Hmmm. I know there’s been some possessed. I was hearing it from another source, I had thought it was from this forum. If I find out I will post it here. I know there have been saints that were attacked, everyone is attacked, but I had wondered if any saints had been bonified possessed.I think “possessed” is not the right word but ''attacked". Remember, or keep in mind that this was with God’s permission and it was for a purpose…to deepen their faith and to make the saint more holy and closer to God.
Some saints who were known to have been attacked: St. John Vianney, Padre Pio and St. Gemma Galgani (stgemmagalgani.com/2010/09/attacks-by-demons-was-st-gemma-ever.html) and I am not sure, St. Teresa of Avila. There may be more that I am no aware of.
If you want to read and learn more, get a hold of The Rite by Matt Baglio.
Hi, Littleone…I looked at the section that describes demonic possession in Baglio’s The Rite. From what is described, the attack that some saints (mentioned in my previous post) experienced is a form of demonic possession that God allows for a purpose…a good purpose…it is a test of the person (saint) with a very advanced spiritual life to give their soul sanctifying grace…it is intended to make them more holier and good and to be able to present themselves pure before the Lord.Hmmm. I know there’s been some possessed. I was hearing it from another source, I had thought it was from this forum. If I find out I will post it here. I know there have been saints that were attacked, everyone is attacked, but I had wondered if any saints had been bonified possessed.
Thanks.
God bless.
Pablope,Hi, Littleone…I looked at the section that describes demonic possession in Baglio’s The Rite. From what is described, the attack that some saints (mentioned in my previous post) experienced is a form of demonic possession that God allows for a purpose…a good purpose…it is a test of the person (saint) with a very advanced spiritual life to give their soul sanctifying grace…it is intended to make them more holier and good and to be able to present themselves pure before the Lord.
Hope this helps…God bless…
QUOTE=Little One0307;8010633]Pablope,
I think this is only in cases allowed by God, as in the case of the saints. Some possession are from, from what I learned, from one’s own doing and action…like participating in seances, dealing with the occult that could open the door to demons, etc.Thanks for taking your time in looking that up. It does help. I also read elsewhere in other books that those who are being demon possessed, it does provide them a chance for sanctification and reparation of sins while on the earth, read way to many exorcism related things, what do you think of this?
I would suggest you read the book first. Actually I got hooked on the book when I saw in the books store and went through the prologue. I could not put it down.So is the movie pretty good? I had avoided the book because there was a movie made about it. I may look into getting the book, what I mean is, is there some good stuff in there besides the novel things regarding exorcism? Does it maintain and adhere to the Magesterium of the Church?
Thanks. I just wanted to see what someone who read the book thought, before going and buying the book.
Gob bless too…God bless.
ego boostMy question wasnt addressed to you, or Eangelical Christians for that matter. When I want your fire and brimstone ideas I will ask for them.
There are some people out in the world who have never heard of Jesus.
I know, but for this primary example this person likely has heard of him. Is like the question of what happened to people before the law was given? I think that some dude in the rain forest is in the same boat.
God be the judge.
Those with the holy spirit to guide themHi,
Got a question. Who’s authorized to interpret the Holy Scriptures?
God bless.
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Ahhh nice to see you. I love the name by the way.Those with the holy spirit to guide them
I do not believe that God would purposefully allow Satan’s demons to possess a true christian’s body, for the purpose of making them holier!! First of all, when you try to purify something, you don’t put something dirty in it, say that you had a glass of water, you would not put mud in it to purify it would you??? Satan must have a hold on you to be able to have a demon possess you, such as if you were practicing witchcraft, I do not know whether or not a backslidden Christian could be possessed, but I do know that Satan’s demons, cannot possess true Christians!!!You may want to read The Rite by Matt Baglio.
There are different kinds and levels of possession/obsession.
One kind of possession/obsession explained in the book is one permitted by God. There have been documented instances that this has occurred in the lives of saints. Notably that I am aware of are St. John Vianney, St. Gemma Galgani and Padre Pio.
But the possession is to make them holier and closer to God, and to deepen their faith. If you are not aware, St. Gemma and Padre Pio are Stigmatics, that is they received the wounds of Christ on their bodies.
Then I suggest you study the lives of the saints that have been known to have been attacked by the devil. It is recounted by them. Among the ones I know: St. John Vianney, Padre Pio and St. Gemma Galgani.I do not believe that God would purposefully allow Satan’s demons to possess a true christian’s body, for the purpose of making them holier!! First of all, when you try to purify something, you don’t put something dirty in it, say that you had a glass of water, you would not put mud in it to purify it would you???
John 10:29
May God Bless and Protect You
I do not know whether those saints, were saved or not, but I still hold firm in my belief that God would not allow the Devil to take over a Christian’s body. Refer to the verse I posted!! Why would God allow demons to take over one of his children’s bodies, to purify them, when there are much easier ways to purify a Christian, that do not allow demons to talk through them, and take control. These sites, are some that I found to explain it nicely: cj.myfreeforum.org/archive/spiritual-warfare-scriptures-the-basics__o_t__t_1395.htmlThen I suggest you study the lives of the saints that have been known to have been attacked by the devil. It is recounted by them. Among the ones I know: St. John Vianney, Padre Pio and St. Gemma Galgani.
Here is an excerpt from St. Gemma Galgani:
Excerpts: (stgemmagalgani.com/2010/09/attacks-by-demons-was-st-gemma-ever.html)
Soon after her mystical life began (especially after her miraculous cure and the gift of the stigmata) the Devil, having exhausted all the ordinary means by which he strives to draw and tempt souls away from God, soon came to the attack Gemma in person, and Gemma was called upon to face all the unmasked malignity of the adversary, and face it alone. By the express permission of God, he was allowed to torment her with terrible physical suffering, agonizing headaches which made it almost impossible to pray. “What a torment it is not to be able to pray! What fatigue it costs me. What efforts that wretch makes so that I may be incapable of prayer. Last evening he tried to kill me, and would have done so if Jesus had not come to my aid. I was terrified, but kept the image of Jesus in my mind, although I could not utter His name.”
The Prince of darkness
In a letter to Mgr. Volpi, Gemma writes: “I must I tell you what happened last night. I never went to bed, because the Devil frightened me with his blasphemies, and I thought he was in the room; I could neither sleep nor pray. I did not make my meditation, nor pray from 11am to 12:00. I went to church, but when the time came I felt I could not go to Holy Communion. I came out of the church and I heard the Devil laughing very loudly. I under¬stood why, went back to church again and received Holy Communion. Jesus told me had I not conquered that morning I should never have done so…Yesterday morning my aunt asked me to draw a bucket of water; I filled it and bringing it back had to pass before the picture of the Sacred Heart. I saluted Jesus with these words: ’ Jesus, make haste, give me the grace to be ever united with You, in such a way that I may never be separated from You!’ Just after I had said this I felt a series of sharp blows on my shoulder, so that I fell to the ground, but without breaking anything.”
He appeared to her in all sorts of horrible forms, sometimes as a ferocious dog, at others as some hideous monster or as a giant infuriated with rage. First he would threaten, then fall upon her, beat her, drag her by the hair and torture her in every conceivable way. "Yesterday evening as usual I passed a very bad night. The Devil came before me in the form of a gigantic man, very big and very tall, who kept on beating me all night and repeating: ‘For you there is no hope of salvation. You belong to me.’ I answered: ‘God was very merciful and therefore I feared nothing.’ At this he was so enraged that he struck me a sharp blow on the head, exclaiming: ‘May you be cursed,’ and then he disappeared.
Father Germano adds a personal experience of his own which occurred one night when Gemma was dangerously ill: “On one occasion I was there to assist her as she was in danger of death. While I was sitting in the corner of the room saying my Breviary, suddenly a large dark-coloured ferocious looking cat rushed past me, and after tearing round the room sprang upon the end of the iron bedstead directly in front of the sick girl and fixed its savage eyes upon her. I felt my blood freeze in my veins, but Gemma remained perfectly calm. Trying to hide my agitation, I said, 'What is the matter? ’ And she replied: ‘My father do not be afraid, it is this hateful demon who wants to annoy me, but do not be afraid, he will not harm you.’ Trembling, I approached with holy water and sprinkled it upon the bed and the vision vanished, leaving her as tranquil as if nothing had happened.”
As the Auxiliary Bishop of Lucca, Monsignor Volpi was very well educated, and was esteemed by many for his devotion to God and His Church. But why would he not give Gemma an exorcism since she repeatedly requested it? It is more than likely because as her confessor since childhood, he knew that Gemma had always sought God with all her heart, and was in a state of grace, so surely he felt that an exorcism was not necessary, as her will was most certainly turned towards God, and not the devil. And by that time the attacks of the devil upon Gemma where nothing new to Monsignor Volpi, and he knew from experience how Gemma always triumphed over the attacks through prayer, and her love and trust in Jesus and the blessed Virgin. By then he knew that Gemma was possessed by God, and not the demons, and the only thing the devil could really do against her was to oppress her make her suffer—and this was something that the devil never seemed to tire in doing.
There is however, a belief among certain exorcists and theologians that God will allow certain victim souls such as Gemma to actually become possessed, so that the battle for the conversion of sinners actually takes place within them. Thus they [the victim souls] become the “stakes” in the battle. There is one old booklet in particular, published in the early 1900’s and written by a very experienced exorcist of 30 years that delves very deeply into this idea. The name of the booklet is “Mary Crushes the Serpent” and I have written an article about it (Click here).
They are canonized saints, so they are in heaven.QUOTE=Jon Leveille;8027525]I do not know whether those saints, were saved or not,
Did you read my posts? I had posted the answer. From my last post:but I still hold firm in my belief that God would not allow the Devil to take over a Christian’s body.
Sorry, which verse and post?fer to the verse I posted!!
God has a purpose, as previously explained.Why would God allow demons to take over one of his children’s bodies, to purify them,
Why are you questioning God’s method? Are you above God? More wiser and have more wisdom than Him, that you know more than Him that you would tell Him how to do His work?when there are much easier ways to purify a Christian, that do not allow demons to talk through them, and take control.
These sites, are some that I found to explain it nicely: cj.myfreeforum.org/archive/spiritual-warfare-scriptures-the-basics__o_t__t_1395.html
letusreason.org/Pent24.htm
Thanks but no thanks. I would rather believe an institution that has been exorcising and dealing and fighting the devil since the time of the Apostles, that has a rich history and experience in such matters, and continues so to this day.
So, which would you rather believe? The Church or those sites that try to explain it away?
See this video, it is the real story behind or event where the 1973 move The Exorcist was based from:
It is cut into 4 parts. Part 4 is particularly chilling. After watching it, answer this: Why did the Lutheran go to the Catholic Church for assistance?
And if you still do not believe…
My challenge to you…to see is to believe, right…so why don’t you invite the devil to possess you, open yourself to him and experience for yourself, that way, you can determine the truth.
Then you can write and tell us about it.
Man cannot say who will and will not be in heaven, no man knows for sure if another person has been saved. You can be pretty sure, but you cannot KNOW for certain. God decides who will be in heaven, not men, it does not matter who the man is, he cannot save another person.They are canonized saints, so they are in heaven.
Did you read my posts? I had posted the answer. From my last post:
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There is however, a belief among certain exorcists and theologians that God will allow certain victim souls such as Gemma to actually become possessed, so that the battle for the conversion of sinners actually takes place within them. Thus they [the victim souls] become the “stakes” in the battle. There is one old booklet in particular, published in the early 1900’s and written by a very experienced exorcist of 30 years that delves very deeply into this idea. The name of the booklet is “Mary Crushes the Serpent” and I have written an article about it (Click here).[/SIGN]
What do you mean by “the battle for the conversion of sinners”, and “they become the stakes in the battle”???This is testimony from exorcists themselves, who had dealt and fought the devil and you still would not believe them?
John 10:29Sorry, which verse and post?
God has a purpose, as previously explained.
Why are you questioning God’s method? Are you above God? More wiser and have more wisdom than Him, that you know more than Him that you would tell Him how to do His work?
Could you elaborate on that purpose???Is salvation supposed to be easy? Or is it to worked out “with fear and trembling”?
Thanks but no thanks. I would rather believe an institution that has been exorcising and dealing and fighting the devil since the time of the Apostles, that has a rich history and experience in such matters, and continues so to this day.
So, which would you rather believe? The Church or those sites that try to explain it away?
See this video, it is the real story behind or event where the 1973 move The Exorcist was based from: youtube.com/watch?v=dDgoNlOn-hk
Matthew 7:13It is cut into 4 parts. Part 4 is particularly chilling. After watching it, answer this: Why did the Lutheran go to the Catholic Church for assistance?
And if you still do not believe…
My challenge to you…to see is to believe, right…so why don’t you invite the devil to possess you, open yourself to him and experience for yourself, that way, you can determine the truth.
A true Christian would neither ask another Christian to ask Satan into his heart, nor do it himself. Asking Satan into your heart, is just asking for trouble, whether he can possess it or not.Then you can write and tell us about it.
Man cannot say who will and will not be in heaven, no man knows for sure if another person has been saved. You can be pretty sure, but you cannot KNOW for certain. God decides who will be in heaven, not men, it does not matter who the man is, he cannot save another person.
I think you are miscontruing what I am saying. We cannot know God’s judgement at time of death. But after one’s judgement, through discernment and the canonization process, the Church can be fairly certain if the person is in heaven or not. I suggest you investigate further the canonization process.
What do you mean by “the battle for the conversion of sinners”, and “they become the stakes in the battle”???
Also as I just said, no man, exorcist or not, can tell whether someone is saved!!
Jon…just additional thoughts…when I challenged you, I expected you to reject it and with your response…because, in the back of your mind, the possibility exists for a demon to possess a Christian. Otherwise, you would have gladly taken the challenge. But you did not.Man cannot say who will and will not be in heaven, no man knows for sure if another person has been saved. You can be pretty sure, but you cannot KNOW for certain. God decides who will be in heaven, not men, it does not matter who the man is, he cannot save another person.
A true Christian would neither ask another Christian to ask Satan into his heart, nor do it himself. Asking Satan into your heart, is just asking for trouble, whether he can possess it or not.
May The Lord Bless and Protect You
I know that you expected me not to ask the Devil into my heart, but what if I had??? I know that the Devil could not possess me, but asking him to, could give him power of me that I would definitely not want him to have!!!Jon…just additional thoughts…when I challenged you, I expected you to reject it and with your response…because, in the back of your mind, the possibility exists for a demon to possess a Christian. Otherwise, you would have gladly taken the challenge. But you did not.
Have a nice day.
I think you are miscontruing what I am saying. We cannot know God’s judgement at time of death. But after one’s judgement, through discernment and the canonization process, the Church can be fairly certain if the person is in heaven or not. I suggest you investigate further the canonization process.
I think I answered this already.