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PRmerger
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It is a horrific demonstration of what can happen when a body politic is not governed by a higher moral order.
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User124
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It would be better than doing evil in the name of a higher power!
Supposing I agree with your statement, that would be my answer. But I’m glad that I don’t agree with what you said…
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PRmerger
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Sure. No one ought to be doing evil in the name of a higher power.
That’s horrific as well.
Who has proposed that this is a good thing? :whacky:
Could you be more specific? What part of my statement don’t you agree with?
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That non-religious societies and systems are bad.
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CarloMagnus
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Communism requires atheism. It needs it; it breeds it; therefore, it IS it.
It’s not just that. It’s the refusal to take responsibility for sins; for evil; for corruption. If it can get away with it, it can. And it will.
Yet you judge a young 16yr old peasant french girl by comparing her to an Islamic sword; which is gravely offensive to the French people who looked to her for inspiration in a time of extreme humiliation and loss.
That’s called heresy.
I’m sure you do. But I disagree. They’re both connected. God offers a meaning of life; and I’ll, with respect, use St. Joan of Arc again to demonstrate it, that even the smallest person, the biggest, the weakest, the proudest, or the most humble has a place in the Universe and is not; as the National Socialist, a party with extreme atheistic notions, state,“A burden better off dead.”
Don’t you ever feel life is meaningless? That everything is garbage and not worth bothering with? There are precedents over why we’re here. And it’s not just the worship of a God, but that you influence the people around you precisely because of that God.
Because we can’t prove them. But because we can’t prove them, doesn’t mean they’re not there. Can you prove you exist? Can you say with extreme certainty that you know all about the laws of the universe? And if you don’t know, then how can you possibly insist that the Universe, with it’s repetition, is incapable of having had a God at it’s center?
Comparing an Islamic symbol to a symbol that made France is extremely offensive. And it in no way has any comparison; by a long shot. The fact that such a woman died so that France can live, by the will of an existing being, is truth in comparison to the Muslim hordes that blindly followed a self-proclaimed “prophet” for world domination; whose followers, to this very day, incur in suicide attacks to meet that end.
Now give me an answer to my question and quit avoiding it like a little school girl on the first day of class.
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Communism requires atheism, wow you explained it all!!
I don’t know whatever you call it, but it happens that religious groups and faiths (theists) have different views on moralities.
No, I don’t think life is meaningless without a belief in supernaturals, just as you don’t think that life is meaningless without a belief in Krishna or Zeus or whatever god it is! Atheism and nihilism are too different things.
This Islamic symbol is appreciated historically and religiously by many Muslims, just as you appreciate your symbols.
I have a total freedom regarding answering your question. I already did a bet, once you answer mine I’ll answer yours, it’s good to educate yourself about other religions too
Annoying school girl huh?
“I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”
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Neither do I believe in unicorns, nor Santa Claus, but for the following reasons: unicorns at one time, did exist, and Santa Claus was created by a Yankee named Nash. Nonetheless, while the existence of unicorns is only believable on the basis of their past existence, Santa Claus’ existence is believable on the basis of whom does, still, exist: Saint Nicholas: the character that is Santa Claus is believable. The species of unicorns, died out – as stories of scriptures go – due to their disobedience against God. The denial against unicorns and their existence demands faith. Where does a claim of the existence of unicorns exist, outside The Old Testament and their relevant sources? When we accept, that unicorns did at one time exist, then we accept, that The Old Testament puts forward truths, not as fabricated myths to illustrate truths, but as historical, biological, facts. Yet when species and their existence is referenced through scripture, without being extant, we need either archaeological evidence, or faith. To accept the existence of Santa Claus, we only need a story serving as a testimony of another man’s life, and a good plot, and good character development, as fictitious as the story has become for many.
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What makes God’s existence believable? People are not intelligent enough to create something so far beyond themselves, and with epic historical continutiy, maintain such a lie, or conspiracy: not even God can create his own existence, but this leaves us with a characteristic of God, that I hadn’t really considered: is God humbled by his existence, and subsequent inability to exist without a beginning, while being acknowledged as The Creator by so many? Somewhat of a silly question, I suppose: imagine having both the intelligence, and the willpower, to be proud and avoiding such a decision since the beginning of time.
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interestedman
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I don’t see why this even gets brought up. So there are people in power that don’t believe in God that are bad people. It doesn’t mean that not believing in God makes you a bad (or good) person.
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Brainwashing children doesn’t work as well as it did before the internet unfortunately.
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User124
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What do you call the stories and books of those who have super-powers? weren’t we able to create them? or even the Gods of other religions? since you believe in one god who was not created.
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interestedman, you asked: do you exist because you are good. I would say, no. You exist because you are of God, God created you as a soul. To me, you are proof of God’s existence.
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So you can say for certain she never heard of the immaculate conception?
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I don’t know how something works, therefore God.
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interestedman
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lol, ok.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_politics_and_law
The prime minister of Australia is atheist right now. I hope she doesn’t start eating the children.
There are horrible people that believe in God and horrible people that don’t. Wasn’t Hitler a Christian?
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That’s true, wherever you go you find people doing good things and others doing bad things.
It doesn’t really matter what belief Hitler was, if he was Christian, that doesn’t mean Christians are bad, if he was atheist, that doesn’t mean atheists are bad.
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After reading all the comments through the last page, you should be convinced that it is absolutely futile to try to talk an athiest into belief. Leave that to the pros. I didn’t see anything in the comments posted here to make me think differently.
Several facts to keep in mind. There are " reasons " for the faith. You will find them in the first section of the Catechism of the Catholic Church vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
There are many reasons why some do no accept them. In the end however, there is no excuse for not believing in the existence of God. This is the teaching of the Church. Certainly you have to be charitable. But do stand your ground. Don’t think that just because you can’t answer their objections to their satisfactions that there is something wrong with your reasons or faith. Generally speaking, they are determined not to accept any " reason. " Generally speaking, they are merely parrioting something they have read from the " New Athiests " or what some " professor " has said. Generally speaking, they have an ax to grind and " athiesm ’ seems to be a good grinding wheel. Probably none of them are willing to go to the trouble of reading serious philosophers like Thomas Aquinas, at least I have seen no proof of that in the Philosophy Forum - none whatsoever. So whose position is unreasonable? An excellent little book you can read which will help you understand all this is " The Last Superstition " by Edward Feser. You can get the paper back for $17.00 and it is well worth reading, just skip pg 146 which is suitable only for Doctors or Nurses.
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God created quite a bit. Powers have been attributed to angels, demons, satan, and so on. Gods have been made out of the wind, and trees, and animals: would I evidence gods created on the basis of trees, and forces of the wind, and sun, and rain, to be a lack of intelligence, or a lack of technological means? Without a magnifying glass, or microsope, how much more so believable is the existence of one species of fly, or flies, originating from fecal matter, than it is with a magnifying glass, or microscope? What existence outside the intelligence of a person, can there be said, to exist, should it become know: such and such a specie of fly, came into existence in similar visible terms as frogs, or toads, from pollywogs, and larvae. It may be believable, that flies originate from something similar to frogs, butterflies, and other species of similar biological development; still, how much less know must such an incremental progression of biological development be with a fly, than with a caterpillar, and a pollywog? Naked eye observations with intelligence, and will, applied are really quite phenomenal, but limited, not until we obtain some creation of our own will, human will, do we see further than the visible light spectrum.
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PRmerger
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Just so I can be clear: you are saying that Catholicism brainwashes children?
Yes or no?
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CarloMagnus
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Doesn’t it? Communism saw a complete separation of Church and state; including making any laws for or against religion. But they neither encourage it nor made any efforts to allow it in Communist lands without control over it.
Look up the relationship between the People’s Republic of China and Roman Catholicism.
Difference doesn’t mean fact. Just because one group states that abortion is right and another wrong, doesn’t mean that it’s a different morality, but a failure in morality.
Then you can provide the meaning of life for me, so we can drop all religion and become like you.
But both are extremely different. Islam does as it does for the Allah of Islam; by whatever means, especially violence. While in Christianity, we apply our ways by justice, where violence is only an alternative where we have no choice.
I already answered yours. Now answer mine. A fictional sword is not the same as a real saint. There is overwhelming evidence of St. Joan of Arc’s existence, yet there is little evidence over the Zulfiqar.I have a total freedom regarding answering your question. I already did a bet, once you answer mine I’ll answer yours, it’s good to educate yourself about other religions too
Oh you like quoting verses from the Bible, do ya?Annoying school girl huh?
“I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”
Here’s one for ya:
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist–he denies the Father and the Son.
And I never said annoying. But it’s interesting that that popped into your head when you read what I wrote. Your psychology shows a clearly agitated person feeling attacked by rationalizations you’re unable to answer. Your next move will likely be to reduce these proceedings to mockery of the rationalization. I think that chances are you will deny everything considering the above and show little sympathy towards the religious arguments. And if not any of that, then you’ll likely go away.
-Karl
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