold. You see, “opportunity” or what Catholics call “license”, is, in this case, taking the freedom God has given us and twisted it into selfish outcomes. For us, marriage is a sacrament that can only occur with proper matter. It is not an “opportunity”.

 

[Jump4Joy]

What is the problem with someone defining themselves as bisexual? That is harder to define.

 

[QwertyGirl]

No, but this is one of the ways we are pressured by the world to be squeezed into a mold. You see, “opportunity” or what Catholics call “license”, is, in this case, taking the freedom God has given us and twisted it into selfish outcomes. For us, marriage is a sacrament that can only occur with proper matter. It is not an “opportunity”.

You and the other poster took my post out of context. We were discussing opportunities in the workplace. That was all.

Certainly you don’t believe LGBTQ should be denied opportunities in the workplace because they are LGBTQ. At least I hope not.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

We have several people at my work who oppose “liberal ideas”; they actively believe one of my colleagues shouldn’t be allowed to marry her partner, believe another is an abomination because she was assigned a different sex at birth, and believe most of us are deviants. They’ve never been called haters. Our group largely just seem disappointed that they’re so caught up in wanting other folks not to have the same rights as them. They don’t seem like happy people.

Sounds like they are not interested in listening and understanding. I encourage listening and understanding, but I oppose gay marriage. Sorry, but I do. And I’m bisexual, by the way.

They may be. But the time someone questioned their view they got upset and claimed they were being called bigots.

I see no reason to deny marriage to this loving couple. They’ve been together longer than my husband and I.

 

[Alex337]

Indeed, but shrugging off shame is important also.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

I see no reason to deny marriage to this loving couple. They’ve been together longer than my husband and I.

To be clear, given the pathetic reality that is marriage in America these days, I’m not altogether politically opposed to gay marriage. I just think that there is a natural norm of matrimony that is not something I could have with another guy – and trust me, I have often wished such a thing were possible!

 

[Kei]

You do not work to earn God’s Love. He is Love.
The question is how do we love God? It is by doing His Will and following His Commands.

How does one be who they are? It is not by following sin. It is by being centered around Christ. Detached from the world, we can then be centered around Him. This is how we become who we truly are. Not by following every passion that comes our way.

I know I am not perfect. I am definitely not there yet. However, I know that one rule of the Spiritual battle is to never trust yourself. As one who has faced terrible temptation, I can say it is a battle within yourself. You are not a desire, you are not a passion. You are a person created by the Almighty God to live a good life, drawing near to Him.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

I see no reason to deny marriage to this loving couple. They’ve been together longer than my husband and I.

To be clear, given the pathetic reality that is marriage in America these days, I’m not altogether politically opposed to gay marriage. I just think that there is a natural norm of matrimony that is not something I could have with another guy – and trust me, I have often wished such a thing were possible!

I’m from rural Australia so a slightly different place. And while it may not suit you it does seem to provide for others, so I support their right to it.

Matrimony being a marriage within our Church, while marriage could be within other churches or secular. This distinction is important.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Matrimony being a marriage within our Church, while marriage could be within other churches or secular. This distinction is important.

When matrimony is naturally ordered toward child raising, I think it’s worth caring about and preserving. The secular notion of marriage, on the other hand, is a vast social experiment with unknown consequences.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

Matrimony being a marriage within our Church, while marriage could be within other churches or secular. This distinction is important.

When matrimony is naturally ordered toward child raising, I think it’s worth caring about and preserving. The secular notion of marriage, on the other hand, is a vast social experiment with unknown consequences.

Now I admit to being in a really weird place with this; both of my parents were adopted. (In that both sets of grandparents I have are not my biological grandparents) So I’ve grown up knowing that it’s the people who raise you who are your parents. With this in mind I view homosexual marriage as perfectly fine for making a family.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Now I admit to being in a really weird place with this; both of my parents were adopted. (In that both sets of grandparents I have are not my biological grandparents) So I’ve grown up knowing that it’s the people who raise you who are your parents. With this in mind I view homosexual marriage as perfectly fine for making a family.

I haven’t commented on gay couples adopting, and I’m relatively open to it. But it is far from ideal. Biologically, the best proven context for raising children is with two parents biologically related to the child. Adoption is a beautiful thing, but it is a second-best thing.