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mary_bobo
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Do you have stats to back this up?
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Cat
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I’ve seen plenty of stats over the years from both pro-life and pro-choice camps that indicate that most of the abortions performed in the U.S. are NOT performed on POOR women.
The poor tend to NOT abort. I’ve heard the explanation that many of the poor find abortion morally unacceptable. An abortion will not take away their poverty, it will only take away their child.
If you think otherwise, find some stats to prove that wealth creates less abortions.
The poor tend to NOT abort. I’ve heard the explanation that many of the poor find abortion morally unacceptable. An abortion will not take away their poverty, it will only take away their child.
If you think otherwise, find some stats to prove that wealth creates less abortions.
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aimee
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There isn’t any. Its a common thought among some that its the poor and disadvantage that have abortions…when that is not the case…I’ll even go as far as saying they are more likely to keep their children…Try and find some solid evidence for that claim.
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mary_bobo
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I personally don’t think otherwise. Having spent many years in hospitals, most of which were in OB, what I saw was abortion being used as birth control. And I agree that many people do find abortion an unacceptable alternative. I can’t for the life of me understand how some of our posters can dogmatically make pronouncements and never offer up statistics to prove their allegations. When Dems are in charge, abortions and procedures connected to it are given a pass. They have supported partial birth abortion. Anyone who has ever seen a stillborn at four months, or an aborted fetus at that age cannot possibly think this is anything but murder.I’ve seen plenty of stats over the years from both pro-life and pro-choice camps that indicate that most of the abortions performed in the U.S. are NOT performed on POOR women.
The poor tend to NOT abort. I’ve heard the explanation that many of the poor find abortion morally unacceptable. An abortion will not take away their poverty, it will only take away their child.
If you think otherwise, find some stats to prove that wealth creates less abortions.
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guanophore
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Actually, a woman who has sex outside of marriage drunkenly or not condemns herself by choosing to sin. However it may be that conservatives are more willing to state that she is in sin…Valke-- excellent insight.
Not only that, but religious conservatives sometimes condemn for life a woman for 15 minutes of (perhaps drunken) sex. The social stigma of unwed pregnancy is a contributor to the abortion rate. Not exactly “Christian”, is it?
It is true that there is social stigma for unwed pregnancy, and we all need to work on that. There would be more pregnancies carried to term and put for adoption if mothers got more support. This is the Christian response.
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guanophore
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Yes. The Catholic Church, as well as science, states that human life begins at conception. Most artificial birth controls destroy the fertilized egg, or change the lining of the uterine wall, so that the baby cannot implant. It is the destruction of the zygote, which is taking the life of the child. There are other more heinous methods of birth control, though.IT also means having medical care necessary to bring a baby to term. Do you view someone choosing to use birth control as being on the same moral ground as someone choosing to have an abortion?
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guanophore
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No, but the murder of the child is only one of the problems with contraception. The use of the condom falls more under the undermining of the sacrament of marriage:so to you, a use of a condom = murder?
catholic.com/library/Birth_Control.asp
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guanophore
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Indeed, you speak the truth! I heard on EWTN that at least 30% of Catholics don’t believe abortion is a sin, and that poss. as many as 60% of American Catholics don’t understand or believe why contraception is a problem.Then there are going to be a lot of toasty christians in the hereafter. Either that or people are really, REALLY into water baloon fights.
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guanophore
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So, what are you saying? Since human beings have always behaved in a self centered and godless manner, that this is just “the way it is”? What about what God wants for humanity?How is that different than just pulling out or using the rythm method? In both cases you are still the “arbiter of life”
I see no connection between contraception and Euthanasia. The connection between contraception and abortion is more plausible. But the turth is that as long as there have been women getting pregnant there have been people looking for ways to end pregnacies.
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guanophore
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I can understand and appreciate it, I just hope I never have to be in such a position. I just watched an excellent film called “Out of the Ashes” about a Jewish German gynecologist who was in Auschwitz. On her first day, she learned that pregnant women were taken immediately to the gas chamber. After that, she aborted 1000 women during her stay there, in the hope they could survive, and get pregnant again after they were liberated.And we have not even breached the subject of “Battlefield Euthanasia”
I had to Euthanize three comrades in 1981. I was on a covert mission for Ronald Reagan. The mission went bad for us. There were nine of us. Four of us got shot badly. We were going to be outmanned and out-runned. Only one could be saved. So I had to choose the one that had the best chance of surviving.
The other three, I put a bullet in thier head for a number of reasons, which very few of you could even understand or appreciate.
Since then, I have talked to a number of Battle Medics whom have had to face the same ultimatum.
It never is easy.
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Valke2
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the percentage of poor is not relevant. We can agree that the percentage is not zero. And therefore the argument that healthcare and jobs can cause a decline in abortions is not without merit. Economic reasons are given for 23% of all abortions in the US. In 2000-2001 46% had an abortion because they weren’t using contraception. johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.htmlI’ve seen plenty of stats over the years from both pro-life and pro-choice camps that indicate that most of the abortions performed in the U.S. are NOT performed on POOR women.
The poor tend to NOT abort. I’ve heard the explanation that many of the poor find abortion morally unacceptable. An abortion will not take away their poverty, it will only take away their child.
If you think otherwise, find some stats to prove that wealth creates less abortions.
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dmelosi
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The relevant part of this argument is whether you believe that abortion is murder.the percentage of poor is not relevant. We can agree that the percentage is not zero. And therefore the argument that healthcare and jobs can cause a decline in abortions is not without merit. Economic reasons are given for 23% of all abortions in the US. In 2000-2001 46% had an abortion because they weren’t using contraception. johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
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Valke2
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A total of 861,789 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC for 1999, representing a 2.5% decrease from the 884,273 legal induced abortions reported by the same 48 reporting areas for 1998.
From 1990 through 1997, the number of legal induced abortions gradually declined. In 1998 and in 1999, the number of abortions continued to decrease when comparing the same 48 reporting areas. In 1998, as in previous years, deaths related to legal induced abortions occurred rarely.
The clear majority 78% are from single women. Althought he CDC does not have statistics for the income bracket of women who had abortions, it concludes that a reduction in unintended pregnancy, and thus abortion, will require several complex strategies. … education regarding improved contraceptive use and practices as well as access to and education regarding safe, effective, and affordable contraception and family-planning services might help reduce the incidence of unintended pregnancy and, therefore, might reduce the number of legal induced abortions in the United States."
From 1990 through 1997, the number of legal induced abortions gradually declined. In 1998 and in 1999, the number of abortions continued to decrease when comparing the same 48 reporting areas. In 1998, as in previous years, deaths related to legal induced abortions occurred rarely.
The clear majority 78% are from single women. Althought he CDC does not have statistics for the income bracket of women who had abortions, it concludes that a reduction in unintended pregnancy, and thus abortion, will require several complex strategies. … education regarding improved contraceptive use and practices as well as access to and education regarding safe, effective, and affordable contraception and family-planning services might help reduce the incidence of unintended pregnancy and, therefore, might reduce the number of legal induced abortions in the United States."
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dmelosi
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You never did answer the question whether you truly believe that abortion is murder or now.
A total of 861,789 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC for 1999, representing a 2.5% decrease from the 884,273 legal induced abortions reported by the same 48 reporting areas for 1998.
From 1990 through 1997, the number of legal induced abortions gradually declined. In 1998 and in 1999, the number of abortions continued to decrease when comparing the same 48 reporting areas. In 1998, as in previous years, deaths related to legal induced abortions occurred rarely.
The clear majority 78% are from single women. Althought he CDC does not have statistics for the income bracket of women who had abortions, it concludes that a reduction in unintended pregnancy, and thus abortion, will require several complex strategies. … education regarding improved contraceptive use and practices as well as access to and education regarding safe, effective, and affordable contraception and family-planning services might help reduce the incidence of unintended pregnancy and, therefore, might reduce the number of legal induced abortions in the United States."
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Valke2
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I am against abortion. I don’t believe it is murder.You never did answer the question whether you truly believe that abortion is murder or now.
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dmelosi
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If you don’t call it murder, do you think it is ending a life? What do you call it?I am against abortion. I don’t believe it is murder.
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JoeyWarren
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1.Murder
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
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Valke2
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I’d call it abortion.If you don’t call it murder, do you think it is ending a life? What do you call it?
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2shelbys
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Exactly.There isn’t any. Its a common thought among some that its the poor and disadvantage that have abortions…when that is not the case…I’ll even go as far as saying they are more likely to keep their children…
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Bella3502
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Yes!!!And they outnumber the Pro-choice members, yet there is still no overturning the ruling. So, did some of them lie about their stance so they could get appointed?
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