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estesbob
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In the Bizzaro world of Liberal Catholicism those who try to end abortion always end up being the bad guys.
Democratic Ad: Catholic Church More Concerned About Abortion Than Poor
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Rocinante
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i wasn’t going out on a limb with any assumptions. you compared the poor women faced with probably the toughest choice of their lives (i am hesitant to condemn such women since i have never been in nor ever could be in such a situation and since i have knowledge and resources that such women very often lack) with rapists and murders.
rapists and murders, for goodness sake!!!
if you want to back off from your statements i completely understand, but i have based my comments on what you said rather than assumptions about you.
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Rocinante
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it’s a matter of understanding what will and will not reduce the number of abortions. republican policies are a danger to our daughters and will not help the unborn. they will just make the rich richer and the poor poorer and keep generating more people without the resources and wherewithal to make the right choice rather than end their pregnancy in abortion.
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Christopher68
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estesbob, why do you think there is always a “big government” solution to any problem?
Has LBJ’s “Great Society” program ended poverty? Has Reagan’s “War On Drugs” ended drug abuse? Poverty and drug abuse are worse now than when those programs were initiated.
With that in mind, will your big government “War On Abortion” result in less abortions, or more of them?
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Sonny1954
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And the public or private sanction against Catholic politicians of either party who vote again the Church’s position on these programs is what…?
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TheRealJuliane
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What are you prattling on about? It’s the Democrat party platform that endorses the right to abortion! A danger to our daughters? I’d call that party a danger to our daughters!
“Keep generating more and more people without the resources and wherewithal?” Watch out, you are stepping closer and closer to Margaret Sanger!
So a life of poverty is worse than no life at all? Please think about what you are saying, if you can.
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estesbob
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As I said in the bizarro world of libe abortion supporting Catholics politics trumps all. It doesn’t matter if you’re supporting somebody who enables the slaughter of 1.2 million children a year because by gosh because of those evil Republicans most of those kids would’ve went to bed hungry every night anyway. And if those those kids had grown up perhaps they would have used up spme of those of thoe precious resources I need to maintain the lifestyle I want. Better to kill them in the womb and blame those who are trying to stop the slaughter for causing it.
Perhaps we should embrace Jonathan Swift solution to poverty. ? Wouldn’t that be more efficient than abortion?
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estesbob
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I fail to see how protecting the lives of people is a big government program? I thought that’s what governments were supposed to do?estesbob, why do you think there is always a “big government” solution to any problem?
Has LBJ’s “Great Society” program ended poverty? Has Reagan’s “War On Drugs” ended drug abuse? Poverty and drug abuse are worse now than when those programs were initiated.
With that in mind, will your big government “War On Abortion” result in less abortions, or more of them?
I am curious -why would you even want to entrust leadership to somebody who thinks it’s ok for women to kill their children?
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estesbob
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They know the truth. When judgment day comes I doubt if “I was supporting my party’s platform” is going to carry much weight.
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Rocinante
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a life of poverty, lack of education and opportunity, and lack of hope for a good future with regard to the decision about bringing new life into the world is what causes women to have abortions. republicans contribute to these causes. unless these underlying conditions are addressed, making abortion illegal will only serve to make it dangerous for our daughters who are faced with this awful choice. voting republican is an anti-life vote. dems aren’t much better, but they are better.
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estesbob
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There are two fallacies in your post. Number one is that most abortions are obtained because of poverty ,the other is Republican Party policies enhance poverty. Even if both of these were true it would not justify abortion nor justify voting for politicians who support abortion on demand.
By the way-my daughters will never be faced with this awful choice as they were raised in the Church were taught how evil abortion is and top that sex was reserved for marriage… If one fears that their daughter is going to up in this situation they really need to sit back and ask themselves why they failed in parenting. Abortion is not a solution to poverty or bad parenting. It is a grievous crime that should be fought tooth and nail by everyone.
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Rocinante
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you are misrepresenting the opposition to your view. no one thinks abortion is something not to be taken seriously. everyone on both sides of the legal debate would like to see our abortion rates go down.
the question is, how do we accomplish that? those claiming to be pro-life just don’t have pro-life policies.
the fact is that all but one of the ten states with the LOWEST rates of abortion are democratic…
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Liberal 1 Massachusetts 2.4
Liberal 2 Connecticut 2.8
Liberal 3 New Jersey 3.0
Liberal 4 Rhode Island 3.2
Liberal 5 New York 3.3
Liberal 6 Pennsylvania 3.3
Liberal 7 Wisconsin 3.4
Conservative 8 North Dakota 3.4
Liberal 9 Maryland 3.5
Liberal 10 Minnesota 3.6
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Conservative 35 Texas 5.4
Conservative 36 Alaska 5.5
Liberal 37 Washington 5.6
Conservative 38 Mississippi 5.7
Conservative 39 Kentucky 5.8
Conservative 40 Arizona 5.8
Conservative 41 Florida 5.9
Conservative 42 New Mexico 6.0
Conservative 43 Idaho 6.2
Conservative 44 Alabama 6.2
Conservative 45 Indiana 6.6
Conservative 46 Wyoming 6.5
Conservative 47 Tennessee 6.6
Conservative 48 Oklahoma 6.7
Conservative 49 Arkansas 7.1
Conservative 50 Nevada 9.0
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estesbob
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I don’t know what pro-abortion site you pulled these bogus statistics from but the truth can be found here:
statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?cat=10&ind=465
Five states with the highest abortion rates are:
New York
Delaware
Florida
New Jersey
Nevada
The lowest rates were :
Wyoming
Idaho
Kentucky
Mississippi
South Dakota
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Rocinante
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the issue is NOT whether or not abortion is justified or a good thing. everyone agrees that it is a bad thing.
you do realized that thousands of parents have said the exact same thing as they mourned the deaths of their daughters in botched abortions?
anyway, the point of talking about “our daughters” is not to refer specifically to *your *offspring. i’m talking about all young women who may o rmay not have had the benefit of your extraordinary parenting skills, a safe home, food on the table, a good education, and hope for the future of a child brought into the world under often terrible circumstances.
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estesbob
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Sure seem to be a lot of them if everybody agrees they are a bad thing. And why would the Democratic Party platform enthusiastically support a bad thing? Why would feminists tell us that a woman’s most sacred right is a right to kill her child if it is such a bad thing.
Another liberal myth. In the 10 Years Prior to Roethe average number of deaths from illegal abortions was under 400 a year. 92% of all illegal abortions were performed by a licensed doctor in a sterile environment.
Our culture tells our daughters from a very young age that there are no consequences to any sexual behavior as long as you protect yourself and that abortion is perfectly okay if the protection fails.
I am sorry to see that you have wholeheartedly bought into the pro-abortion “better dead than underfed” philosophy.
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CHRISTINE77
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Most abortions are not by poor people. Most poor people do not want abortions. Why can’t you understand that?
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Graubo3
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Can you imagine Planned Parenthood setting up shop by a swank country club? That argument may rival the Ground Zero Mosque
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estesbob
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Women who go to country clubs go to their private doctor for abortions. There is no doubt that that Planned Parenthood targets the poor , after all abortion has always been about limiting the number of undesirables. RuthBader- Gingsburg affirmed this as late as last yearCan you imagine Planned Parenthood setting up shop by a swank country club? That argument may rival the Ground Zero Mosque
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TheRealJuliane
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No, being LIED TO by Planned Parenthood is many times what causes women to have abortions, as well as being pressured by the baby’s father, sometimes even their own fathers and shockingly by some mothers and grandmothers. You give people way too much credit, you are not in touch with women considering an abortion. They don’t think in terms of poverty. It’s more immediate than that.
And you are lying to yourself - the Democrat Party platform includes unlimited access to abortion for any reason, anywhere, any time. Unless a Democrat is firm about standing down from that part of the plank (unlikely) they will betray your vote every single time. I believe it would be considered a sin to knowingly vote for a candidate who is pro-abortion, no?
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TheRealJuliane
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Women who can afford to be members of a country club are usually past child-bearing age, to be precise, but they could take their daughters to a private clinic, true.
I know you know this but some here might not know the racist roots of Planned Parenthood. Did you know that Hillary Clinton received the Margaret Sanger Award a couple of years ago? She was proud of that distinction too.
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