Democratic Party Convention General Thread

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qui_est_ce said:
Because?
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I’m really surprised by the mentality that if a person is good at giving a speech written by somebody else and aided by TelePrompTer, somehow that automatically translates to ability to lead. Barrack obama first became popular through his convention speech. People still marvel at his rhetorical ability. I guess speeches are a major part of judgment for politicians but they really shouldn’t be judged alone. Like many posters said, those speeches might be good standing by themsleves but people have to take into consideration whether they jive with each other, whether they make sense given current state of affairs, what they leave out, whether there are lies and hypocrisy, etc. The media will never point out democrat convention problems. So on the surface everything might look dandy but reality may be very different.
 
_Abyssinia said:
As I saw someone point out similarly on Twitter, all the things that Bernie Sanders pointed out there is happening or is continuing to happen under a Democratic president who has been president for nearly 8 years!
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And a fairly left-wing Democrat at that.
 
estesbob said:
Sanders last night:

*This election is about – and must be about – the needs of the American people and the kind of future we create for our children and grandchildren.

This election is about ending the 40-year decline of our middle class the reality that 47 million men, women and children live in poverty. It is about understanding that if we do not transform our economy, our younger generation will likely have a lower standard of living then their parents.

This election is about ending the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality that we currently experience, the worst it has been since 1928. It is not moral, not acceptable and not sustainable that the top one-tenth of one percent now own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent, or that the top 1 percent in recent years has earned 85 percent of all new income. That is unacceptable. That must change.
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Michelle says the country is great. I am curious as to why people are praising speeches that contradict each other?
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The implication of these words by Sanders is that neither the GOP nor the Democrats, including Obama, have done much to curb the steady decline of economic prosperity and the rise of poverty from one generation to the next, although he does go on to give Obama some credit for averting the disastrous consequences of the 2008 economic depression. All in all, however, it is apparent that Sanders does NOT believe our country is so great from the economic standpoint. Neither he nor others touched foreign-policy matters yet: hopefully some speakers will get to that mess in the remaining days of the convention. It is rather obvious why Michelle Obama paints a rather different picture of America, and, I would think, so will Hillary Clinton.
 
Personanongrata said:
There was no damage to undo. Most intelligent people understood what she meant with that previous comment. Those who didn’t, were just upset with them being in the White House.
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qui_est_ce said:
Because?
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queenofheartscv said:
I’m really surprised by the mentality that if a person is good at giving a speech written by somebody else and aided by TelePrompTer, somehow that automatically translates to ability to lead. Barrack obama first became popular through his convention speech. People still marvel at his rhetorical ability. I guess speeches are a major part of judgment for politicians but they really shouldn’t be judged alone. Like many posters said, those speeches might be good standing by themsleves but people have to take into consideration whether they jive with each other, whether they make sense given current state of affairs, what they leave out, whether there are lies and hypocrisy, etc. The media will never point out democrat convention problems. So on the surface everything might look dandy but reality may be very different.
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I’d like to know why Personnanongrata believes that people don’t understand the remark because they are “upset” by the Obamas being in the WH. Because I don’t like Obama’s policies, I have been told that I don’t like the Obamas and that I’m racist. I dislike having to defend myself by by using the cliche that some of my best friends/politicians/judges/etc. are black.
 
meltzerboy said:
The implication of these words by Sanders is that neither the GOP nor the Democrats, including Obama, has done much to curb the steady decline of economic prosperity and the rise of poverty from one generation to the next, although he does go on to give Obama some credit for averting the disastrous consequences of the 2008 economic depression. All in all, however, it is apparent that Sanders does NOT believe our country is so great from the economic standpoint. Neither he nor others touched foreign-policy matters yet: hopefully some speakers will get to that mess in the remaining days of the convention.
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Well see it any utter the words “Islamist terrorist”
 
You need a picture ID to get into the convention hall, but you need NO picture ID to vote???

Somewhere I lost their logic there!
 
qui_est_ce said:
I’d like to know why Personnanongrata believes that people don’t understand the remark because they are “upset” by the Obamas being in the WH. Because I don’t like Obama’s policies, I have been told that I don’t like the Obamas and that I’m racist. I dislike having to defend myself by by using the cliche that some of my best friends/politicians/judges/etc. are black.
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Playing the race card is so common on the left that the word racism has lost all its meaning. People just roll their eyes when they see it used.
 
jcwit said:
You need a picture ID to get into the convention hall, but you need NO picture ID to vote???

Somewhere I lost their logic there!
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They also built an 8 foot tall wall around the convention center. Do as we say, not as we do
 
estesbob said:
Playing the race card is so common on the left that the word racism has lost all its meaning. People just roll their eyes when they see it used.
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Didn’t the DNC want to use Bernie sander’s Jewishness or atheism against him, courtesy of Wikileaks? That right there is real racism.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Didn’t the DNC want to use Bernie sander’s Jewishness or atheism against him, courtesy of Wikileaks? That right there is real racism.
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Yes, they did, as if one cannot be an atheistic or cultural Jew. The paranoid side of me, which is attentive to anti-Semitism in its more subtle forms, also realizes that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the first Jewish Chairperson of the DNC and the object of much ridicule.
 
meltzerboy said:
Yes, they did, as if one cannot be an atheistic or cultural Jew. The paranoid side of me, which is attentive to anti-Semitism in its more subtle forms, also realizes that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the first Jewish Chairperson of the DNC and the object of much ridicule.
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But was she before the Wikileaks revelations? Never did I hear any mention of her being Jewish as a critique.
 
Second report of disunity inside the TX delegation
Texas delegation breakfast gets heated with a shouting match including calls to ‘grow up!’ apne.ws/2anLsGH
 
estesbob said:
So you must have hated Sanders speech which directly contradicted Michelle Obamas speech. And a convention where people are booing during the invocation can hardly be called a great start,
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Here’s what I like: the fact that the Democratic primary can be fiercely contested, but that it is contested primarily on ideas - not on personal attacks. I like the fact that Senator Sanders, while no doubt disappointed with the outcome of the primary, forcefully endorsed Hillary Clinton for POTUS. 👍

This is a stark contrast to the GOP primary, where the runner-up refused to endorse the nominee and urged everyone to vote their conscience instead. :eek:
 
Mulligan2 said:
Here’s what I like: the fact that the Democratic primary can be fiercely contested, but that it is contested primarily on ideas - not on personal attacks. I like the fact that Senator Sanders, while no doubt disappointed with the outcome of the primary, forcefully endorsed Hillary Clinton for POTUS. 👍
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That is how primaries normally are with both parties in the US. Everything is decided by the party bosses off stage and prior to the convention.
This is a stark contrast to the GOP primary, where the runner-up refused to endorse the nominee and urged everyone to vote their conscience instead. :eek:
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However the convention rejected that idea and he was boo’d off stage.
 
meltzerboy said:
Yes, they did, as if one cannot be an atheistic or cultural Jew. The paranoid side of me, which is attentive to anti-Semitism in its more subtle forms, also realizes that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the first Jewish Chairperson of the DNC and the object of much ridicule.
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I once was invited to a trivia night at a synagogue by an acquaintance who was atheist. When I asked him why he belonged to synagogue, he said it was a cultural thing. I didn’t take it any further, though now I wish I had.

Of the few Jewish people I have known, this seemed to be a common theme.
 
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