Democratic Party Convention General Thread

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_Abyssinia said:
For him to say Trump has not sacrificed anything is actually a pretty horrible comment for him to have made. Trump may not have gone to war, but Khzir Khan doesn’t know whether Donald Trump has made sacrifices in his life. Who hasn’t made sacrifices at one time or another in their life?!
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It is Trump who routinely makes the horrible comments, so it seems strange to defend him on the grounds that someone is saying something horrible about him. Any by the way, it is not so horrible to say that Trump has not sacrificed. It is just a fact, and one that Trump is proud of. He is all about personal gain at the expense of anyone who gets in his way. Whatever private sacrifices he might have made in his life would be nothing like giving a son in the defense of this country. Khzir Khan had every right to make that comment. His son is dead. His son who gave his life to protect Trump’s lifestyle. Trump should be thanking the family for his service.
 
Songcatcher said:
That was so amazing. His subsequent interviews, along with his wife, have also been very, very powerful.

Of course, Trump’s response has been disgustingly low, even for him. He was asked about the father’s statement that he hasn’t sacrificed and instead of saying what any decent human would say, “you’re right sir, your son and family paid the ultimate sacrifice and I am humbled by your sacrifice and loss” he started listing all the ways he has “sacrificed.” Absolutely disgusting.

But, if you thought that was as low as a human could go, you’d be wrong. Trump found a way to go even lower. He then started trash-talking the grieving mother by saying she didn’t speak and implying she wasn’t “allowed” to speak. Yes, she didn’t speak but, as she told a reporter, she is so grief stricken she can’t bear to go in her son’s room or look at his picture. She knew she would be too emotional to talk about her son in front of a huge audience and, in fact, when she came out on stage there was a picture of her son behind her and she was overcome with grief.
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I see here a very funny definition of what’s disgusting.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
It is Trump who routinely makes the horrible comments, so it seems strange to defend him on the grounds that someone is saying something horrible about him. Any by the way, it is not so horrible to say that Trump has not sacrificed. It is just a fact, and one that Trump is proud of. He is all about personal gain at the expense of anyone who gets in his way. Whatever private sacrifices he might have made in his life would be nothing like giving a son in the defense of this country. Khzir Khan had every right to make that comment. His son is dead. His son who gave his life to protect Trump’s lifestyle. Trump should be thanking the family for his service.
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Donald Trump has made horrible comments in the past, but that doesn’t mean that when somebody makes a horrible and unfair comment about him that that should be put to the side, so to speak.

I feel sympathy for Khzir Khan for his loss, but his comment was unfair because he doesn’t know Donald Trump personally and he can’t know that Donald Trump has not made any sacrifices.

I agree with your last comment.
 
Here’s something kind of interesting, the Houston Chronicle has endorsed Clinton:
Both Campaigns Stunned After Houston Chronicle Makes VERY Surprising Endorsement
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One of the largest newspapers in all of Texas, which previously endorsed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, has now officially endorsed Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
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On Friday, the Houston Chronicle made its official endorsement known in an article titled: “These are unsettling times that require a steady hand: That’s not Donald Trump.”
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‘Any one of Trump’s less-than-sterling qualities — his erratic temperament, his dodgy business practices, his racism, his Putin-like strongman inclinations and faux-populist demagoguery, his contempt for the rule of law, his ignorance — is enough to be disqualifying. His convention-speech comment, “I alone can fix it,” should make every American shudder. He is, we believe, a danger to the Republic.’
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bipartisanreport.com/2016/07/29/both-campaigns-stunned-after-houston-chronicle-makes-very-surprising-endorsement/
 
queenofheartscv said:
I see here a very funny definition of what’s disgusting.
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I’m sure you do. I, however, think that minimizing the sacrifice of a fallen soldier and his family and then making snarky, snide comments about the soldier’s mother is the very definition of disgusting and not remotely funny.
 
meltzerboy said:
And if Trump becomes President, I’m afraid it’s only the beginning in both words and deeds.
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Oh my, your post gave me chills. His words are bad enough, but the possible “deeds?” I can’t even think about that.

I was just watching the network news and they are leading with this story. Everyone seems thoroughly disgusted. They played the Trump footage with the Kahn footage and it is even more repugnant when viewed together.

The parents gave another interview today and asked Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan, “Isn’t it time to repudiate Trump? If your candidate wins and he governs the way he has campaigned, my country, this country, will have constitutional crises never before in the history of this country, and my conscience compels me under these very difficult circumstances,” Khan said. “But there is so much at stake, and I appeal to both of these leaders, this is the time.** There comes a time in the history of a nation where an ethical, moral stand has to be taken regardless of the political costs.** The only reason they’re not repudiating his behavior, his threat to our democracy, our decency, our foundation, is just because of political consequences.”
 
7_Sorrows said:
Michael Mayo;14078038:
I always reflect back on the secret meeting on the tarmac of the Phoenix airport between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch. the Clintons live by their own rules - multiple servers, deleted e-mails.
Trump has not lived a political life. he is going against Hillary who is bought and paid for by Wall Street and George Soros. I have no problem not voting for Hillary and supporting Donald.
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Secret implies no one knew about it.
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Songcatcher said:
Oh my, your post gave me chills. His words are bad enough, but the possible “deeds?” I can’t even think about that.

I was just watching the network news and they are leading with this story. Everyone seems thoroughly disgusted. They played the Trump footage with the Kahn footage and it is even more repugnant when viewed together.

The parents gave another interview today and asked Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan, “Isn’t it time to repudiate Trump? If your candidate wins and he governs the way he has campaigned, my country, this country, will have constitutional crises never before in the history of this country, and my conscience compels me under these very difficult circumstances,” Khan said. “But there is so much at stake, and I appeal to both of these leaders, this is the time.** There comes a time in the history of a nation where an ethical, moral stand has to be taken regardless of the political costs.** The only reason they’re not repudiating his behavior, his threat to our democracy, our decency, our foundation, is just because of political consequences.”
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The parents were interviewed last night on MSNBC’s “The Last Word,” by Lawrence O’Donnell, in which they said about the same thing as you have noted. They praised the Republican leadership and urged them to repudiate the views of Donald Trump. And yes, the fallen soldier’s mother also spoke and agreed with her husband.
 
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_Abyssinia said:
For him to say Trump has not sacrificed anything is actually a pretty horrible comment for him to have made. Trump may not have gone to war, but Khzir Khan doesn’t know whether Donald Trump has made sacrifices in his life. Who hasn’t made sacrifices at one time or another in their life?!
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Yes, who hasn’t made sacrifices, especially for their children? Many of us have. But the supreme sacrifice of losing a child who served his country with honor and distinction: that is a very special sacrifice that not so many of us have made. How can Trump be so foolish, politically speaking, and so conceited, personality-wise, to compare his sacrifices to that of these parents? Of course, Trump will not apologize for his remarks, which also included the question of why the wife was, according to him, not allowed to say anything, which is so offensive since it plays precisely to the anti-Muslim sentiment he has and which he has encouraged in others. The latter is the reason these parents are critical of Trump in the first place. No, he will probably double-down, or backtrack and say he is being misinterpreted by the media and the powers that be. That is his “normal” pattern of behavior.
 
Songcatcher said:
I’m sure you do. I, however, think that minimizing the sacrifice of a fallen soldier and his family and then making snarky, snide comments about the soldier’s mother is the very definition of disgusting and not remotely funny.
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For the record, What I found funny was your definition of disgusting and nothing else. I personally would be more disgusted by someone covering up her husband’s rape allegations and persecuting his alleged rape victims.
 
queenofheartscv said:
For the record, What I found funny was your definition of disgusting and nothing else. I personally would be more disgusted by someone covering up her husband’s rape allegations and persecuting his alleged rape victims.
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I agree that is also disgusting. Its so depressing what our presidential choices have come too. Its feels like now we’re just playing a parlor game called “Whose the most disgusting.” Both of our options churn my stomach
 
_Abyssinia said:
Donald Trump has made horrible comments in the past, but that doesn’t mean that when somebody makes a horrible and unfair comment about him that that should be put to the side, so to speak.
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But Trump is still doing it! He daily calls Hillary “crooked”, although he has no proof that she has done anything crooked, or is crooked. That seems to be much worse than accusing someone of not understanding what it is to sacrifice. Either both comments are fair, or both are unfair. Take your pick.
 
Millie123 said:
I agree that is also disgusting. Its so depressing what our presidential choices have come too. Its feels like now we’re just playing a parlor game about whose the most disgusting. Both of our options churn my stomach
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How does unconventional speech compare with verified bad behavior? When it comes to speech, there can be as many styles as people. If politicians should oniy say what we expect them to say, you know what they say will be fake most of the time. Rough and gruff language is not anywhere nearly as bad as untrustworthy conniving self serving behavior, especially when the said language style is often used as a tool for rhetorical effect.
 
I heard that Sarah Palin’s speech got higher ratings than the whole DNC thing.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
But Trump is still doing it! He daily calls Hillary “crooked”, although he has no proof that she has done anything crooked, or is crooked. That seems to be much worse than accusing someone of not understanding what it is to sacrifice. Either both comments are fair, or both are unfair. Take your pick.
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Oh, come on.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
7 Sorrows;14078121:
It wasn’t secret. It was public. Private server was legal and she was not the first. But why am I defending her? I dislike her only a bit less than Donald who I think is completely inappropriate. Incompetent, and temperamentally unstable.
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it was only made public when a reporter from local Fox affiliate was tipped off in Phoenix as to what was about to go down and the reporter was able to get there in time to get a picture or two.
otherwise no one would have known about it. it makes me wonder how many other private meetings have taken place we will never hear about.
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LeafByNiggle said:
But Trump is still doing it! He daily calls Hillary “crooked”, although he has no proof that she has done anything crooked, or is crooked. That seems to be much worse than accusing someone of not understanding what it is to sacrifice. Either both comments are fair, or both are unfair. Take your pick.
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I’m not excusing it, but I suspect Trump uses that term because of the various scandals Hillary Clinton has been involved in.
 
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