Democrats Block Senate Coronavirus Package

[dvdjs]

Glad to hear the Dems are listening to our a president on this matter.Now they just need to quit playing their political games and get this relief package done.

I think that they are in agreement. McConnell has to get on board so that the package gives relief where it is needed.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

You defend the purveyors of abortion the way someone would defend the Nazis burning Jews, Catholics and homosexuals. Both acts are equal in their evil gravity. It is kind of hard to see past that.

Sadly, all the democrats would have to do for many authentic Catholics is abandon their defense of abortion and fake gay non-marriage, and they’d put so many more of us in a quandary and in their corner.

But we all know they won’t. Once satan gets rolling downhill, he is hard to stop.

 

[Maximus1]

Overplaying raises another unfortunate.
Pitting families against each other

 

[Maximus1]

If you can’t deal with the specific issue, maybe it is time to not fall back on the unborn to compensate for the specific narrow deficiency.
You can’t look past abortion because you lack positions that actually address the specific issues discussed involving the born. And that has to be ironic in a faith where all 4 Gospels only speak to the born.

 

[dvdjs]

Other issues with McConnell’s bill:
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The secret slush fund is absurd.
What is the possible rationale for that?

Let’s get a good bill and get moving.

 

[billsherman]

I think a major problem with the bill is the secrecy of the bailouts. The bill, as currently written, allows the Treasury Department to dole out $450 billion in grants and loans and then withhold the names of the companies that receive them until AFTER the election. I don’t know about you, but I think the public has a right to know where its money goes. Plus, this looks like a rather obvious attempt to protect Trump’s personal interests - his companies will obvious take a big hit here, and this bill will prevent voters from knowing if he got bailed out by a law he signed. That’s not cool.

"Another provision in the bill Democrats oppose would allow Mnuchin to delay publicly releasing the names of businesses that receive a bailout, as well as the amounts of those loans, for six months. "

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coronavirus-senate-relief-bill_n_5e77d45fc5b63c3b6492a6a6

 

[dvdjs]

I think a major problem with the bill is the secrecy of the bailouts.

Yes. This is poison.

 

[puer.dei]

Our president brings his business acumen into this .As he stated yesterday we need to keep business’ afloat in order to keep people employed.He sees the bigger picture,as well as the need for immediate relief for those who had their jobs pulled out from beneath the.

And even he said “I want money to be used for workers and keeping businesses open, not buybacks,” the president said, adding that he is “strongly recommending a buyback exclusion.”
But the Democrats are the bad guys for wanting the bill to enforce that. Right.

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

Boeing spent $43bn on buybacks from 2013-19. Think they could have stood up a total redesign of the 737 for that kind of money?

I’d would ok business bailouts on three conditions: (1), these are loans with complete visibility as to the recipients, the amounts loaned and the repayment terms; (2), no stock buybacks for five years or until bailout loans are repaid in full, whichever occurs later; (3), current stock options have a clawback provision in them that covers the top five executive officers and the board of directors for each of the past five years. I would also add a provision that using debt to fund a buyback is banned permanently.

I see a groundswell around the nation. Most common folk on both sides of the aisle were disgusted with the bailouts that took place in 2008-09. That’s not so long ago hence most of us still remember and will vote accordingly this November. Republicans had better stand down on the current bill or they will lose the Senate and will not stand a chance of regaining the House even if Trump gets reelected. Cue impeachment part 2 if that happens. Trump knows this. I already contacted my Representative and my Senator. Everyone needs to do the same.

 

[DENNYINMI]

he secret slush fund is absurd.
What is the possible rationale for that?

An election year? Just a hunch.

If trickle down were a reality vs a pipe-dream talking point, there’d be no reason whatsoever to have a concern about stock buy backs. See how that works?

We need protection from the virus as much as from our law makers.

 

[Victoria33]

I saw this editorial this morning, there’s a whole lot more to this than talking about bailouts:

Think about it…the Democratic Party is using the crisis created by the Chinese Communist Party as a weapon to communize the United States of America.

Via senior GOP aide, Schumer/Pelosi now pushing these demands amid pandemic-fueled economic collapse:

1. Unprecedented collective bargaining powers for unions
2. Increased fuel emissions standards for airlines
3. Expansion of wind and solar tax credits

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) March 23, 2020

UPDATE: DEMOCRATS HOLD AMERICA HOSTAGE FOR SOCIALISM! - CDM - Human Reporters • Not Machines

DEMOCRATS HOLD AMERICA HOSTAGE FOR SOCIALISM! Collective Cargaining Powers Desried Alone Will forever Alter Fabric Of America,

creativedestructionmedia.com

 

[Victoria33]

They are the voice of families they don’t kill in the womb, yes. Great people.

Agree, no Democrat should ever think they speak for some moral position on this topic, they are bereft of morality. They have no credibility. I’m surprised, it would even be an issue.

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

I wouldn’t mind knowing if Amazon would be required to comply with said union items. The Democrats’ previous iteration of the bill by which they applied sick and family leave requirements to small companies that they exempted large companies from does not give me much confidence.

Over on Twitter, both Cernovich and AOC agree that the emphasis on the first bill should be to get cash out to the workers asap and save the Boeing and the Democrat talking points for subsequent bills. I wouldn’t waste time on means testing now; just claw it back on next year’s tax returns depending on income. Rent and mortgage due on the 1st!

 

[billsherman]

I’m confused. It is socialism to support “Increased fuel emissions standards for airlines” and “expansion of wind and solar tax credits,” but not to give $450 Billion to corporations directly? Secretly, I might add, so that the public does not have to know how much goes to Trump owned corporations before the election.

I honestly have idea how the two things are really that different.

Also, saying that this crisis was “created by the Chinese Communist Party as a weapon to communize the United States of America” is unabashedly false at best, and downright racist at worst. We should be above that.

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

I’m confused. It is socialism to support “Increased fuel emissions standards for airlines” and “expansion of wind and solar tax credits,” but not to give $450 Billion to corporations directly? Secretly, I might add, so that the public does not have to know how much goes to Trump owned corporations before the election.

That’s not socialism, that’s corporate cronyism. Socialism would be if they actually controlled Boeing et al. Which we know they don’t.

Also, saying that this crisis was “created by the Chinese Communist Party as a weapon to communize the United States of America” is unabashedly false at best, and downright racist at worst. We should be above that.

Maybe it wasn’t created by the CCP, I’ll grant that. But given the CCP experience with Trump as contrasted to Biden, can you blame them for exploiting the crisis to get Trump gone? What is that saying among politicians “never let a crisis go to waste”?

 

[redal]

Seems Mitch wants only to be able to say he proposed something, even though it favored big business and offered less to those who needed it most…but he comes by it honestly…POTUS is living on his own accolades for restricting travel from China, and then doing nothing except spreading confusing messages and doing little after that.

Good Job, Mitch…now instead of slamming the Dems, reach across the aisle and compromise…a flawed bill instead of a well crafted one does as much harm as a CONVID-19 test that has too many false readings.

 

[redal]

Our president brings his business acumen into this

And that seems to be more of a liability than an asset at every turn.

He can’t sue a virus or negotiate until it gives up!..unless the virus says good things about him?

 

[billsherman]

That’s not socialism, that’s corporate cronyism. Socialism would be if they actually controlled Boeing et al. Which we know they don’t.

The article you posted says the following:

“The new collective bargaining powers alone detailed below will forever alter the fabric of America, installing socialism instead of a capitalistic economy.”

While I agree with you that nothing they are calling socialism, is actually socialism, I fail to see any meaningful difference between “Increased fuel emissions standards for airlines,” “expansion of wind and solar tax credits,” and giving $450 Billion to corporations directly.

Neither is socialism, and neither is substantially different than the other. They may all in theory provide a public benefit for a public investment. Or, perhaps, none of them will. They are two sides of the same coin, one is just supported by Republicans, and the other two by Democrats.

In my mind, the truly abhorrent idea in the bill is the secrecy clause. How can the public benefit by concealing the recipients? It can’t, the only beneficiary would be those who receive a bailout and get to conceal it until AFTER the election.

 

[JonNC]

Democrats are the advocates of non corporate America.
The voice of families.
Thank God for Democrats

So there are no families involved in corporations? Really?
So there are no Democrats involved in corporations? Really?

The dichotomy is laughable.

Or, it is this:

Pitting families against each other

Separating people “involved in corporations” from others is pitting families against each other.

 

[JanR]

Our president brings his business acumen into this .As he stated yesterday we need to keep business’ afloat in order to keep people employed.He sees the bigger picture,as well as the need for immediate relief for those who had their jobs pulled out from beneath the.Thank God for our president.

You can also thank the 2016 voters. Let’s hope they still have the good sense to re-elect him.