Democratic Party Convention General Thread

[7_Sorrows]

Donald Trump has also been both a Democrat and a Republican, has donated money to candidates of both parties and has two children who are independents. So I’m not sure why you are criticizing Mr. Bloomberg for having belonged to more than one party. Interestingly, a poll conducted in March in New York state showed Mr. Bloomberg beating Mr. Trump in a three-way contest with Bloomberg running as an independent while in New York City, Mr. Bloomberg got nearly twice as much support.

siena.edu/assets/files/news/SNY0316N_Crosstabs.pdf

he reminds me of Oscar the Grouch and he wants too much control over people’s lives.

 

[Darryl1958]

Funny, I would like the Republicans to take the same position on gun control as they do on abortion: respect for life trumps personal autonomy.

Guns and life are not diametrically opposed to each other. It is not a question of personal autonomy vs life. It is a question of personal autonomy vs government control.

In the case of abortion, the unborn diametrically oppose life only in the sub percentage of cases where the choice is between the the actual life mother living and the unborn. In the rest of the case, personal autonomy actually does trump the life of the unborn

Now of course the left would like for Republicans to take the same side of the issue as they do. And for their part, Republicans would actually like Catholic leftist to take the position of the unborn. To the extent that Republicans take the position of the left though, they would no longer really be Repulicans. They would be leftists.

The left on the other hand would still be leftists if they sided with the unborn over personal autonomy of the mother and her doctor. Believing in government control over the personal autonomy of guns does not make them less leftist, and neither would believing in the life of the unborn over personal autonomy make them less leftist.
Personal autonomy has never been a value of a group that believes in giving more control to big government in the first place.

 

[Peccavi]

For every 17 US citizens killed by terrorists in 2015 11,100+ were killed by guns (not counting suicides) in the USA. (Source FBI statistics) The threat therefore LOGICALLY to life comes more from internal weapons than external terrorists. But since when did facts get in the way of feelings in US politics. Terrify the people with fear of external threats and allow them to ignore the real threats to their lives and more importantly to the lives of their children born and as yet unborn. Somehow there is a deep problem with a society that is blind to its own faults while recognising the flaws only in others.

 

[Alex_H]

For every 17 US citizens killed by terrorists in 2015 11,100+ were killed by guns (not counting suicides) in the USA. (Source FBI statistics) The threat therefore LOGICALLY to life comes more from internal weapons than external terrorists. But since when did facts get in the way of feelings in US politics. Terrify the people with fear of external threats and allow them to ignore the real threats to their lives and more importantly to the lives of their children born and as yet unborn. Somehow there is a deep problem with a society that is blind to its own faults while recognising the flaws only in others.

Welcome to the U.S. of NRA.

 

[dmelosi]

For every 17 US citizens killed by terrorists in 2015 11,100+ were killed by guns (not counting suicides) in the USA. (Source FBI statistics) The threat therefore LOGICALLY to life comes more from internal weapons than external terrorists. But since when did facts get in the way of feelings in US politics. Terrify the people with fear of external threats and allow them to ignore the real threats to their lives and more importantly to the lives of their children born and as yet unborn. Somehow there is a deep problem with a society that is blind to its own faults while recognising the flaws only in others.

So you think that outlawing guns will keep them from the criminals? LOGICALLY that is a fact you didn’t want to mention.

1. Seventy-eight percent of all shooting deaths are drug-, gang- or other criminal-related incidents committed with unregistered guns wielded by non-licensed criminals.
2. Eight percent are shootings by police or security personnel.
3. Less than 1 percent are shootings by legal gun owners committing a crime.
4. Six percent are legal gun owners protecting life, limb and property (homeowners, shop owners, etc.).
5. Eight percent are miscellaneous (suicide, hunting accidents, accidental discharges, etc.).

 

[YADA]

So why would you be opposed, then, to doing what Sy said: “Closing background check loopholes. Banning military style assault weapons”?

There are already background checks at gun shows and the military style assault weapon is merely a talking point that refererences the visuals …

Also while I am not a black helicopter radical …the reason we have an individual right to the ownership of “arms” is precisely due to the fact that the citizens of the original colonies rose up and faught against their government. The people rose up …

Do you not find it ironic that our government spends resources sending guns, ammunition and other munnition’s to people in other countries so they can overthrow their government while at the same time our government is working tirelessly to disarm it’s own citizens? Thankfully,…the Constitution gives individuals the right …not at the permission of the government but it’s guaranteed to the individual.

When will you care as much for the thousands of innocent lives lost to the abortionist as you do for the few lost to gun violence …will you stand on a corner in Chicago’s inner city and pray for and end to gang shootings, open your home to gang members and give them a safe ace to live …you say we don’t “do” anything but we actually do many things both through government programs and personally …you talk but don’t really act …what you want is to punish law abiding citizens for the illegal actions of a few.

 

[Geist]

It seems to me that sometimes gives us what we deserve, and not what we want. We have to ask an honest question: with the depth of sin the USA embraces every day, what is it that we deserve?

There are 330,000,000 citizens of the USA and we have a choice between Trump and Hillary. Think about that!

Truth be told I’ve sometimes thought to myself how dare we ask God to bless the United States when it’s so hostile to His will.

 

[Geist]

For every 17 US citizens killed by terrorists in 2015 11,100+ were killed by guns (not counting suicides) in the USA. (Source FBI statistics) The threat therefore LOGICALLY to life comes more from internal weapons than external terrorists. But since when did facts get in the way of feelings in US politics. Terrify the people with fear of external threats and allow them to ignore the real threats to their lives and more importantly to the lives of their children born and as yet unborn. Somehow there is a deep problem with a society that is blind to its own faults while recognising the flaws only in others.

I have enough guns to fight off a small army and they’ve yet to float about shooting people by themselves. It’s uncanny, almost as though they require a person to use them. Imagine that!

 

[YADA]

Funny, I would like the Republicans to take the same position on gun control as they do on abortion: respect for life trumps personal autonomy.

Unlike abortion where a constitutional protection was manufactured … the Second Amendment is clearly an individual right …

The Children in the Womb have had their right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness stripped from them -

What right are you wiling to cede?

Understand this - abortion kills people - it is currently state sanctioned execution of individuals without due process … innocent individuals who are not read their rights, condemned without a trial, no court appointed attorney … and its celebrated - people who kill their children are applauded and celebrated …

Does that not give you pause at all - even if you cannot grasp what the words “intrinsic evil” mean?

 

[dmelosi]

Interest statistics on which political affiliation causes the most gun violence.

frontpagemag.com/fpm/174003/gun-violence-not-republican-problem-its-democratic-daniel-greenfield

thelibertarianrepublic.com/guess-which-political-party-presides-over-the-most-crime-ridden-cities/

According to statistics on who causes deaths by guns, it is overwhelmingly those that obtain illegal guns and are not licensed to carry them.

I suggest that it is typical democratic thinking that big government/big brother knows best and that most democrats married to their party don’t want to get their hands dirty by disagreeing with their party.

 

[meteoric]

Jeanne S;14076457:

I think the Democrats will unite behind Hillary because they are truly terrified of the Republican candidate.

I can agree with that.

I don’t like Hillary, but I see her as another politican. If she’s elected, we get mostly status quo. Trump, bully, self contraditicting, speak before he thinks, bigot - I see as chaos and have no confidence that he won’t damage our foriegn relations, let alone get us involved in a war, and attempt to run over the constitution and laws of the country. This is the man, who when told that the miliary won’t follow the illegal orders that he stated he would give them, answered, “Oh yes they will!”

Tom A.

 

[7_Sorrows]

gracepoole;14076473:

I can agree with that.

I don’t like Hillary, but I see her as another politican. If she’s elected, we get mostly status quo. Trump, bully, self contraditicting, speak before he thinks, bigot - I see as chaos and have no confidence that he won’t damage our foriegn relations, let alone get us involved in a war, and attempt to run over the constitution and laws of the country. This is the man, who when told that the miliary won’t follow the illegal orders that he stated he would give them, answered, “Oh yes they will!”

Tom A.

do you have a link to your last statement?

for 8 years Obama has tried to run over the Constitution, but that didn’t seem to bother you?

Obama has damaged our foreign relations and look at the mess he and Hillary made in the Middle East.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

gracepoole;14076473:

I can agree with that.

I don’t like Hillary, but I see her as another politican. If she’s elected, we get mostly status quo. Trump, bully, self contraditicting, speak before he thinks, bigot - I see as chaos and have no confidence that he won’t damage our foriegn relations, let alone get us involved in a war, and attempt to run over the constitution and laws of the country. This is the man, who when told that the miliary won’t follow the illegal orders that he stated he would give them, answered, “Oh yes they will!”

Tom A.

He is a greater danger for US and the world than Hillary. There is no telling what he will do. I cannot believe people would even consider voting for him. He will do what he wants to do for his own advantage regardless of what Republicans or Democrates want. He proclaims himself a savior with no rules other than his own. Woe are we when the only other main option is Hillary. I don’t know who I will vote for. It may be a write in. But I will have no part in either of these two.:dts:

 

[meteoric]

Guns and life are not diametrically opposed to each other.
Now of course the left would like for Republicans to take the same side of the issue as they do. And for their part, Republicans would actually like Catholic leftist to take the position of the unborn. To the extent that Republicans take the position of the left though, they would no longer really be Repulicans. They would be leftists.
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What I find funny about this comment is that the Clintons would be right of Nixon on a number of positions. The “center” has moved, as has the left and right.

And to the poster who demanded that others not say that conservatives don’t care for children after they’re born, I can reply that liberals can support support Democrats for other reasons than “to guarantee unrestricted abortion.”

Tom A.
Not a single issue voter, who even if abortion was the only issue doesn’t believe that Trump is anti-abortion.

 

[meteoric]

meteoric;14077965:

do you have a link to your last statement?

for 8 years Obama has tried to run over the Constitution, but that didn’t seem to bother you?

Obama has damaged our foreign relations and look at the mess he and Hillary made in the Middle East.

Links for the last statement:

redstate.com/moe_lane/2016/03/04/war-crimes-donald-trump-illegal-orders/
and
patriotpost.us/posts/41102

There are more.

How about some links to your accusation of Obama. The only things I can think of that might fit that category are executive orders, which is not unconstitutional in themselves, but could be, and those were struck down by the court, which is not proof that he was trying to run over the constitution, just that his lawyers didn’t get it right. And the other thing would be the second admendment, which, despite all the ads sent out by the NRA that Obama is trying to take away our guns, he has never done.

As for the Middle East, having watched that situation for 45 years, the only American that has had any positive impact on it in all that time has been Pres. Jimmy Carter. There has never been a chance at peace there that Israel or the Arabs haven’t screwed up with or without American involvement. Unless you are talking about the Iran treaty, which I think is a great opening and probably the only option besides another Middle East war that would have stopped the Iranians from achieving nuclear weapons.

Tom A.

 

[7_Sorrows]

meteoric;14077965:

He is a greater danger for US and the world than Hillary. There is no telling what he will do. I cannot believe people would even consider voting for him. He will do what he wants to do for his own advantage regardless of what Republicans or Democrates want. He proclaims himself a savior with no rules other than his own. Woe are we when the only other main option is Hillary. I don’t know who I will vote for. It may be a write in. But I will have no part in either of these two.:dts:

I always reflect back on the secret meeting on the tarmac of the Phoenix airport between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch. the Clintons live by their own rules - multiple servers, deleted e-mails.
Trump has not lived a political life. he is going against Hillary who is bought and paid for by Wall Street and George Soros. I have no problem not voting for Hillary and supporting Donald.

 

[meteoric]

Also while I am not a black helicopter radical …the reason we have an individual right to the ownership of “arms” is precisely due to the fact that the citizens of the original colonies rose up and faught against their government. The people rose up …

Then you support the shooter in Dallas who killed the police? That was one of the people rising up against their government.

Tom A.
Who used to point out to anarchists that their utopia was 1970’s Lebanon.

 

[dmelosi]

Then you support the shooter in Dallas who killed the police? That was one of the people rising up against their government.

Tom A.
Who used to point out to anarchists that their utopia was 1970’s Lebanon.

What an utterly silly statement about supporting the shooter in Dallas.

 

[YADA]

Then you support the shooter in Dallas who killed the police? That was one of the people rising up against their government.

Tom A.
Who used to point out to anarchists that their utopia was 1970’s Lebanon.

That sir is ridiculous - I do not support murder - of people living in gang infested inner cities nor of the police who defend us from criminals - criminals like the shooter in Dallas …

Read and study a little history - you will understand the difference between what the people rising up against a tyrannical government looks like … and the murderous shooter in Dallas.

But I defend your right to make ignorant statements like the above.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

…the Clintons live by their own rules - multiple servers, deleted e-mails.

It is Trump who lives by his own rules. He stiffs contractors who worked on his real estate developments. Some went out of business as a consequence. He was sued for racial discrimination in housing rentals in New York. He used every form of intimidation to get renters to leave building he bought so he could tear it down and build luxury condominiums (He lost that battle, and the building still stands today.) He oversaw four bankruptcies, declaring he was just “playing the game”. He hired 200 undocumented Polish workers to tear down the Bonwit Teller store. The workers didn’t wear hard hats and often slept at the site. When the workers complained about their back pay, they were allegedly threatened with deportation. In 1990 he used an illegal loan from his father to try to keep the Taj Mahal casino afloat. Trump was also fined for keeping black employees away from mafioso Robert LiButti’s gambling table. He was also fined for buying LiButti nine luxury cars. In 2000 he was fined for illegally trying to prevent an Indian casino from opening in the Catskills, for fear it would compete against his Atlantic City casinos. In 1986, while attempting a hostile takeover of two casino companies, Holiday and Bally, Trump was fined by the Federal Trade Commission for failing to disclose his purchase of stock in those two companies. Trump made money selling his name to time share developers. When those developers got sued, Trump claimed no responsibility.

All I can say is “ugh!”