Democrats Promise to Stop Tax-Funded Abortion Ban in Senate

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Protecting abortion funding may be the Democrat’s chief political aim.
 
I work at a Catholic bookstore, and one book ther is titled, “can a Catholic be a democrat?” I think we all know the answer to that.
 
JackVk said:
I work at a Catholic bookstore, and one book ther is titled, “can a Catholic be a democrat?” I think we all know the answer to that.
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Well, some of us do, but many Catholic Democrats don’t. When the Church gets wrapped into a political party, things go wrong in the pews…
 
The Democrats are opposing a Republican stunt. There is no federal funding for abortion, so no need for the stupid legislation.

It is probably no surprise that I am a Democrat and a Catholic.
 
Alan55 said:
The Democrats are opposing a Republican stunt. There is no federal funding for abortion, so no need for the stupid legislation.

It is probably no surprise that I am a Democrat and a Catholic.
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I am not surprised anymore when people proudly point out that they are catholic and Democrat. The legislation would prevent the pro-abortion Democrats from passing bills that provide funding for abortions. And make no mistake, they will try if they think they can get away with it. The modern Democrat party is of, by, and for the abortion lobby. Its sickening.

Ishii
 
Alan55 said:
The Democrats are opposing a Republican stunt. There is no federal funding for abortion, so no need for the stupid legislation.

It is probably no surprise that I am a Democrat and a Catholic.
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So if there is no funding of abortion why would the Democrats block a bill stopping it?

I am a FORMER Democrat who had to leave the Party when they embraced the culture of death.
 
ishii said:
I am not surprised anymore when people proudly point out that they are catholic and Democrat. The legislation would prevent the pro-abortion Democrats from passing bills that provide funding for abortions. And make no mistake, they will try if they think they can get away with it. The modern Democrat party is of, by, and for the abortion lobby. Its sickening.

Ishii
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Planned Parenthood recieves 350 million dollars a year from the federal govt.
 
ishii said:
I am not surprised anymore when people proudly point out that they are catholic and Democrat. The legislation would prevent the pro-abortion Democrats from passing bills that provide funding for abortions. And make no mistake, they will try if they think they can get away with it. The modern Democrat party is of, by, and for the abortion lobby. Its sickening.

Ishii
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It’s very sickening, and more sickening yet to hear Catholics defend the party on the basis of other social issues. Life of the most innocent vs money for the poor, and they take the money over life.

Say you were protesting at an abortion clinic, and the “doctor” came out and said he will give a million dollars to the poor if you just go away and keep your anti-abortion beliefs to yourself and never protest again. What would you do? How many of you are in effect agreeing to this perverse, Satan-delighting bargain by excusing the Democrat party’s responsibility in the culture of death?
 
JimG said:
Protecting abortion funding may be the Democrat’s chief political aim.
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Why is it assumed that all democrats are pro abortion,and all promote a culture of death?
And all other party members are 100% pro life?
There is enough blame to go around and God knows the politicians in both******parties who slack off after the vote and do not work to overturn the Law,
I find it somewhat dangerous to admit in these threads, but I am a Dem and I do not want my tax share or anyone elses to go to get rid of innocence, or provide funds for an organization such as planned parenthood, Men and women who seek to abort their babies should be forced to pay the bill.
Peace, Carlan

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Carlan said:
Why is it assumed that all democrats are pro abortion,and all promote a culture of death?
And all other party members are 100% pro life?
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Carlan, no one is assuming that. No one is saying that.

What is absolutely clear beyond question is that Catholics are supporting candidates who refuse to protect life, and overwhelmingly, these are Democrats. It is what it is, and it’s an abomination.

If all Catholics refused to support Dem candidates who refuse to protect life, the party would change. We have the power to do that. They would lose some elections, then the candidates will either change their positions, or if they are die-hard for death, they will flee and form another party that will never send anybody to congress outside of maybe NYC and SanFran. Those defectors would be easily replaced by bunches switching from the GOP who are only there because they are pro-life and your party will not be hurting for membership or votes.
 
George_2007 said:
Carlan, no one is assuming that. No one is saying that.

What is absolutely clear beyond question is that Catholics are supporting candidates who refuse to protect life, and overwhelmingly, these are Democrats. It is what it is, and it’s an abomination.

If all Catholics refused to support Dem candidates who refuse to protect life, the party would change. We have the power to do that. They would lose some elections, then the candidates will either change their positions, or if they are die-hard for death, they will flee and form another party that will never send anybody to congress outside of maybe NYC and SanFran. Those defectors would be easily replaced by bunches switching from the GOP who are only there because they are pro-life and your party will not be hurting for membership or votes.
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As I have said before, over two years ago before election I wrote to then Senator Obama . I sent out three letters each one to his Chicago office, his Springfield office and his Washington DC office concerning his stand on abortion, I did not rec’ even one reply. I did not vote for him. I know other Catholic Dems who did not cast their vote for him. I believe there are many Catholic Dems who stand up for their conviction of the right to life.All should be careful of the broad brush.
What disturbs me George, Is that the politicians who come out so vehemently against Pro choice,before the vote, do not fight passionately for the over turn of the killing law after the vote, the voices seem to disappear until the next time. Nothing ever changes!🤷
Peace, Carlan
 
Carlan said:
Why is it assumed that all democrats are pro abortion,and all promote a culture of death?
And all other party members are 100% pro life?
There is enough blame to go around and God knows the politicians in both******parties who slack off after the vote and do not work to overturn the Law,
I find it somewhat dangerous to admit in these threads, but I am a Dem and I do not want my tax share or anyone elses to go to get rid of innocence, or provide funds for an organization such as planned parenthood, Men and women who seek to abort their babies should be forced to pay the bill.
Peace, Carlan
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There may individually be some pro-life Democrats, but the party platform is unequivocally pro-choice, and seems to become more so each election cycle. This has pretty much been the case ever since Governor Bob Casey (Sr) was denied a chance to speak at the 1992 Democratic National Convention. He wanted to give the minority (pro-life) view on the DNC’s platform. But the platform has been invariably pro abortion and pro abortion-funding ever since.

Republicans are not all pro-life, either, but vigorous pro-life candidates are hardly allowed in the Democratic Party. Witness the cave-in of pro-life Democrats when it came to the pro-life Stupak Amendment in the healthcare debate.
 
Carlan said:
As I have said before, over two years ago before election I wrote to then Senator Obama . I sent out three letters each one to his Chicago office, his Springfield office and his Washington DC office concerning his stand on abortion, I did not rec’ even one reply. I did not vote for him. I know other Catholic Dems who did not cast their vote for him. I believe there are many Catholic Dems who stand up for their conviction of the right to life.All should be careful of the broad brush.
What disturbs me George, Is that the politicians who come out so vehemently against Pro choice,before the vote, do not fight passionately for the over turn of the killing law after the vote, the voices seem to disappear until the next time. Nothing ever changes!🤷
Peace, Carlan
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That’s great that you didn’t vote for a candidate who refuses to protect life. Here’s my point - not nearly enough Catholics Dems do! If all (or even, say, 80-90%) of Dem Catholics did as you do, we’d be rid of legal abortion, or at least well on our way. It’s not a broad brush, it’s just statistics. It’s just the numbers. Millions of Catholics vote predominately Dem. Dems are predominantly pro-abortion. Those millions of votes are making a big difference in who is in congress and the white house. It is what it is. I am sorry if the implications of pointing this out is that some people may assume all Dems are pro-abortion.
 
Rather than broad-brush attacks against Democrats as the “party of death”, let’s look at the legislation itself, which was supposedly the point of this thread.

Since 1976, federal law has prohibited the use of taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions except in cases of rape, incest, and when the pregnancy endangers the life of the woman.

The “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act” sought to further restrict this prohibition by redefining “rape” to “forcible rape,” which would exclude, for example, statutory rape, rape involving the use of alcohol or “date rape” drugs, sex non-forcible sex with women with limited mental capacity, and so on. There has been some backtracking on this re-definition of “rape” after heavy criticism from a number of groups.

In addition, the legislation seeks to forbid the use of tax benefits to pay for abortions. Thus, a woman would not be able to use money from a tax-exempt health savings account (HSA) to pay for an abortion or to deduct the cost of an abortion or of any insurance that paid for it as a medican expense. There are fears that the bill would lead to the end of private health insurance coverage for abortion.

So, Democratic opposition to the bill is not an attempt to promote federal funding for abortion but an attempt to maintain the status quo, a legislative compromise that has been in place for 34 years. The posts above serious misrepresent the opposition to this bill.

A link to the Washinton Post, which provides more reliable information on the legislation:

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/31/AR2011013105755.html
 
Alan55 said:
Rather than broad-brush attacks against Democrats as the “party of death”, let’s look at the legislation itself, which was supposedly the point of this thread.
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It is absolutely inarguable that the Democratic party, as an institution, officially, supports abortion and fights to keep it leagal and prevent restrictions on it. Abortion = death - also irrefutable. It is what it is. If you are insulted at your party being referred to as the “party of death”, then I suggest working to change the reality I describe in my first sentence, or leaving the party.

Your party officially supports the greatest evil of our time. Come to grips with that.

Evil is supposed to be attacked. That’s what we do as Catholics. We fight evil. We don’t compromise with it. Abortion is evil. Supporting abortion is evil. Excusing support for abortion on the basis of other issues is evil. Status-quo compromises with evil are evil.
 
Alan55 said:
Rather than broad-brush attacks against Democrats as the “party of death”, let’s look at the legislation itself, which was supposedly the point of this thread.

Since 1976, federal law has prohibited the use of taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions except in cases of rape, incest, and when the pregnancy endangers the life of the woman.

The “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act” sought to further restrict this prohibition by redefining “rape” to “forcible rape,” which would exclude, for example, statutory rape, rape involving the use of alcohol or “date rape” drugs, sex non-forcible sex with women with limited mental capacity, and so on. There has been some backtracking on this re-definition of “rape” after heavy criticism from a number of groups.

In addition, the legislation seeks to forbid the use of tax benefits to pay for abortions. Thus, a woman would not be able to use money from a tax-exempt health savings account (HSA) to pay for an abortion or to deduct the cost of an abortion or of any insurance that paid for it as a medican expense. There are fears that the bill would lead to the end of private health insurance coverage for abortion.

So, Democratic opposition to the bill is not an attempt to promote federal funding for abortion but an attempt to maintain the status quo, a legislative compromise that has been in place for 34 years. The posts above serious misrepresent the opposition to this bill.

A link to the Washinton Post, which provides more reliable information on the legislation:

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/31/AR2011013105755.html
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The only misrepresentations being put out is by those opposing the bill.

When they say the Republicans are redefining rape the question must be asked redefining from what? As with any piece of legislation terms have to be defined and the problem with the current definition used by the Democrats is that"rape" is whatever a woman wants it to be. Accordingly if a woman says she was raped she need offer no proof whatsoever and is eligible for taxpayer funding. Republicans foolishly fell in the trap of trying to define exactly what constitutes rape for purposes of determining if one could receive funding because of rape. What they should do is just flat out say there will be no exceptions for rape or incest.

Similarly the hysterics about making women record as income monies they pay for abortion is flat-out false. What the bill does is prevent a medical deduction on one’s tax return for paying for abortion. That is admirable and should be supported by everyone who claims to be pro-life. We should also note that there is a whole slew of medical expenses that are not deductible as well as not allowed to be paid for out of one’s HSA. Iin fact very few people can take a deduction for the medical expenses anyway because first you have to itemize deductions and then can only deduct medical expenses that exceed seven and half percent of your adjusted gross income. It is laughable to believe that a woman who would be poor enough to qualify for public funding of her abortion would have enough deductions to itemize.

Of course no one seriously believes that if the so-called problems with the bill were removed that the Democrats would suddenly support it. After all the Democrat Party platform calls for unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand and the Democrats have always vehemently opposed any restrictions whatsoever on a woman’s right to pay someone to kill her child.
 
George_2007 said:
It’s very sickening, and more sickening yet to hear Catholics defend the party on the basis of other social issues. Life of the most innocent vs money for the poor, and they take the money over life.

Say you were protesting at an abortion clinic, and the “doctor” came out and said he will give a million dollars to the poor if you just go away and keep your anti-abortion beliefs to yourself and never protest again. What would you do? How many of you are in effect agreeing to this perverse, Satan-delighting bargain by excusing the Democrat party’s responsibility in the culture of death?
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Excellent point!
 
TheRealJuliane said:
Democrats Promise to Stop Tax-Funded Abortion Ban in Senate

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That’s because they’re Democrats. The Party Platform of the Culture of Death-as a whole.

…and Same-Sex everything. …Animal “Rights.” …Green Stuff. …Rain Forests. …Clubbing Seals. …Saving Whales.

Whoa, but when it comes to the life of a child…no way!

God Bless you.
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Love, Dawn
 
Lest we forget:

*The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. *
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2008 Democrat Party Platform
 
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