Demonic strategy

[FaithInTheSon]

Many people (with good reason) believe some demons are territorial. They seem to believe that most of the time people blame everyday things on demons, and they are not actually dealing with them.
I would just like to point a few things out. If you really believe the demons exist then you must draw some conclusions:

1. They are very smart, because they are fallen angels (depends on definition of smart but you get the point). Angels are smarter than us.
2. It is more beneficial to them for them to try to hide their influence. If you were a demon, wouldn’t you chose to attack when someone is intoxicated/stressed out/ going through a recovery period from a traumatic experience that way your influence is not suspected? They are smarter than you so why would you think… you get the idea.
3. They are influencing people that you know personally. What kind of numbers must we be dealing with if our Lord pulled 2,000 out of one person? They are a legion. A demon said this to our Lord in the Gospel.
   4.It is wise to consider the possibility of their influence in all things, especially the Church. Many Catholics do not and take anything their priest tells them as law.
4. A demon could be influencing a priest at any time (They talked through even St. Peter!). This is most likely why you see a large number of people within the Church falling victim to false teaching. It is not the Church’s teachings that are wrong, it is the way they are being applied.
5. With these things in mind, priests need to be taking active steps to prevent and counter their influence not ignore it completely (which many of them do).

It seems that many Christians (Catholics included) seem to think that demon’s are anything other than literal conscious beings. I don’t have any words for that, it is pointless to try. If they won’t believe the Gospel they just won’t.
For the rest of us, why are more counter-measures not being implemented?
With these things in mind, why do people seem to think skepticism in each individual case is the best approach? The demons are smarter than us and actively trying to hide their influence. Odds are, unless they manifest and/or possess someone we won’t be able to 100% know the difference

Which leads me to territory. The most common times people talk about demons manifesting it seems like they are trying to make us think they are territorial. I’m not sure why they would make the strategical error of manifesting just to make us think that. It might be to try to instill fear I guess…But that would be counter-productive to their agenda.

If they really are just territorial, it could potentially explain why they tend to manifest more often in those situations. I just can’t see them being that… trivial?

Also, I don’t want to make anyone paranoid and make them think demons are to blame for everything that goes wrong. I think under reacting could be just as bad as over reacting though.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Also, I don’t want to make anyone paranoid and make them think demons are to blame for everything that goes wrong. I think under reacting could be just as bad as over reacting though.

I don’t want to sound freaky either. But there are some things that seem evident.

I like the way you are looking at this. I was also able to conquer some of my own demons, by modeling, analyzing, and testing them as if they were computer programs running in my brain. I’ve never written about it, so I don’t know how to describe most of it, right offhand. I got the idea from “daemons” which is a computer term for programs – usually I think of small ones that give a machine its behavior characteristics. Windows has gazillions of them running around – that’s why it’s complicated and sometimes buggy.

Actually I like to talk about demons in a sterile, academic way because then they can’t yank my strings while I’m doing so.

The thing about “demons” is they get around in the subconscious mind and give us emotional and mental reflexes we didn’t know we had, and don’t know where they come from. They interact in various ways that complicate identifying any particular one. You can even tentatively name them, but they may not answer to that name or behave the way you’d expect. For example, one that is closely related to “lust” may at first appear to be something else, such as “gluttony.” (I’m not saying those are demon names, but I’m using as example.) Both cause excesses in material things, but they have some slightly different characteristics. So I think to really be a demon slayer you have to be very honest and open with yourself about your own sinfulness. Easier said than done, but once done it seems stupidly easy to have done it. :knight2:

Alan

 

[FaithInTheSon]

I don’t want to sound freaky either. But there are some things that seem evident.

I like the way you are looking at this. I was also able to conquer some of my own demons, by modeling, analyzing, and testing them as if they were computer programs running in my brain. I’ve never written about it, so I don’t know how to describe most of it, right offhand. I got the idea from “daemons” which is a computer term for programs – usually I think of small ones that give a machine its behavior characteristics. Windows has gazillions of them running around – that’s why it’s complicated and sometimes buggy.

Actually I like to talk about demons in a sterile, academic way because then they can’t yank my strings while I’m doing so.

The thing about “demons” is they get around in the subconscious mind and give us emotional and mental reflexes we didn’t know we had, and don’t know where they come from. They interact in various ways that complicate identifying any particular one. You can even tentatively name them, but they may not answer to that name or behave the way you’d expect. For example, one that is closely related to “lust” may at first appear to be something else, such as “gluttony.” (I’m not saying those are demon names, but I’m using as example.) Both cause excesses in material things, but they have some slightly different characteristics. So I think to really be a demon slayer you have to be very honest and open with yourself about your own sinfulness. Easier said than done, but once done it seems stupidly easy to have done it. :knight2:

Alan

I would agree on most things here. I never try to call them by name because, as you said, you don’t know what your really dealing with. They are not always named after sins either. I’m not positive if they ever are or not actually. There is a lot of misinformation out there.

When you speak of analyzing like a computer program. Very well put. To know what they are trying to plant in your mind you must be very open with yourself and analyze your thoughts and sins.

The thought is not the demon though, you are not talking about slaying demons. You are talking about destroying evil seeds that have been planted in your mind.

I like talking about them in a academic way because it may provide an advantage. Your statement seems prideful.They can yank your chains while you do it. You must be vigilant always. They are aware if you are more aware of them than others, at the same time they can’t do anything our Lord decides to stop them from doing.

 

[FaithInTheSon]

Are you the one who was an engineer? I think I may have read your story.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I would agree on most things here. I never try to call them by name because, as you said, you don’t know what your really dealing with. They are not always named after sins either. I’m not positive if they ever are or not actually. There is a lot of misinformation out there.

Yes, I don’t usually use names either, but every now and then I do solely for my reference. I never “assume” the same demon would be named or behave the same way for somebody else. And I agree, I think some demons aren’t even all that destructive if you can get them aligned with something positive – it worked for me anyway.

The thought is not the demon though, you are not talking about slaying demons. You are talking about destroying evil seeds that have been planted in your mind.

I see, so you see the thoughts as seeds. I would see demons as ones who use the seeds to try to grow something out of it. Maybe. I’m thinking one advantage to calling them seeds rather than demons is to acknowledge they have no life of their own?

Your statement seems prideful.They can yank your chains while you do it. You must be vigilant always. They are aware if you are more aware of them than others, at the same time they can’t do anything our Lord decides to stop them from doing.

Good catch. The way I worded it did sound prideful. By “academic” I meant more like “sterile – devoid of feelings” and not so much “intellectual.”

Alan

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Are you the one who was an engineer? I think I may have read your story.

Yes.

 

[FaithInTheSon]

I would agree on most things here. I never try to call them by name because, as you said, you don’t know what your really dealing with. They are not always named after sins either. I’m not positive if they ever are or not actually. There is a lot of misinformation out there.

When you speak of analyzing like a computer program. Very well put. To know what they are trying to plant in your mind you must be very open with yourself and analyze your thoughts and sins.

The thought is not the demon though, you are not talking about slaying demons. You are talking about destroying evil seeds that have been planted in your mind.

I like talking about them in a academic way because it may provide an advantage. Your statement seems prideful.They can yank your chains while you do it. You must be vigilant always. They are aware if you are more aware of them than others, at the same time they can’t do anything our Lord decides to stop them from doing.

Looking back on this, it might be concluded pride is working in me, too. I assume I can gain any advantage over them without drawing closer to the Lord. I need to think about this.

 

[FaithInTheSon]

Yes, I don’t usually use names either, but every now and then I do solely for my reference. I never “assume” the same demon would be named or behave the same way for somebody else. And I agree, I think some demons aren’t even all that destructive if you can get them aligned with something positive – it worked for me anyway.

I see, so you see the thoughts as seeds. I would see demons as ones who use the seeds to try to grow something out of it. Maybe. I’m thinking one advantage to calling them seeds rather than demons is to acknowledge they have no life of their own?

Good catch. The way I worded it did sound prideful. By “academic” I meant more like “sterile – devoid of feelings” and not so much “intellectual.”

Alan

That is a good plan, except you are categorizing the seeds not the demons.

Do not align them with anything positive. This is compromising with the demon. This is a serious strategical error.

The evil seeds do not have a life of their own. They are dead in the purest since of the word. Through the seeds our Lord has planted in us, we find eternal LIFE. Through the seeds that Satan plants, we find death.

It is not the use of the word academic I was referring to. It was in saying that you could not be influenced by them while talking in such a manner, that you were prideful.

 

[FaithInTheSon]

It’s funny how that works. I have just learned that it is good to think about this strategically in addition to drawing closer to the Lord. It is not prideful to think it would be beneficial. Thank you! You have helped me more than you know.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

It is not the use of the word academic I was referring to. It was in saying that you could not be influenced by them while talking in such a manner, that you were prideful.

I see. Perhaps we could open it wide up and I could just accept a general warning to be careful that I do not be overly confident on emotional posturing. If I do that, then I can use emotional posturing, such as feigning a particular affectation (-- “neutral” being one of them among those I just named --) but do not assume the richness of the demonic response will be reduced or even colored the way I’m hoping for it to be. Does that make sense?

Alan

 

[AlanFromWichita]

It’s funny how that works. I have just learned that it is good to think about this strategically in addition to drawing closer to the Lord. It is not prideful to think it would be beneficial. Thank you! You have helped me more than you know.

You’ve made my day. I can’t tell you how much I’ve wanted to “talk turkey” as fast as my fingers could joyfully fly!

I actually used my structured thoughts to instruct my subconscious through prayer/self talk, so that it would empirically find solutions to the affective problems I posed for it to handle. I did this by careful observation of shifts in mood, and the characteristic accidents that accompanied such shifts. For a long time I tried to understand it, until I got more confident and then just told my subconscious the goal and let it go to work for me instead of just containing a bunch of disparate responses to all the things we’ve been trained over our lives – the basic schizophrenic state that society would have us in by its training up of youth. For example, if I wanted to be like a professor I could say, “mind, you feel better now than you did ten seconds ago, and in the same environment. Get me that on demand, or better yet run it on auto.” A similar version like a prayer would be, “Lord, please help free me from the ties I have to these worldly stimuli”

Here’s some of what drives me:

John 14:12
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes in me will do the works that I do, and will do greater ones than these, because I am going to the Father.

Gosh, how could we do that? Hmmm… what if Jesus had Internet?

Luke 10:2
He said to them, “The harvest is abundant but the laborers are few; so ask the master of the harvest to send out laborers for his harvest."

I take this very seriously. I wish to be a laborer for this harvest, and to also help recruit other laborers so we can rally until we reach critical mass.

Alan

 

[Carolus_Martell]

As an aside Perry Stone’s televised ministry ‘Manna Fest’ had a good show on demons earlier tonight. My Mother always said if you can …ignore all spirits absolutely completely and they will move on.

Back in the day Jesus exorcised so many spirits because many people still engaged in idol worship like baal for instance. Those false gods would grant favors…at a price.

That’s why the 1st commandment is first the one true loving God we all love and adore did not what to see his beloved people harmed by demons.

 

[IBombAtomically]

Can you explain a little further what you mean by “territorial?”

 

[FaithInTheSon]

As an aside Perry Stone’s televised ministry ‘Manna Fest’ had a good show on demons earlier tonight. My Mother always said if you can …ignore all spirits absolutely completely and they will move on.

Back in the day Jesus exorcised so many spirits because many people still engaged in idol worship like baal for instance. Those false gods would grant favors…at a price.

That’s why the 1st commandment is first the one true loving God we all love and adore did not what to see his beloved people harmed by demons.

What makes you think that?

1. What makes you think worshiping idols is not still a root cause of evil in the world?
2. What makes you think demon’s like baal no longer “grant favors” in exchange for acts of worship?

Nothing I said contradicted the 1st commandment. Who said He wants to see us harmed by demons?

I’m not sure of what you are trying to imply here.

 

[FaithInTheSon]

Can you explain a little further what you mean by “territorial?”

As in dwell in a building or a car or any measurable amount of 3 dimensional space, and try to scare people off and/or torment any who go there.
I believe this is probably false and a trick. Why would they risk the manifestation? They are not stupid.

If people become too afraid of demons they are more likely to turn to God. The demons know this. That makes manifestation counter-productive to their agenda. Unless they are trying to instill fear, and it is as basic as that. Either way, this seems to contradict what we know about them.

 

[FaithInTheSon]

You’ve made my day. I can’t tell you how much I’ve wanted to “talk turkey” as fast as my fingers could joyfully fly!

I actually used my structured thoughts to instruct my subconscious through prayer/self talk, so that it would empirically find solutions to the affective problems I posed for it to handle. I did this by careful observation of shifts in mood, and the characteristic accidents that accompanied such shifts. For a long time I tried to understand it, until I got more confident and then just told my subconscious the goal and let it go to work for me instead of just containing a bunch of disparate responses to all the things we’ve been trained over our lives – the basic schizophrenic state that society would have us in by its training up of youth. For example, if I wanted to be like a professor I could say, “mind, you feel better now than you did ten seconds ago, and in the same environment. Get me that on demand, or better yet run it on auto.” A similar version like a prayer would be, “Lord, please help free me from the ties I have to these worldly stimuli”

Here’s some of what drives me:

John 14:12
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes in me will do the works that I do, and will do greater ones than these, because I am going to the Father.

Gosh, how could we do that? Hmmm… what if Jesus had Internet?

Luke 10:2
He said to them, “The harvest is abundant but the laborers are few; so ask the master of the harvest to send out laborers for his harvest."

I take this very seriously. I wish to be a laborer for this harvest, and to also help recruit other laborers so we can rally until we reach critical mass.

Alan

I really do enjoy your posts. One thing I should point out. Do not confuse self-talk with prayer. They are VERY different. Also if you are able to set your sub-conscious on auto-pilot as you describe, make sure it is exclusively conforming with God’s will, and not a compromise with a bad seed. It concerns me that you may have automated yourself to try to merge the bad with the good, which is not what you want. That is a short-cut that Satan wants you to take. This will allow, if I can put it in your terms, a trojan horse your enter your “system”. You will not know it is there, and it will appear benevolent(Satan appears as the “angel of light”). You will have to apply anti-virus (scripture) to every file in your system (every aspect of your memories and thought process) to be sure this did not take place. Even then be careful, because sometimes you are dealing with a “smart-virus” (higher ranking demon) that will try to circumvent these countermeasures in very subtle and cunning ways.

EDIT: When I say smart virus - I mean a “better hacker” in terms of this analogy. The demons would be the hackers, the viruses would be the seeds they plant.

 

[FaithInTheSon]

Another thing that concerns me. You see an undue need to surpass our Lord in terms of spreading of the word of God. We will never do greater works in terms of salvation than our Lord, as a servant can never be more than his master.

Remember that words can be deceiving, and the deceiver will use this against you.

Be careful. I see at the very least left over effects of demonic activity still in you. Apply anti-virus (scripture). One thing that is the mark of Satan’s influence is contradicting scripture with scripture. Scripture NEVER contradicts scripture as all of God’s words ARE true. They (demons) put your mind in loops that you have to train your sub-conscience to break out of through actively doing it all the time in your conscious mind.

I am not saying you are on the wrong track. I am saying there are left over effects from what I can see.

 

[MtnDwellar]

Why would they risk the manifestation? They are not stupid.

You have answered your own question. The demons are not stupid. What some people forget is that the demons are not in control. God is in control. People sometimes mistake manifestations for attacks. The manifestation is not the attack. The demons prefer to remain hidden. They are compelled by a higher authority to manifest.

 

[FaithInTheSon]

You have answered your own question. The demons are not stupid. What some people forget is that the demons are not in control. God is in control. People sometimes mistake manifestations for attacks. The manifestation is not the attack. The demons prefer to remain hidden. They are compelled by a higher authority to manifest.

I have never put enough thought into this if I ever considered it at all. I wonder if that is pride working in me. It could go either way logically from what I can see right now. Pride could cause them to manifest depending on the situation would you agree? Do you have anything to support this?

 

[FaithInTheSon]

Also, while God is the one really in control He has left them here to tempt us. They do still have free-will (to an extent) until the time, when they will be tormented.