Democratic Party Convention General Thread

[openmind77]

I do not vote in Italy - I am an American - [as as a conservative I only vote once - not from the grave and not early and often as in Chicago ]

In America - with Roe V Wade and Doe V Bolton we have defacto unlimited abortion from conception until birth [and thanks to the Democrats - even partial birth abortion - a particularly heinous procedure]

Italy has more restrictions on abortion than we do … so this is really a straw man question …

I fight abortion, the abortion mentality and the exporting of abortion overseas - which is one protection the Hyde Amendment offers …

And for the record - I have housed and cared for a single mother and her child for several years in my own home [at zero American Tax payer expense]. I support the Father Taaffe Foundation ccswv.org/father-taaffes-legacy-continues-st-monica-apartments/ ] and have for decades …

I have provided women and families in need with the means to keep children rather than abort. I and my family support adoption - in action … I have a relative that was conceived as a result of rape and his wife, children and grandchildren are glad his mother chose life - his employees too for that matter. I have a cousin by adoption who was a child of incest. I give thanks for her life as does her husband, children and grandchildren -

So please do not trot out the accusation that people only care for the children until they are born and then abandon them - That is patently false.

I was really just talking about the funding of abortion and the Hyde amendment (not so much abortion itself).

If the Vatican does not do much about government funding of abortion in Italy, why is it such a critical thing in the US? Other countries in Europe have a similar policy as Italy.

All that the amendment does, is put a burden on poor women, it does not affect middle class and upper class women at all.

 

[wild_thing]

An interesting juxtaposition of articles. In the first one the author writes of the exact moment when he decided to leave the Democratic party.

It happened while listening to the president of NARAL speak to the convention about her own abortion. Because it was not the right time to have a family. “I don’t know why she felt she wasn’t ready to have a child,” he writes. “That’s not my story to tell. It’s hers. What I know is that I listened as those on the convention floor lustily cheered her right to get an abortion because it was the wrong time to have a family.” That child was aborted; choice was celebrated and cheered, and the author left the Democratic party.

The second article notes that the Democratic party could be unstoppable if only it welcomed pro-life liberals. But it does not. It has room for a lot of interest groups, but no room at all for those who are pro-life. Unborn children are expendable and so are pro-life liberals.

That just chills my heart. Nobody wins in this election. Nobody. And certainly not the most vulnerable among us. Their blood cries up to God from the ground.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I do not vote in Italy - I am an American - [as as a conservative I only vote once - not from the grave and not early and often as in Chicago ]

In America - with Roe V Wade and Doe V Bolton we have defacto unlimited abortion from conception until birth [and thanks to the Democrats - even partial birth abortion - a particularly heinous procedure]

Italy has more restrictions on abortion than we do … so this is really a straw man question …

I fight abortion, the abortion mentality and the exporting of abortion overseas - which is one protection the Hyde Amendment offers …

And for the record - I have housed and cared for a single mother and her child for several years in my own home [at zero American Tax payer expense]. I support the Father Taaffe Foundation ccswv.org/father-taaffes-legacy-continues-st-monica-apartments/ ] and have for decades …

I have provided women and families in need with the means to keep children rather than abort. I and my family support adoption - in action … I have a relative that was conceived as a result of rape and his wife, children and grandchildren are glad his mother chose life - his employees too for that matter. I have a cousin by adoption who was a child of incest. I give thanks for her life as does her husband, children and grandchildren -

So please do not trot out the accusation that people only care for the children until they are born and then abandon them - That is patently false.

I can’t speak in regard to you personally of course, but generally I’d like to see “pro life” Republicans also start caring about the lives of our children and stand up to the gun lobby and NRA and start trying to do something about gun violence instead of doing nothing. No fly. No buy. Closing background check loopholes. Banning military style assault weapons. Caring about climate change. About drinking water in Flint MI. About child care and healthcare and so forth. More than just abortion and adoption.

 

[Al_Moritz]

I can’t speak in regard to you personally of course, but generally I’d like to see “pro life” Republicans also start caring about the lives of our children and stand up to the gun lobby and NRA and start trying to do something about gun violence instead of doing nothing. No fly. No buy. Closing background check loopholes. Banning military style assault weapons. Caring about climate change. About drinking water in Flint MI. About child care and healthcare and so forth. More than just abortion and adoption.

Exactly.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

They will absolutely unite behind Hillary Clinton because no other candidate guarantees a Supreme Court that supports abortion on demand.

I keep seeing that phrase but I don’t quite think I understand it. What is “abortion on demand.” What differentiates if from an abortion that is not “on demand?”

 

[Jeanne_S]

I keep seeing that phrase but I don’t quite think I understand it. What is “abortion on demand.” What differentiates if from an abortion that is not “on demand?”

Unrestricted abortion…

 

[ThinkingSapien]

No fly. No buy.

On one hand I don’t think the no fly list is the best list to go by. There is some one on the no fly list with a name similar but not identical to my brother. My brother works for an airline. He got frequent false positives and it had caused problems.

On the other hand in trying not to let “good” be the enemy of “perfect” it would be an action with an effect. That’s more than what has happened thus far.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Unrestricted abortion…

Thanks, that description sounds more meaningful to me. I’ve still got questions about the restrictions (or lack of them) but will save them for another thread and another day.

 

[Thorolfr]

I keep seeing that phrase but I don’t quite think I understand it. What is “abortion on demand.” What differentiates if from an abortion that is not “on demand?”

I don’t know why it is assumed by many people here in CAF that Democrats “will absolutely unite behind Hillary Clinton because no other candidate guarantees a Supreme Court that supports abortion on demand.” There are lots of other reasons that many people will support Hillary Clinton besides her stance on abortion. LGBT people and their allies, for example, will support her because she is more likely to protect LGBT rights than what Donald Trump would. Or people who are concerned about global warming are far more likely to support Hillary than Mr. Trump because the latter apparently considers global warming to be a hoax. All Democrats are not single issue voters who are only or even primarily concerned about allowing abortion.

 

[gracepoole]

I don’t know why it is assumed by many people here in CAF that Democrats “will absolutely unite behind Hillary Clinton because no other candidate guarantees a Supreme Court that supports abortion on demand.” There are lots of other reasons that many people will support Hillary Clinton besides her stance on abortion. LGBT people and their allies, for example, will support her because she is more likely to protect LGBT rights than what Donald Trump would. Or people who are concerned about global warming are far more likely to support Hillary than Mr. Trump because the latter apparently considers global warming to be a hoax. All Democrats are not single issue voters who are only or even primarily concerned about allowing abortion.

Right. On both sides of the aisle, the majority of voters consider these issues of greatest significance: terrorism and national security, economy, employment and jobs, healthcare and the ACA.

gallup.com/poll/188918/democrats-republicans-agree-four-top-issues-campaign.aspx

 

[meltzerboy]

I don’t know why it is assumed by many people here in CAF that Democrats “will absolutely unite behind Hillary Clinton because no other candidate guarantees a Supreme Court that supports abortion on demand.” There are lots of other reasons that many people will support Hillary Clinton besides her stance on abortion. LGBT people and their allies, for example, will support her because she is more likely to protect LGBT rights than what Donald Trump would. Or people who are concerned about global warming are far more likely to support Hillary than Mr. Trump because the latter apparently considers global warming to be a hoax. All Democrats are not single issue voters who are only or even primarily concerned about allowing abortion.

Since this is a Catholic Forum, abortion is a primary issue. It should not be assumed, however, that it is a major issue for everyone, including many Catholics.

Another reason some may be voting for Hillary is, as I have noticed, a new tack by some Democrats to portray Trump as not only dangerous because of his lack of experience but actually disturbed. The co-author ghostwriter of his “Art of the Deal,” Tony Schwartz, goes so far as to say Trump is a man without a soul or conscience, a megalomaniac. That is very close to saying he is a sociopath. I myself have suggested he may have a narcissistic personality disorder. Thus Hillary may be the candidate by default for those voters who perceive Trump as irrational and emotionally disturbed.

 

[YADA]

I can’t speak in regard to you personally of course, but generally I’d like to see “pro life” Republicans also start caring about the lives of our children and stand up to the gun lobby and NRA and start trying to do something about gun violence instead of doing nothing. No fly. No buy. Closing background check loopholes. Banning military style assault weapons. Caring about climate change. About drinking water in Flint MI. About child care and healthcare and so forth. More than just abortion and adoption.

I do not think you know anything about conservatives except what the talking points say …We are out there helping people … we pay our taxes we support many programs … but throwing money at problems is not the best - and there are limits.

Really = I would like the democrats to take the same position on gun control as as they do abortion …

Don’t like abortion, don’t have one … equates to Don’t like guns, don’t buy one.

I am personally opposed to abortion but I can’t impose my beliefs on others.
I am personally opposed to owning a gun but I cant impose my beliefs on others.

Its a fact that abortion ends a child’s life - its a fact that abortion is intended to end a child’s life … the purpose of abortion is to kill each and every time one is performed.

Guns are used each and every day for purposes other than to kill or maim.

I own many guns, I am permitted to conceal carry - I have never killed anyone - threatened anyone, aimed a gun at anyone. I am not a nut case.

I served my country and have taken the oath to protect and serve three times in my life - and I meant it every time . I pledged

“I, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

My father was a gun smith [and highly decorated WWII vet - who helped liberate Europe from a gun confiscating regime - who murdered millions in a genocide] … A gun is a tool … a gun can be used for sport, hunting, self defense … And like many other inanimate objects used to harm others and self …

Abortion kills far more children every year - innocent - by magnitudes more than guns in in the hands of American citizens - even including gun violence by criminal elements.

In Oregon over 10,000 children die at the hands of abortionists each year alone … the numbers are staggering and I realize hard for you to grasp - these children are not criminals - their mothers are not marching in the streets chanting “Hands up don’t shoot” after they robbed a convenience store and assaulted a policeman …

You are not speaking for them -

Someone has to speak for the children that are being slaughtered …

Flint Michigan is run by the democratic party - the water issue there will take down many politicians of both parties but the local Democrats were in control and have been for years - and failing poorly because liberal policies are about pandering for votes and failing the people.

 

[Thorolfr]

Guns are used each and every day for purposes other than to kill or maim.

I own many guns, I am permitted to conceal carry - I have never killed anyone - threatened anyone, aimed a gun at anyone. I am not a nut case.

I served my country and have taken the oath to protect and serve three times in my life - and I meant it every time . I pledged

My father was a gun smith [and highly decorated WWII vet - who helped liberate Europe from a gun confiscating regime - who murdered millions in a genocide] … A gun is a tool … a gun can be used for sport, hunting, self defense … And like many other inanimate objects used to harm others and self …

So why would you be opposed, then, to doing what Sy said: “Closing background check loopholes. Banning military style assault weapons”?

 

[7_Sorrows]

Trump is his own propaganda. The Democrats only need play back his own comments.

if that were the case, the democrats wouldn’t have needed to portray him in such a negative way and attack him at their convention.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Well Michael Bloomberg did explain that Hillary understands this whole running for President thing and afterwards having the capability and temperament to serve in the office is not reality TV but instead is reality.

I am talking about the reality about how she was proven to have lied about the e-mails and servers. and so much other baggage she would just like to sweep under the rug. she definitely feels like she deserves special treatment.

 

[Thorolfr]

When Mr. Trump said recently about one of the speakers at the Democratic convention, “I was going to hit one guy in particular, a very little guy…I was going to hit this guy so hard his head would spin and he wouldn’t know what the hell happened. He came out of nowhere!”, he was apparently talking about Michael Bloomberg (who is short), his fellow New York City billionaire (although Mr. Blumberg is worth about $40 billion dollars, more than four times and probably up to 13 times more than Mr. Trump). Mr. Trump then tweeted about Mr. Blumberg: “Little” Michael Bloomberg, who never had the guts to run for president, knows nothing about me. His last term as Mayor was a disaster!"

It’s strange that he would say this about Mr. Blumberg’s last term as Mayor since he had earlier tweeted about his last term as Mayor: “Mike Bloomberg is doing a great job as Mayor of New York City” and another time he tweeted: “You have been a great Mayor…I mean this guy is FANTASTIC”.

But I guess that what Michael Blumberg said about Mr. Trump at the convention really got under his skin…

 

[Darryl1958]

Trump is full of bombast. He figures that it makes him sound all masculine and macho.

The crowds that opposed Trump at his rallies were the truly violent ones though.

 

[7_Sorrows]

When Mr. Trump said recently about one of the speakers at the Democratic convention, “I was going to hit one guy in particular, a very little guy…I was going to hit this guy so hard his head would spin and he wouldn’t know what the hell happened. He came out of nowhere!”, he was apparently talking about Michael Bloomberg (who is short), his fellow New York City billionaire (although Mr. Blumberg is worth about $40 billion dollars, more than four times and probably up to 13 times more than Mr. Trump). Mr. Trump then tweeted about Mr. Blumberg: “Little” Michael Bloomberg, who never had the guts to run for president, knows nothing about me. His last term as Mayor was a disaster!"

It’s strange that he would say this about Mr. Blumberg’s last term as Mayor since he had earlier tweeted about his last term as Mayor: “Mike Bloomberg is doing a great job as Mayor of New York City” and another time he tweeted: “You have been a great Mayor…I mean this guy is FANTASTIC”.

But I guess that what Michael Blumberg said about Mr. Trump at the convention really got under his skin…

michael bloomberg has been a democrat, republican and is now an independent I think. michael bloomberg has a personality that would get underneath anyone’s skin. personally, I wouldn’t trust Bloomberg to be my mayor or senator or governor.

 

[Thorolfr]

michael bloomberg has been a democrat, republican and is now an independent I think. michael bloomberg has a personality that would get underneath anyone’s skin. personally, I wouldn’t trust Bloomberg to be my mayor or senator or governor.

Donald Trump has also been both a Democrat and a Republican, has donated money to candidates of both parties and has two children who are independents. So I’m not sure why you are criticizing Mr. Bloomberg for having belonged to more than one party. Interestingly, a poll conducted in March in New York state showed Mr. Bloomberg beating Mr. Trump in a three-way contest with Bloomberg running as an independent while in New York City, Mr. Bloomberg got nearly twice as much support.

siena.edu/assets/files/news/SNY0316N_Crosstabs.pdf

 

[Expatreprocedit]

Really = I would like the democrats to take the same position on gun control as as they do abortion …

Funny, I would like the Republicans to take the same position on gun control as they do on abortion: respect for life trumps personal autonomy.