Democratic Party Convention General Thread

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queenofheartscv said:
Chelsea’s speech was boring and bland, as was Hillary’s. And I’m being very civil.
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Chelsea was definitely speaking very carefully. it was obvious she had spent time preparing how to deliver the speech.
they make a big deal of Hillary being a grandmother, but Trump is also a grandfather. obviously, for the Clintons there is so much at stake here. Hillary has been waiting for this moment for a long time and somehow feels she is entitled for this.
 
7_Sorrows said:
the choice is a rotten apple or a green apple as far as politics go.
Trump couldn’t believe how republicans behaved - wait until he faces Hillary.
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Trump says he is now “taking off the gloves” to battle Hillary: “No more Mr. nice guy.” Is he serious? Does he really believe he was Mr. nice guy before, or is this another example of Trumpian humor?
 
meltzerboy said:
Trump says he is now “taking off the gloves” to battle Hillary: “No more Mr. nice guy.” Is he serious? Does he really believe he was Mr. nice guy before, or is this another example of Trumpian humor?
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They are in the final stretch. If he takes the gloves off, I just hope he uses good sense. I don’t think either Donald or Hillary take criticism too well. Astrologically speaking, their signs are next to one another. Hillary precedes him. Scorpio/Sagitarius.They actually might be sensitive to one another when meeting on the same stage. Interesting dynamics in relation to male/female also. I will be looking forward to their first debate. Donald has a lot of work to do because she will always tout her political experience over his lack of political experience.
 
meltzerboy said:
Trump says he is now “taking off the gloves” to battle Hillary: “No more Mr. nice guy.” Is he serious? Does he really believe he was Mr. nice guy before, or is this another example of Trumpian humor?
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I hope he uses good sense if he takes the gloves off. Neither seem to handle criticism well.
 
I think during the debates, Trump will have many “Jack Nicholson in a few good men” moments and lose his cool, his train of thought and attack plan. And of course this means he will speak off the cuff as his supporters love, but the sheer spectacle of him flying off the handle will further show how “unpresidential” he actually is, if that’s even possible.

For Hillary to win she merely has to keep her cool and not get angry, something that Trump will not be able to do in my opinion.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Interesting article from somebody who presumably is Catholic since Aleteia is a Catholic website, and his story about him recently leaving the Democratic Party: aleteia.org/2016/07/29/the-week-i-left-the-democratic-party/

The following article was published in March… obviously since the Democratic platform is the way it is, they didn’t listen to advice like this which may have benefited the party if they had: washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/03/21/democrats-could-destroy-the-gop-if-only-they-would-welcome-antiabortion-liberals/
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An interesting juxtaposition of articles. In the first one the author writes of the exact moment when he decided to leave the Democratic party.

It happened while listening to the president of NARAL speak to the convention about her own abortion. Because it was not the right time to have a family. “I don’t know why she felt she wasn’t ready to have a child,” he writes. “That’s not my story to tell. It’s hers. What I know is that I listened as those on the convention floor lustily cheered her right to get an abortion because it was the wrong time to have a family.” That child was aborted; choice was celebrated and cheered, and the author left the Democratic party.

The second article notes that the Democratic party could be unstoppable if only it welcomed pro-life liberals. But it does not. It has room for a lot of interest groups, but no room at all for those who are pro-life. Unborn children are expendable and so are pro-life liberals.
 
7_Sorrows said:
and lots of propaganda. away from the noise, bright lights, celebrities and all the hoopla, we are left with reality. focus on reality, not the propaganda of last week.
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Well Michael Bloomberg did explain that Hillary understands this whole running for President thing and afterwards having the capability and temperament to serve in the office is not reality TV but instead is reality.
 
openmind77 said:
I am just curious about something - Italy is predominantly Catholic (90% Catholic) with the Vatican actually within its borders. However abortion is legal and is available free - funded I suppose by the government.

Why has not the Vatican tried to do something about it? Why worry about the Hyde amendment when Italy where 90% are Catholic allows government funding?

Shouldn’t the prolife movement be concentrating its efforts on Italy?
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I do not vote in Italy - I am an American - [as as a conservative I only vote once - not from the grave and not early and often as in Chicago 😉 ]

In America - with Roe V Wade and Doe V Bolton we have defacto unlimited abortion from conception until birth [and thanks to the Democrats - even partial birth abortion - a particularly heinous procedure]

Italy has more restrictions on abortion than we do … so this is really a straw man question …

I fight abortion, the abortion mentality and the exporting of abortion overseas - which is one protection the Hyde Amendment offers …

And for the record - I have housed and cared for a single mother and her child for several years in my own home [at zero American Tax payer expense]. I support the Father Taaffe Foundation ccswv.org/father-taaffes-legacy-continues-st-monica-apartments/ ] and have for decades …

I have provided women and families in need with the means to keep children rather than abort. I and my family support adoption - in action … I have a relative that was conceived as a result of rape and his wife, children and grandchildren are glad his mother chose life - his employees too for that matter. I have a cousin by adoption who was a child of incest. I give thanks for her life as does her husband, children and grandchildren -

So please do not trot out the accusation that people only care for the children until they are born and then abandon them - That is patently false.
 
meltzerboy said:
Trump says he is now “taking off the gloves” to battle Hillary: “No more Mr. nice guy.” Is he serious? Does he really believe he was Mr. nice guy before, or is this another example of Trumpian humor?
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Maybe tomorrow there will be a press conference when he will say he was just joking and being humorous.
 
Strydersroom said:
I think during the debates, Trump will have many “Jack Nicholson in a few good men” moments and lose his cool, his train of thought and attack plan. And of course this means he will speak off the cuff as his supporters love, but the sheer spectacle of him flying off the handle will further show how “unpresidential” he actually is, if that’s even possible.

For Hillary to win she merely has to keep her cool and not get angry, something that Trump will not be able to do in my opinion.
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Exactly.
 
gracepoole said:
Trump is his own propaganda. The Democrats only need play back his own comments.
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Right. Plenty of comments from the primary. The pro-Clinton ad showing various instances of Trump speaking and mocking and showing children watching him, I think is a very powerful one.
 
YADA said:
I do not vote in Italy - I am an American - [as as a conservative I only vote once - not from the grave and not early and often as in Chicago 😉 ]

In America - with Roe V Wade and Doe V Bolton we have defacto unlimited abortion from conception until birth [and thanks to the Democrats - even partial birth abortion - a particularly heinous procedure]

Italy has more restrictions on abortion than we do … so this is really a straw man question …

I fight abortion, the abortion mentality and the exporting of abortion overseas - which is one protection the Hyde Amendment offers …

And for the record - I have housed and cared for a single mother and her child for several years in my own home [at zero American Tax payer expense]. I support the Father Taaffe Foundation ccswv.org/father-taaffes-legacy-continues-st-monica-apartments/ ] and have for decades …

I have provided women and families in need with the means to keep children rather than abort. I and my family support adoption - in action … I have a relative that was conceived as a result of rape and his wife, children and grandchildren are glad his mother chose life - his employees too for that matter. I have a cousin by adoption who was a child of incest. I give thanks for her life as does her husband, children and grandchildren -

So please do not trot out the accusation that people only care for the children until they are born and then abandon them - That is patently false.
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Bravo
 
Strydersroom said:
I think during the debates, Trump will have many “Jack Nicholson in a few good men” moments and lose his cool, his train of thought and attack plan. And of course this means he will speak off the cuff as his supporters love, but the sheer spectacle of him flying off the handle will further show how “unpresidential” he actually is, if that’s even possible.

For Hillary to win she merely has to keep her cool and not get angry, something that Trump will not be able to do in my opinion.
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I can see this happening if he doesn’t first try to duck the debates.
 
Ridgerunner said:
There is some truth to this.

Trump can come across, to those of us who consider ourselves refined and urbane, as an intolerable boor. He seems pretty free of ideology of any kind, and so nearly anything can be attributed to him. As a billionaire, he can be accused of being acquisitive and a participant in the sharp-elbowed world serious business really is. And, he can be accused of being a Presbyterian, with the unattractively relaxed moral system that church teaches.

Beyond that, though, he is really not a whole lot more than a man whose life has centered around getting goals accomplished, however little some of us might think of those goals. And he has done it quite well if one looks at the results.

And, not being ideological, one is not foolish in thinking he probably will do exactly what he says about supreme court appointments. If he expects re-election, he’ll have no choice. And, having no small amount of experience in delivering practical things on time and under budget, one can reasonably expect him to approach the economy and bloat of government in that way.

But you know, people of any intelligence who support Hillary Clinton can’t fail to know what she is; a warmonger, a person with extraordinary cruel instincts, a person who sells influence, a total supporter of abortion on demand, and an utter failure at foreign policy. They can’t fail to know that.

And so, where’s the attraction? Well, in all of that, there is only one thing any significant number of people want a candidate to do as president. To me, it’s Clinton’s most unattractive feature.
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You are attempting to characterize Trump’s drawbacks in a manner that is different from the drawbacks that others have mentioned. Therefore it is a kind of strawman argument, where you mischaracterize your opponent’s argument to make it easier to refute. Instead you should try to find excuses for these drawbacks. And at the same time, you try to pass off as fact, claims about Hillary that are only held by those who hate her.
 
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